src Posted May 3, 2016 #31 Posted May 3, 2016 that is a serious squaring set up brian!!! Sam mtaylor, WackoWolf, mrshanks and 3 others 6 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise
Stuntflyer Posted May 3, 2016 #32 Posted May 3, 2016 Hello Brian, Never seen this build before so I'm looking forward to following yours. Cheers, Mike GuntherMT, Elijah, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
GuntherMT Posted May 3, 2016 Author #33 Posted May 3, 2016 Another itty bitty update. I beveled the stern bulkheads and glued them in place, then added a few little bits that don't show up in the photo's very well (side braces between the 2nd and 3rd bulkhead and a brace between the pieces on either side of the keel under the last stern bulkhead). Then I got the rest of the bulkheads cut out and cleaned up some of the laser char. For those building this kit in the future, *warning* these things are extremely fragile and if you forget to support the side of the bulkhead you are working on and try to hold it from the other side, they absolutely WILL break at the center. Don't ask how I know this. Primed with Vallejo Air grey primer, and then painted with Vallejo Air "US Blue Grey" using an airbrush. KenW, Canute, src and 19 others 22 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build)
DocBlake Posted May 3, 2016 #34 Posted May 3, 2016 Good progress, Brian. Bass wood breaks easily, I guess! Maybe I'm dense, but what are the laser scored lines perpendicular to the edges of the bulkheads for? Planking guide, maybe? Canute, GuntherMT, mrshanks and 5 others 8 Quote Dave Click on images in posts to view them in full resolution! Click on the builds below and link to the log. Current Builds: -Gaff-Rigged Sloop, 1/4 Scale (3" = 1') -Chapman Water Hoy 1768 by DocBlake - Scratch Build - 1:48 scale -Hannah - 1:32 scale, Scratch-Built Plank-on-Frame Admiralty style -Generic Sharpie by DocBlake. 3/4" = 1' scale. NRG plans. -Fair American 1780 by DocBlake - Lauck Street Shipyard - 1/48 scale - POF -Independence 1775 by DocBlake - Artesania Latina - 5/16" scale -HMS Triton Cross Section by DocBlake - 1/24 scale Completed Builds: -Bomb Vessel Granado 1742 Cross Section - 1:32 Scale Scratch Build -British Capstan circa 1777 by DocBlake - FINISHED - 1:16 Scale -HMS Blandford - Cross Section - Scratch Build -1/32 Scale -17th Century Battle Station by DocBlake - HMS Mordaunt - 1:32 -17th Century Naval Cannon - 1:12 Scale -Royal Navy Ship of the Line Cross Section by DocBlake - (Mamoli's "Constitution") - 1:93 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768, 1/48 scale. -Virginia Pilot Boat "Swift", 1805, 1/50 scale -18th Century Naval Battle Station, 1/24 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768 "Patrick Henry", 1/32 scale, Lauck Street Shipyard, POF, Admiralty Style.
WackoWolf Posted May 3, 2016 #35 Posted May 3, 2016 I was wondering the same thing. They some sort of a guide for what? They must be there for some reason. Could you let us know Please. mtaylor, mrshanks, Elijah and 3 others 6 Quote Wacko Joe Go MSW :)
GuntherMT Posted May 3, 2016 Author #36 Posted May 3, 2016 Those scores are exactly what you guessed at, they are planking marks. This model has a planking plan, and the edges of the bulkheads are marked for exactly where the edge of each plank should lie. Canute, a49kid, WackoWolf and 4 others 7 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build)
kurtvd19 Posted May 3, 2016 #37 Posted May 3, 2016 There is a documentary video by the History Channel about this boat and the sinking of the Albemarle. I picked up the video when I built this model. I don't remember the cost but it was very reasonable. They painted the hull white or light gray probably due to the night attack would have made the boat almost invisible. Other than that it's a good film. Kurt mtaylor, WackoWolf, mrshanks and 5 others 8 Quote Kurt Van Dahm Director NAUTICAL RESEARCH GUILD www.thenrg.org SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS CLUBS Nautical Research & Model Ship Society of Chicago Midwest Model Shipwrights North Shore Deadeyes The Society of Model Shipwrights Butch O'Hare - IPMS
GuntherMT Posted May 3, 2016 Author #38 Posted May 3, 2016 There is a documentary video by the History Channel about this boat and the sinking of the Albemarle. I picked up the video when I built this model. I don't remember the cost but it was very reasonable. They painted the hull white or light gray probably due to the night attack would have made the boat almost invisible. Other than that it's a good film. Kurt Sent you a PM a while back Kurt, did you ever get it? Canute and Elijah 2 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build)
WackoWolf Posted May 3, 2016 #39 Posted May 3, 2016 I remember seeing that on the History channel. Canute, Elijah and mrshanks 3 Quote Wacko Joe Go MSW :)
kurtvd19 Posted May 3, 2016 #40 Posted May 3, 2016 Brian: OOPS, I got it - dug out the copies and then forgot to follow through. PM on the way. Kurt GuntherMT, Elijah, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Kurt Van Dahm Director NAUTICAL RESEARCH GUILD www.thenrg.org SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS CLUBS Nautical Research & Model Ship Society of Chicago Midwest Model Shipwrights North Shore Deadeyes The Society of Model Shipwrights Butch O'Hare - IPMS
