Javelin

A small update. Started the forward gantry, which is also the limit of my intended bottleneck. I also started the superstructures. However I'm stuck with a semi-finished deck. I can't mount the main deck yet, since I'd need to paint and add additional detail below it. I therefore shaped it a little oversize and keep it in place centered on 2 pins to proceed with further structures. It does mean I can't really mount anything yet. All is dry fit for now. The horizontal part of the gantry is a bit thin and "light", so I'll lower the main verticals and add a thicker and better shaped top part. The ladder underwater is supported by this gantry, so I'll need to make rigging between those two parts. I intend to make that rigging fixed, then hinge the ladder in upper position to insert it into the bottle, then extend it down again once in the bottle, where it will act as the second support. As you can see, I now use a laundry pin to keep the ladder from slipping forward and the ship from leaning over. I intend to glue a fixed piece of styrene to hold that ladder in place and cover that with sand to hide it. The last pic shows the main spud in normal sailing position, this is however just for the placement of the details. I will be displaying the spuds upright.

Hi all, Although the Sea Installer isn't quite fully completed yet, circumstances don't allow me to continue on that build. I'm currently restricted to a "mobile modelling set" consisting of scraps of styrene, a couple of knives, files, drills and pliers, so bear with me on my next venture. This time I'm going for the Cutter Suction Dredger Spartacus. The most powerful one of its kind. Practically a big underwater rock drill. It's mainly used to deepen ports or build new ports in harder soil types, where "regular" trailing suction hopper dredgers (TSHD's) can't do the job or where very large volumes of sand need to be dredged to build up new port areas. It's probably the most complex vessel I've ever tackled as a modelling subject and this is also partly the reason I'm going to try to put it in a bottle. In my regular larger scales 1/400 or 1/700, it would become such a long build that I'm unlikely to ever finish it. The tiny 1/2000 scale allows me to leave at least some of the extensive details off. Getting it into a bottle is of course a challenge by itself. I'm not going to "just put it in", I'll be showing it doing one of its operations underwater. I don't have a bottle for it yet, but I'm using the dimensions of the Sea Installer bottle for my reference and design ideas. Here is the website of the beast itself (yes, it even has a website😁): CSD Spartacus I would like to display her when installing/moving her anchors. One anchor hanging free, the other on the bottom along with the cutter ladder (center part supporting the big drill) Spartacus project Overall I'll go for a similar look as Sea Installer, having a bottom part at the bottom of the bottle, with epoxy for the water layer. I will however try to cover the sand with a tiny layer of liquid acrylic gel, hoping to make a smooth transition and either expel or trap any air bubbles before putting epoxy inside. Initial idea is to mount the whole thing on a base plate, which will hold the spud pole aft of the vessel and the cutter ladder forward of the vessel. I would then cover that plate with sand-acrylic mixture and insert it without the spud pole. I will insert it into a sand-acrylic mixture in the bottle to make it blend in. I will then try to mount the lower part of that spud pole in a pre-drilled hole in the plate, so I'm sure it'll stand upright and is held firm. Afterwards I'll mount the ship on top of that spud pole. The hull normally fits into a bottleneck, however, due to the square section of the vessel and its superstructure, I'll need to mount a couple of things separately and other will have to rotate etc. Hopefully an interesting process. Initial effort and size. Start of hull build-up: As you probably noticed, that is one hell of a complex hull. Splitting it could make things a lot easier, but that's not an option here, as the central cutter ladder will have to hinge (insert in bottleneck in "seagoing position" and then lowered to the bottom) and is hanging by wires on the huge forward gantry. I will have to make those in 1 part to make that work. Below is the hinge part for the rudimentary ladder. One 1mm layer is below that to hold it in place. And here is where I currently am. The lower layer in place, but not glued. Since I don't have any paint in my mobile set, I've decided to make a decision I don't like. The ladder needs to be painted before I insert it, however I don't want to wait to continue the hull until I have paint available. I will therefore cut small pieces from the bottom plate, so I can mount that bottom plate, sand and shape the hull, and insert the ladder hinges and the cut out pieces afterwards. I admit this project may be over ambitious considering the amount of detail and rigging all around the vessel and my lack of experience in this tiny scale. It may turn out impossible, but we'll see where it goes.

