Palladio Posted February 18, 2016 Author #31 Posted February 18, 2016 Thank you all for your comments, as you well know, this is very encouraging in the ups and downs of such a long lasting build. Typical for a scratch build is the absence of a masterplan, at least concerning the little decisions you make, which may result in many weeks of additional work. One of this crazy ideas were the workable gun lids. Most "HMS Surprises" show the traditional one piece gun doors, simple and reliable. My (about) 1810 Surprise had to feature the two-parted version the trio Lavery, Hunt and Marquardt demand. Believe me, I didn`t know what was coming about. A horror trip: but she has a "look"... Finally, one clear cold morning the hull was completed. ... and another decision had to be made: Rigging? Sails? Well my wife decided imperiously: "Rigg and sails!" ...and here we are, serving countless ropes... GrandpaPhil, Jason, tadheus and 13 others 16 Quote
mtaylor Posted February 18, 2016 #32 Posted February 18, 2016 You're worming and serving???? I think this is first time I've seen the lines being wormed. At least it's only two sets of those lids, Palladio. And the lids do look great. Admirals do have a way with us, don't they? Canute and paulsutcliffe 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Palladio Posted February 18, 2016 Author #33 Posted February 18, 2016 I think this was the main stay, I don´t intend to do that mad job for smaler cables. Concerning the Admirals, if I would call her lovingly "my dear old Jarvie" she surely would grip the nine tailed cat and start flogging the captain of her heart... This world is unfair! Hansa, mtaylor, WBlakeny and 4 others 7 Quote
Hansa Posted March 1, 2016 #34 Posted March 1, 2016 I am speechless incredible created Klaas, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote
Klaas Posted March 1, 2016 #35 Posted March 1, 2016 I was having the intention to build the HMS Surprise once, but when i see this, i better start knitting...... Just awsome!!! mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Current build: HMS Agamemnon 1781 Website: http://www.henkvanluinen.com
Palladio Posted March 1, 2016 Author #36 Posted March 1, 2016 I´m totally ungifted in knitting, and therefore had to start something else... This is not the first and definitely not the last Surprise. Just do it!! paulsutcliffe, Klaas, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote
Palladio Posted March 2, 2016 Author #37 Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) Well, there she is, in full size and something like a weird memorial of the beautiful sailing frigate she may be, when finally finished. First thing that had to be replaced was the carefully "tail docked" bowsprit I used in the earlier stages of the build. As a working mast it had to be done completely new. It may not be the easyest thing to start with, but it´s quite servicable. In the end you have to invent a convincing "look" for the rigg, something like a "used look" in my case. The lower foremast in comparison to the drawing of the massiv 36gun mainmast. In scale 1:48 at least some parts are exposed to permanent stress which could cause significant damage in the long run. One of this fragil looking elements are the fighting tops. This is the maintop and the smaler mizzentop. The "mouse" of the forestay as a workpiece and in action Edited March 3, 2016 by Palladio Klaas, tkay11, shipaholic and 15 others 18 Quote
GDM67 Posted March 3, 2016 #38 Posted March 3, 2016 Palladio, where to begin... Superb modeling, techniques, how to's, wood choices, overall color tones, subject mattter and photography. The mouse is exceptional, as are the long guns. Its inspiring. G Bobstrake, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote
