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Joggling is the term. You joggle the planks in. Woodenboat forum will have information on that if you're interested in knowing more about it. The reason behind it was to allow the builder to caulk the seams. He needed a certain width of plank to allow his caulking iron to fit. There's no way to insert a 2 inch wide iron into a 1 inch space at the end of the plank so instead of tapering down that far, you joggle the plank to allow the iron to fit. The irons came in different sizes of course but practically speaking, you aren't going to caulk (pronounced "cork" by many) a plank with a pointy awl, you need a chisel shaped calking iron. FYI, a good experienced caulker, supervising newbies could often tell how fast his proteges were progressing and how well they were doing by the speed of their mallet blows and the sound they made. They make a sort of ringing noise. Caulking mallets are always used, no rubber mallets or hammers here. if it didn't "ring true" he knew his apprentice was botching it up. And now you know where the expression "ring true" comes from.
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Those guns look awesome.
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Sailor1234567890 replied to grsjax's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
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Cutty Sark by Nenad
Sailor1234567890 replied to NenadM's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1851 - 1900
I have the Campbell plans and Lord only knows how much study/reference material on the ship. I guess it's just a matter of scaling up the drawings I have and working from that. First I finish the revell kit, then see about a scratch build I guess.- 4,145 replies
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Phew, glad you knew. I'd hate to see her with the wrong mast. And to "upgrade" to a bigger stick like that would have been rare. I have always wondered what a 28 gun frigate would look like with the mainmast of a 36 gun frigate. In the parlance of the trade, the "mainmast" would refer strictly to the lower stick. The main topmast, main topgallant mast and main royal masts would have been refered to as such even if the royal and topgallant were the same stick. I am led to believe that this would mean she simply would have carried a heavier lower main mast, likely several feet taller. This would enable her to carry a mainsail or main course that was correspondingly deeper. A bit more sail area and the tophamper would have been a bit higher up. I suspect it would have improved her sailing abilities provided she was properly ballasted. The extra weight would have been pretty much in the middle of the ship so trim wouldn't be an issue. The extra weight aloft would need to be properly countered with extra ballast but since she carried a full set of spare cannon in the hold, I doubt this would have been an issue for her. As refit, I'd say she'd be a faster sailer than as originally designed. I'll be keeping a close eye on your progress. Cheers, Daniel
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So we're all in agreement then that Underhill's masting and rigging book is the bible. I am glad, I figured it was when I first read it 15 years ago. He's got a few other books out there that were awesome reads. I was incredibly lucky to attend a nautical college. I could litterally lose myself in there for years reading up on stuff. The sheer volume of nautical books in that library was incredible. And the college was a subsidiary of a university that also had a really good nautical section in it's library. I loved hanging out in those libraries at school.
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Cutty Sark by Nenad
Sailor1234567890 replied to NenadM's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1851 - 1900
What is the purpose of the mirror finish on the anvil? You're just going to bang on it anyway. I know you want a smooth flat surface such as when lapping a chisel or spokeshave where a plate of thick glass is also handy but is a mirror necessary? What advantage do you get from a mirror surface? Just curious. -
I have no cats, so no worries about that. Dogs can't reach the mantle piece where I keep her so that's not a problem. Kids playing ball in the house though....... I better not catch him........
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That's a significant difference. Le Superbe was a warship and likely 15 feet or so more in the beam. Likely deeper as well. She certainly has a much different prismatic coefficient so she's a MUCH bigger ship even if she's 10m shorter. Probably twice the tonnage or more. I wonder how their sail areas compared? Thermopylae likely has a larger sail area, significantly I'd say.
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Cutty Sark by Nenad
Sailor1234567890 replied to NenadM's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1851 - 1900
I wonder..... Hmmmmm.... Could I scratch build her? I've never built in wood, only from plastic kits and not all that many of them....- 4,145 replies
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Big. REAL BIG. Absolute monsters of the sea those ships were. Would love to see what the bridge looks like. When I visited one, it was only upper decks that were open to visitors. As a bridge watchkeeping officer, I'd love to see how those things were operated from the bridge.
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Wow, nice work. What scales are those ships to? Both are beautiful examples of the ship designer and ship builder's arts.
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Agree, looks awesome.
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Glad you're getting her back into the fight. She's deserving of it.
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I think you forgot one reason, or maybe you just alluded to it rather than mentioned it outright. I build them to help me dream of something I could never have. I (sometimes unfortunatly I think) have very refined tastes. I like the best of things. I (like anyone else) feel I KNOW what was the most beautiful, fastest etc ship, sexiest most manly awesome sports car, the most incredible flying machine in history. And I want one of each. I'll never own Cutty Sark, I'll likely never own a million dollar Shelby Cobra and as for flying a Spitfire.... not very likely either. But I know for a fact that Cutty Sark is the greatest sailing machine ever built, a Shelby Cobra exhudes testosterone and is the greatest sports car ever and there is nothing that has ever brought man into the sky that could even come close to comparing with a Spitfire (Ask any pilot who's ever flown one.) but by building a model of them, I can "own" one. Yes, I think a big reason for building models is to allow us to dream.
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I feel a little late to the show but I have something to mention re. the masts of HMS Surprise....... I know you've got them built but they're not rigged. You mentioned they seem a bit out of porportion. HMS Surprise's masts WOULD be out of proportion. Very much out of proportion. You talk of scaling the foremast as .9 the size of the main etc.... HMS Surprise was refitted (in the books) at a prior date, with the main mast from a 36 gun frigate. This would make her main significantly larger than the fore and mizzen and therefore scaling the fore and mizzen directly from the main would provide masts that are incorrectly scaled to represent HMS Surprise as Jack had her. I can't tell from your build log if you took this into account or not. I would suggest it's not too late to rebuild masts though frustrating. Better than waiting until after she's rigged. (I'd say that would be too late and just leave it at that point). Unless you did take that into account, which I hope you did and I just missed it.
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She really is a beauty isn't she? Imagine the work invovled in repairing her fancy work after a slugging match? Extravagance indeed.
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That looks really nice. I love the sailors working all over her. Is that one sailor sleeping in the top?
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Looks great to me. I know for a fact, I couldn't carve that. Not at any scale. Great job.
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Saw it. Looking good. I had considered building one in college but couldn't get the lofting to work out. It's more boat than I wanted full sized at the time too so that wasn't an option. I waited and am now building a Catspaw full sized. Still plug away at my Revell Cutty Sark in 1:96 when I can though.
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This one will be a monster. Have you thought about the suggested RC rudder and steam plant? How cool would that be? Sail and steam.
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Cool. Look forward to seeing your progress.
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I've been comparing my Campbell drawings with my Revel 1:96 kit plans. VERY different. I'm making as many upgrades as I can at this late stage. Wish I'd have found MSW before I started the kit a few years ago. I'm upgrading as best I can now. Wouldn't call the kid "bashed" but it's definitely an improvement over what came in the box. Second time I build this kit too so I have been cannibalizing the old hull and rig. The Campbell drawings are worth their weight in gold. You could scratch build the whole model from those 3 sheets including rigging and intricate details.
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Different scales but very close.... That might cause problems while you build no? Or would you build them each individually? I love the idea but I think if I were to do that, I'd build them to the same scale. Just my $0.02.
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