Thanks Auger, your opinion is much appreciated as I, myself, am also still undecided. The hub is heavy, and does draw a lot of attention away from the model. I might go the middle road, keeping the stand, but leaving off the hub. I'll perhaps put the model's details (vessel name and scale) on the front of the stand later on. In any case I'll attempt to complete the hub.

More lanterning, the matt black background is part of the colregs nowadays. It's obligatory to avoid reflections, which would then ruin the angles of the lights. Not sure since when this was part of colregs.

I slowly continued work. Built the base, as this would give a better view on the complete picture. It's built up of a skeleton of styrene ribs using 2mm and 1.5mm thickness. This skeleton was mounted on a base plate and later on a 0.5mm thick sheet was wrapper around that. I first made a paper template for that sleeve. I broadened the initial design a bit, to give more support. The heavy glass bottom plate of the bottle is somewhat compensated by the weight of the hub, so the base can be placed more forward on the bottle. The hub was then further built up with the cylindrical holes and yesterday with two-component epoxy filler. Unfortunately I ran out of filler in the end (the positive side of this, is that for the first time in ages I actually used up a package of this filler before it turned bad 😁). Next up is the first sanding and then I'll order new filler and touch-up (and complete), the filler layer where necessary. After the sanding I'll see if I use a coat of spray filler or just go for regular primer followed by satin white. As I'm going into a busy period, this will go in hibernation for a while. In below picture you can see something I didn't pay enough attention to. Through the hole you can see a rather large piece of the rib around the bottle neck. I wish I had made those ribs less sturdy and visible. Since they are 2mm thick, it's a bit late to decently correct that. On the positive side, I dropped the hub on the floor during filling and it didn't have a scratch...

Thanks for the likes. Here's an update on the project. Reached a major milestone now. So the "hub" is progressing. Here you can see the blade entrance holes in place. I'll build up a cylindrical edge from the hole in this straight plate outwards. I will then continue filling some spaces with scrap styrene in order to use less filler. Eventually I'll add the filler and sand it to shape. Here is the inside, which tightly fits around the bottle cap, with the three "light holes" visible. Not entirely convinced of the size though. The hub looks a little too large. It looked ok on my drawing, but then the bottle I drew was actually too long compared to the real one. Somewhat afraid the hub will take too much attention... On the other side, I did decide to complete it, if not for this project, perhaps I'll use it on another in the future. Too much fun not to complete it. And then the milestone, I completed the model itself. In the above picture you could already see I poured the epoxy. After some minor setbacks, like losing one of the small blue cranes etc. I did manage to complete it. I was not very happy with the crane missing hooks and I tested some CA on the small threads, but none wanted to stay straight. Eventually I decided to put the hooks in the uppermost position, basically on the boom itself. At least it's something... The etched sign on the back is not very visible on the pics with a white background, so I'll take some with a better background later on. Time to continue the hub and the support now.