lionfish Posted March 3, 2016 #39 Posted March 3, 2016 DSC07770.JPG Well, there she is, in full size and something like a weird memorial of the beautiful sailing frigate she may be, when finally finished. DSC07486.JPG First thing that had to be replaced was the carefully "tail docked" bowsprit I used in the earlier stages of the build. As a working mast it had to be done completely new. DSC07794.JPG It may not be the easyest thing to start with, but it´s quite servicable. In the end you have to invent a convincing "look" for the rigg, something like a "used look" in my case. DSC07568-001.JPGDSC07567.JPG The lower foremast in comparison to the drawing of the massiv 36gun mainmast. In scale 1:48 at least some parts are exposed to permanent stress which could cause significant damage in the long run. DSC07805.JPG One of this fragil looking elements are the fighting tops. This is the foretop and the smaler mizzentop. DSC07588.JPGDSC07594.JPG DSC07788.JPG The "mouse" of the forestay as a workpiece and in action DSC07791.JPGDSC00962.JPGDSC00966.JPG im convinced you just invented time travel and a shrink ray, went back in time, shrunk the HMS surprise, and brought it back. then "disassemboled" select parts to put back together to tease us. all kidding aside, seriously amazing work, i wish there was more descriptive words for this but i am at a loss. JerseyCity Frankie, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote
albert Posted March 3, 2016 #40 Posted March 3, 2016 Very very nice model, fantastic work. mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote
WBlakeny Posted March 3, 2016 #41 Posted March 3, 2016 Wow.... just.... wow I'm speechless, I fell in love with your Surprise, she's so beautiful. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Chris Current builds : On hold : IJN Yamato by DeAgostini - 1/250 Completed builds : Bermuda boat Corsair (scratch) President by Sergal - 1/60
lionfish Posted March 3, 2016 #42 Posted March 3, 2016 "She has a bluff bow, lovely lines. Shes a fine seabird: weatherly, stiff and fast... very fast, if shes well handled. No, shes not old; shes in her prime." Canute 1 Quote
Palladio Posted March 3, 2016 Author #43 Posted March 3, 2016 A full broadside salut to and from HMS Surprise! Thank you all. Even though the highly praised features of the real ship, read quite different, when you look at the captains logs. She is a nice looking vessel and in her fictional appearance really a fine "seabird"... Hendrik Klaas, mtaylor, Dubz and 8 others 11 Quote
Klaas Posted March 8, 2016 #44 Posted March 8, 2016 I´m totally ungifted in knitting, and therefore had to start something else... This is not the first and definitely not the last Surprise. Just do it!! I will Hendrik, have to finish my Agamemnon first mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Current build: HMS Agamemnon 1781 Website: http://www.henkvanluinen.com
Siggi52 Posted March 8, 2016 #45 Posted March 8, 2016 Hello Hendrik, I found your blog today and must say, wonderful! Regards, Siggi mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Regards, Siggi Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747) Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build
Palladio Posted March 11, 2016 Author #46 Posted March 11, 2016 Thanks everybody !! Once hull and the standing rigg are completed, there are two major challenges left. Sails and flags. There may be some 500 or even more pulleys of different size and shape, but in the end this is a question of diligence. :-) Sails and flags are a question of texture. Most models are shown without sails because sail making is painstaking and often the final output doesn´t look like sails at all... Even the thinnest tissue has the appearance of corrugated cardboard or worse. That rises the obvious question: is fabric tissue the ideal material? It´s definetly not! But.... :-) Well, there are certain conventions in the honorable business of historic model ship building.... So I humbly took the thinnest fabric available and started with the gigantic Spanker. As sail making is awfully time consuming, I had to overcome my concerns to bath the precious thing in ordinary potato starch before giving it a stiff breeze with the hot hairdryer... .. witch resulted in swelled sails which concerve their form. meanwhile the main course is ready for action. I replaced conventional seams with liquide fabric glue to avoide stiff multi layers of fabric. But when it comes to flags, even the thinnest fabric doesn´t work. The texture of a flag is destinctively different from a sail. In this case, I didn´t give a damn on conventions and looked for an unconventional alternative. In the end thin copper foil proofed very effective. It was prime coated, using white enamel paint, was fixed on a sheet of paper and send through an ink-jet printer. You just look for a beautiful "white ensign" in the net, download and print it on the copper foil, which is the ideal material to bend and twist it to a convincing "Flag". The wrinkles of the real flag (which are extremely difficult to achive) are simply printed on the plane surface and look quite realistic. aykutansin, Siggi52, dvm27 and 15 others 18 Quote