Thanks guys, I've needed to fix those issues, since I did see them. This was in itself quite a challenge. As I feared the accomodation block was indeed loose. Luckily I noticed it and I could remove it without any damage (but indeed no marks of glue on deck, so it didn't sit properly). During handling for twisting that leg, she toppled over, luckily without much damage. Only the wobbly crane was loose, I left it where it was, since there was no real damage. After a lot of effort I did succeed in getting that foot twisted in the right direction. I then put the vessel in my preferred position. I then viewed from the top and marked out the position of the four legs with a removable black marker on top of the bottle. I then moved her out of the way (as far as possible) and put some acrylic-sand mixture straight below those black markings. I then placed the vessel back in position so all 4 feet rested on the drops of mixture. During that manipulation, she toppled again, falling on the gel mixture. Luckily not much was on the vessel and I tried to scrape some off with a piece of brass wire (handy tool really). I also placed the monopile next to the vessel using the same acrylic mixture. After drying I noticed some gaps underneath both portside feet, so I went in again with the angled brass wire tool with additional drops of acrylic-sand to fill up those gaps as much as possible. She's now quite steady, but I want to steady her out further with epoxy before trying to fix the crane and accomodation. At the same time I did some epoxy testing and I've started on the proposed hub. You can see the bottle cap inside the styrene cover (not glued). The initial idea was to cover this with 0.5mm sheet following templates between each set of ribs. Then it dawned on me that you can't bend a surface in two directions at once. So I'm working in basically the same way as I do for hulls, filling up the ribs as much as I can with styrene and then I'll cover it with Milliput. This way will also be easier to get the holes correctly. The "ribs" aren't evenly spaced as I have made 3 wider openings for the holes. That's also the reason there are more ribs. I wanted to just have 4, but with 3 evenly spaced holes, I'd always have interference of at least 1 hole with a rib. So I decided to go for 6 and space them around my planned holes. Here is a picture of the test bottle with epoxy. I also added the Uni Caenis and Uni 8/0 to the mix, to see if they weren't going to be eaten by the epoxy and to see what they would look like in epoxy. The colour is a bit too bright, so I'll add a drop of pigment more.

Hi guys, thanks for the all encouragement. Considering point A and B, I knew what to do first! Fix those legs. I used a 0.3mm copper wire pin through a 0.5mm hole, in order to avoid pushing too hard on those tiny legs. This time around, I enlarged one hole to 0.6mm, so I could insert the pin easily in that one. I then used my tweezers on both sides of the hinge to push the pin through. This way the pin is really squeezed in the remaining 0.5mm holes and stuck, even without glue. It wasn't what I call a walk in the park, but at least it went better. Some remaining issues though. 1 is the starboard aft leg is twisted, you can see the foot pointing sideways. the reason is of course the dangly-leg-syndrome. Since the legs rotate when bent, they are rotated when deploying as well. I thought it would be easy to fix that, but somehow it really doesn't want to rotate anymore. Of course it doesn't help that the vessel is still not fixed, on the other side, once it is fixed, the leg is difficult to reach, since the front leg is in the way... Another issue appears to be the accomodation. It went on quite well, going in sideways, turning around onside the bottle, but then it seemed like it didn't really sit down on the hull, the glue didn't catch either. So I'll have to remove it again and fix in back once the ship is fixed inside. The bottom isn't really flat with all the sand and edges, so she's quite prone to topple over when moving around inside the bottle. In the end, she's at least inside that bottle. This time there is no real way back except breaking the bottle...

Gorgeous model Keith, we don't get nearly enough models to see of this type of vessel! I also noticed a great improvement in your way of taking pictures throughout your build.

Thanks Glen, good to know about the brake cleaner. So, attempt 1 (you know what that means...) First part in the bottle (still yay) Second part attached to first part pretty well, resulting in leg-spaghetti though... No stress though, insert my "spoon" tool underneath and deploy legs by using a small 0.8mm hook made of wire. As you can see in the bottom of the picture, one leg detached. The pin flew out of the hinge, I assume by filing the legs a bit thinner in that part, I probably took off the glue with which it was glued inside... Well, we'll fix that right? Right? Let's continue and fix it later with the long tweezers. That's where the second leg came off. I tried to push down the hull with 3 legs deployed, but somehow the aft one got blocked. After several attempts, the leg detached. I assume the blocking was on a partly detached pin, since there is nearly no clearance between the leg and the "sleeve" in the hull. Luckily I had the presence of mind to take out the crane and split the hull again by putting the tweezer tip between the leg casings forward and aft and pushing it open. The glue hadn't set (that's exactly why I didn't use CA, but using the normal plastic glue instead). I could take out both parts of the hull with only minor damage (one small detail came off, but I could still use it. Conclusion of the ordeal: A. Those pins are a problem B. Those pins are a problem C. Tweezers are ok, but if your ship is not centered in front of the bottleneck, they are much less useful. Under some angles, they block and you cannot open them. You can also rotate, but not move up or down anymore under certain angles. "Fixing" that one leg when it came off, would probably have been a very difficult task if those 3 other legs had deployed properly. D. Whatever sequence I use in the future, I will try to fix the ship in place as soon as possible before continuing any additional construction. Working with 2 tools through the neck is possible, but difficult nonetheless. E. Whenever things go wrong, try to get back to start, don't push ahead

Time for the last preparations for bottling. I did a test with the hull parts to see if my sequence was feasible without too many damages to my detailed model. I used my opened-up test bottle for that. I had some issues with the dangly legs, they'd tangle a lot and weren't sliding in their sleeves too well. I made some adjustment to those parts of the legs with a file for easier deployment. Next up were the Voight Schneider propellers. Basically horizontal paddle wheels. This ship has 3 of them. I used some fine Evergreen strip, cut up and glued to a 1mm central hub/disk. The brown part on the masking tape is the central disk, the small strips were cut to size after lining up on masking tape. Here is one of the VS props assembled. When the glue was dry, I pried it off the tape by simply inserting my tweezers under the tip, this lifted the edges of the prop free and I insert my knife tip underneath to pry it loose without damage. I made the separately because I was affraid of handling the model if I were to glue the strips separately on the model. Once they were assembled, I glued them on the disks that were inserted in the hull at the start of construction. Time for bottling, epoxy testing and developing that hub for the bottle (yes, I did decide to give it a try). One question for @Glen McGuire, do you reuse your hose and funnel for pouring the epoxy, or do you use a new one each time?

Great job Glen, love the water effect and a funny solution for the water coming out of the bottle! The water and waves appear in scale with you Kraken, which is not an easy thing to accomplish 👍

So I did get my etching cream already, so I did a test. Went nicely, now we have a DEME pot of carrots. Unfortunately, the actual etch went wrong (somewhat). You can see the mask on the bottle in following picture. However, it didn't want to straighten out, which, with a mask from the same material, it did perfectly with the pot of carrots. I believe the bottle isn't as smooth or straight as it's supposed to be. So the mask in the picture was discarded, since I didn't want to take any risk. I made another one, stuck it to the bottle with more success, it still wrinkles, but they were located outwards of the logo. During etching however, one of those wrinkles spread out towards the logo, my conclusion is that the vinyl I used, is probably to stiff for this application. If it would have been more flexible, it wouldn't have straightened during etching... All in all there was only a small bleed and since it's in the back of the bottle, I'll proceed. Next thing is putting the ship in the bottle. Be warned, etching stuff is kind of addictive, I want to etch all kinds of stuff on glass now 🤪

Lots of progress now. At this point I'd say we're at 99% of the model itself. - Gave her the auxiliary cranes on each leg and around the deck (you don't want to move a pallet with that big crane) - Dressed her up with her deck cargo of transition pieces, since they'll pass the bottleneck - Gave her additional containers all around as these vessels carry around a lot of stuff. Still considering if I'll add some reels as well. All in all I'm already happy with the seam camouflage 😁 - Almost completed the accomodation, crane jib rest, helo deck etc. Some small paint jobs remaining. - Crane was rigged with Uni Caenis thread. I also bought Uni 8/0 as well as Veevus 16/0, but the Caenis is clearly the thinnest. Surprisingly the Uni 8/0 appears thinner than the Veevus, although the Veevus is claimed to be smaller (or I'm just cross eyed, which is possible after this rigging job). She's of course a lot smaller in reality than on these pics. I've also ordered some glass etching cream and intend to etch the company logo on the bottle. (yes stole that idea from a pirate ship on this forum somewhere as well). Of course I'll first test that on a test bottle.