Palladio Posted April 18, 2016 Author #47 Posted April 18, 2016 A little update concerning the progress in rigging HMS Surprise. It was a surprise for me how time consuming the detailing of each and every sail turned out... ...and there are quite a few very specialized objects to create. In scale 1:48 you see allmost everything. Mirabell61, Klaas, klimi and 14 others 17 Quote
uss frolick Posted April 18, 2016 #48 Posted April 18, 2016 Capt. Jack Aubrey: "Do you see those two weevils doctor?" Dr. Stephen Maturin: "I do." Aubrey: "Which would you choose? " Maturin: "Neither; there is not a scrap a difference between them. They are the same species of Curculio." Aubrey: "If you had to choose. If you were forced to make a choice. If there was no other response... " Maturin: "Well then if you are going to push me, I would choose the right hand weevil; it has significant advantage in both length and breadth." Aubrey: "There, I have you! You're completely dished! Do you not know that in the service, one must always choose the lesser of two weevils!" jchbeiner and mtaylor 2 Quote
lionfish Posted April 19, 2016 #49 Posted April 19, 2016 Capt. Jack Aubrey: "Do you see those two weevils doctor?" Dr. Stephen Maturin: "I do." Aubrey: "Which would you choose? " Maturin: "Neither; there is not a scrap a difference between them. They are the same species of Curculio." Aubrey: "If you had to choose. If you were forced to make a choice. If there was no other response... " Maturin: "Well then if you are going to push me, I would choose the right hand weevil; it has significant advantage in both length and breadth." Aubrey: "There, I have you! You're completely dished! Do you not know that in the service, one must always choose the lesser of two weevils!" maturin; "he would pun would pick a pocket" jchbeiner and mtaylor 2 Quote
S.Coleman Posted April 19, 2016 #50 Posted April 19, 2016 What a nice build. Sails look great. Your right they are extremely hard to get right. mtaylor 1 Quote Regards, Scott Current build: 1:75 Friesland, Mamoli Completed builds: 1:64 Rattlesnake, Mamoli - 1:64 HMS Bounty, Mamoli - 1:54 Adventure, Amati - 1:80 King of the Mississippi, AL 1:64 Blue Shadow, Mamoli - 1:64 Leida Dutch pleasure boat, Corel - 1:60 HMS President Mantra, Sergal Awaiting construction: 1:89 Hermione La Fayette AL - 1:48 Perserverance, Modelers shipyard
shipaholic Posted April 19, 2016 #51 Posted April 19, 2016 Fantastic work on the sails and a great innovation for the ensign, love it. Your attention to detail is superb, this is one of my favourite models on this forum. zappto and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Build: HMB Endeavour 1:51 (Eaglemoss part work)Previous Builds: USS Constitution (Revell plastic) HMS Victory 1:96 (Corel) HMB Endeavour 1:60 (AL)
Mirabell61 Posted April 19, 2016 #53 Posted April 19, 2016 Hendrik, wunderbar !!!! an exciting build, love the pics in your post #3, and the following......the aft-view is fantastic, also sails, rigging and ensign look great, very inspirative and providing a lot to learn...., Thanks for sharing this build log Nils mtaylor 1 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
JDClark Posted April 19, 2016 #54 Posted April 19, 2016 This is beautiful art. You've managed to make this look like a contemporary model from 1770 or so. What life you brought to this project. Extremely well done. mtaylor 1 Quote John
Palladio Posted April 19, 2016 Author #55 Posted April 19, 2016 Thank you all, I´m proud you got this flattering impression, but in fact the guys from the late 18th century were simply better and by far more experienced ! Well, I "choose the lesser of the two weevils"... :-) By the way, in the german translation of this famous dialog, they choose the term "bug/beetle" instead of "weevil". Believe it or not, a "pretty/cute beetle" is in german the equivalent of a nice girl. So Jack Aubrey says: Didn´t you know, in the navy we allways choose the prettier beetle... "Wifes and mistresses, may they never meet!" albert, WBlakeny, Dubz and 3 others 6 Quote
Louie da fly Posted April 24, 2016 #56 Posted April 24, 2016 A beautiful job. Also nice to see your sailmaking has Royal approval. Steven mtaylor 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
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