You do know what's missing, right? No, ain't talking about penguins... water that runs off the edge of the bottle opening! either running straight down or into a slight bend in the direction of Kraken's mouth... I'm thinking mixing clear acrylic gel with the same pigment as the epoxy? Or building it up externally from epoxy and then gluing it in place at the opening? Just saying though... Fantastic job so far!

Made some serious progress, almost time for putting in the bottle I think. Time for some test fitting. Luckily the deck cargo, the transition pieces, can stay on deck, so I can glue them before inserting the ship in the bottle. Although initial tests with my prototype bridge seemed ok, I made another test of the actual bridge, with the helicopter pad and mast in place, to see if it would really fit. Seems to be ok for now. Still some work to do on that helo pad and crane boom rest. For the larger grills I did use masking tape to paint them on. Since I can't cut the masking time consistently in this small size, I decided to make a large opening and seperate tiny strips to separate the grills. And some more small platforms in the making. Basically I use 0.1mm copper wire, bend them to shape, cut them to size and glue them to the platforms. Luckily those platforms can then be glued to a larger structure rather than resting on 4 of these tiny legs.

Hi Glen, not sure what you had in mind. I do believe it would be too large as well, or at least difficult to cut to shape. For now I settled on marking it with a very fine tip marker. Only later on I figured out I should have used masking tape to keep at least straight lines on top and bottom. I tested that, and it worked, but it was difficult to keep the lines horizontal and not angled one way or the other... I had this solution in mind, but it's not my favorite as it's only waterproof when applied on an absorbent surface (paper). I currently touched some of the windows and left some smudges on the white afterwards... Not all windows are on yet, but looks good enough for now. I'll see on the next build if I find any better solutions. Also continued on deck with the equipment. Lucky for me that equipment is off-centered, so it can be used to hide the seam! Forward part will be largely filled with lots of containers in different colours. Proceeded on the deck cargo as well. Decided to dress her up once more to see how she looks. Eventually she has to be easy to assemble as I'll have to do it in the bottle after all... I'm testing to see if the deck cargo can stay in place with the legs in bent position to pass through the neck, that way I could avoid mounting the yellow mushrooms (Transition Pieces) in the green circles inside the bottle (which for sure is going to result in them toppling over etc.). Next to the bottle you can see a cardboard template for a possible base for the bottle, resembling the wind mill tower. I noticed the bottle is very heavy at the back, so I'd have to mount it in a weird after position. I'll see where this goes. I'm fairly happy with the dimensions and angle of this mock-up.

Well done, the ships make a nice couple. Love the significance of these seemingly insignificant vessels. Good to see you persevered and gained the experience!

Thanks for the input Glen. As you could have guessed the last post was the point where I was. Now I'll continue the build. The target for now is getting that ship ready to bottle and assemble it inside the bottle. Everything else, the epoxy, the bottle dressing itself, is a plus and considered optional. I've continued with some tiny platforms and the rescue boat as well as some painting. I've ordered some fly fishing binding wire (thanks again Glen!) for rigging of the crane. Since I don't have any experience with such wires, I've ordered several types and sizes to see what works. The wire should arrive in a couple of days. In the meanwhile I'll continue with the deck outfitting and further painting. Need to hide that ugly seam as much as I can. Currently also figuring out how to get windows on that superstructure. Without them, it would be bland, but getting them on in a decent size is going to be a challenge...

Very impressive work. Would make for a nice project in itself. The shape doesn't look off at all. I'll follow along.

Thanks for joining in and all the likes up till now. Yes Glen, the lattice is the 0.1mm copper wire. I made a small jig of a plate (cutting board) and a small beam on top. I'd put the long length of wire with one end against the beam and then cut to length. Later on I'd keep doing that, using the first cut as a length measure. This way I had a more or less consistent length for a lot of these small parts. For the "hub cap" I made a drawing of what I'm toying with. The more I look at it, the more the top idea is losing out. The blunt cap is perhaps even more frequently used at sea, but still I do believe it is more abstract and would be more difficult for people to figure out what it is. The sharp cone at the bottom would be nicer, but more work to build. I'm also not sure on its position, close to the bottle gives a more faired and realistic view, while further forward (like the blunt cap idea) gives the better view of the neck. I also drew the holes for the blades that would allow light to enter and give visibility to the bottleneck. Let me know what you guys think.

Great solution indeed. It'll take quite some clay, but it's a very good shape holder. Tapering the ends won't be easy though, I guess you'd have to add clay at the top rather than try to taper the cable. Will she be getting a head/mouth at the center? Or just teeth sticking out of the water?

Next step was to measure the inside of the bottle, to see how much height I'd have to raise that crane. The inside of the bottle is conical, so I have more height towards the neck than towards the bottom of the bottle. On the model itself I painted the legs in the "new" color as if the ship were brand new, but I'll try to weather them with rust as the really are. The banded appearance I achieved by stacking small disks on top of each other, some 0.3mm thick, were painted red around the edge, while the others, 0.5mm thick, were painted white. I didn't really see another way to consistently paint such fine stripes, yet they were very important for a realistic impression of the vessel. I then clipped the legs in height to compensate for this stack of disks. Then it was time for the crane. I know from the start it would be difficult without making my own PE. I decided on a "solid" version as you see in some 1/700 kits. I'd also have to handle it inside the bottle, so it should be quite sturdy. I used a styrene base with 0.3mm steel wire on the corners and 0.1mm copper wire (from dismantled electronics wires). Copper wire cuts easily at length, which is something impossible with the very strong 0.3mm steel wire. I then raised the crane, using the measuring stick from the bottle for a good height. I did leave some open space, as I have to bend the legs and lower the hull over the hinges. Also the sandy bottom is not entirely flat. It still needs some more paint and rigging, but I think it will do.

Thanks for the welcome. As you have probably seen, I've been active already. Now slowly plowing through some awesome rigged ship topics. Great and helpful work over here. Contemplating a Vanguard Alert as a first wooden ship for the moment. However my shipyard's a bit full, so we'll see.

Hi Glen, I was saying somewhat the opposite, that the nacelle idea would be difficult due to the blades, but given your comment, I actuall thought about it again. A small tower on the bottom would indeed be a nice stand for the bottle, while the tip could actually be a nacelle without the blades. This vessel builds the towers, puts the nacelles on top and then inserts the blades into the nacelle, so an unfinished windmill is a possibility. If I'd leave the blades out and leave 3 large holes, it would allow more light to enter the front of the bottle and give some visibility to the bottleneck, which would otherwise be nearly invisible... I'll have to draw it out. It would take a long time to build that hub though, not sure if I want to invest this much time in it. I don't really have much of a connection to the vessel and I'm having trouble considering it a real project. It remains a prototype in my mind for the time being. Now on to the vessel itself. I continued the hull, losing quite some time with a nasty seam in the middle. Again I was in doubt whether to give it a better finish or leave it as it was, about 0.5mm in between the hull halves. I decided to try to fill it and give it a better fit. It'll always be visible of course, but I'll try to hide it with deck equipment and a lot of it is already covered by the accommodation block as well. As you can see in these pictures, the hinges, which will be retracted into the hull, are made invisible by these blocks around the legs (where I assume the jacking mechanism is located). She has a very unusual triple Voight Schneider propulsion, which is something normally used by tugboats. This propulsion is basically a modern paddle wheel, with the blades standing upright and rotating. The angle of the blades varies during the rotation, creating a forward motion. I made the base for this propulsion in form of 3 circular plates at the bottom, but decided to wait with the tiny blades until the last moment before bottling, since they will be too fragile to handle during the build. In the back you see the three propulsion circles, the central one was also the reason for splitting this hull this way. The bow seam I solved (after several attempts) by covering one half of the bow with vaseline, while applying Milliput epoxy filler to the other half. This way I got a good fit and the filler would stick only to one half of the hull. The back was eventually done in the same way. You will also see that on the top deck, the split is straight in the back. This allows me to align the hulls easier inside the bottle.