GuntherMT Posted May 4, 2016 Author #41 Posted May 4, 2016 What is better than one really slowly progressing build log? Why TWO really slowly progressing build logs of course! Coming soon to a forum near you, because I'm dumb and can't wait to start working on this... When I start this it will be in the Kit sub-forum, as the general consensus I've seen in the discussions surrounding 'kit vs. scratch' comes down to making your own keel/bulkheads or frames, and I'm using the laser-cut pieces for this very important part of the construction. Mahuna, Elijah, Seventynet and 10 others 13 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build)
gsprings Posted May 4, 2016 #42 Posted May 4, 2016 The Cheerful? mrshanks, Canute, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote "No man could easily surpass me in ignorance of naval terms." -- Stephen Maturin in Patrick O'Brian's Master and Commander Current Build: Armed Virginia Sloop 1/48 by Model Shipways Completed Build: Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack 1/24 by Midwest On the Shelf: 18th Century Longboat 1/48 by Model Shipways Fair American 1/48 by Model Shipways USS Syren, US Brig 1803 1/64 by Model Shipways USS Constitution 1/76 by Model Shipways Lady Nelson 1/64 by Victory Models Hannah SIB 1/300 by Amati
GuntherMT Posted May 4, 2016 Author #43 Posted May 4, 2016 Guess I didn't put that Greg. Yes, the Cheerful. mtaylor, Ryland Craze, Elijah and 3 others 6 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build)
mrshanks Posted May 4, 2016 #44 Posted May 4, 2016 Ha ha Brian, you have the modeling bug bad!! Sounds like me... I always seem to be finishing one model but starting 2 more... Quote Mike Shanks
donrobinson Posted May 5, 2016 #45 Posted May 5, 2016 Good stuff Brian, looking forward to watching both come alive. Elijah, mrshanks, WackoWolf and 3 others 6 Quote Completed: MS-AVS, Amati Trabaccolo, Dusek ship's boat, AL-Mayflower, Batelina - MarisStella, MarisStella-Trabakul Liburnian Novilara - MarisStella, 17th Century Battle Station, Ragusian Galley-MarisStella Current: Barque Stefano - MarisStella, On Hold: Amati Pegasus
DocBlake Posted May 5, 2016 #46 Posted May 5, 2016 I'll be watching both builds very closely! Canute, Elijah, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Dave Click on images in posts to view them in full resolution! Click on the builds below and link to the log. Current Builds: -Gaff-Rigged Sloop, 1/4 Scale (3" = 1') -Chapman Water Hoy 1768 by DocBlake - Scratch Build - 1:48 scale -Hannah - 1:32 scale, Scratch-Built Plank-on-Frame Admiralty style -Generic Sharpie by DocBlake. 3/4" = 1' scale. NRG plans. -Fair American 1780 by DocBlake - Lauck Street Shipyard - 1/48 scale - POF -Independence 1775 by DocBlake - Artesania Latina - 5/16" scale -HMS Triton Cross Section by DocBlake - 1/24 scale Completed Builds: -Bomb Vessel Granado 1742 Cross Section - 1:32 Scale Scratch Build -British Capstan circa 1777 by DocBlake - FINISHED - 1:16 Scale -HMS Blandford - Cross Section - Scratch Build -1/32 Scale -17th Century Battle Station by DocBlake - HMS Mordaunt - 1:32 -17th Century Naval Cannon - 1:12 Scale -Royal Navy Ship of the Line Cross Section by DocBlake - (Mamoli's "Constitution") - 1:93 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768, 1/48 scale. -Virginia Pilot Boat "Swift", 1805, 1/50 scale -18th Century Naval Battle Station, 1/24 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768 "Patrick Henry", 1/32 scale, Lauck Street Shipyard, POF, Admiralty Style.
Elijah Posted May 5, 2016 #47 Posted May 5, 2016 Me too! Maybe I will build her in the next 20 years ! Canute, mrshanks, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society)
John Maguire Posted June 3, 2016 #48 Posted June 3, 2016 Brian, Fascinating. . . . . How did you bevel your bulkheads in a way that looks so uniform? I like the planking plan that is laid out on the bulkheads so clearly. Looking forward to seeing more. Respectfully, John Elijah, WackoWolf and mtaylor 3 Quote
GuntherMT Posted June 3, 2016 Author #49 Posted June 3, 2016 Brian, Fascinating. . . . . How did you bevel your bulkheads in a way that looks so uniform? I like the planking plan that is laid out on the bulkheads so clearly. Looking forward to seeing more. Respectfully, John John, the bevel lines are laser etched on the bulkheads, just have to sand down to the line. Elijah, WackoWolf, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build)
GuntherMT Posted June 11, 2016 Author #50 Posted June 11, 2016 So I finally got the wood I've been waiting for, so I started to do some work on the picket boat. There are a number of different deck parts on this kit that are just 1/16" thick basswood, and the instructions are to 'scribe' the lines onto the decks to simulate planks. This is probably because those decks are supposed to be painted (or stained) in the instructions, but I don't care for how the scribed decks look, and I also think I want to keep the planked deck portions natural wood to contrast with the painted hull, so I got some 1/32" thick Swiss Pear, and I'm planking all those sections, like most of the other builders of this kit have done before me. On the left, the basswood that I'm supposed to scribe fake planking into prior to staining it. This is the floor of the rear cockpit. On the right is the first planked section with Swiss Pear. Then both parts complete. It will darken up a bit when it gets a coating of wipe on poly. The large floor sections of the main cockpit of the boat, again showing the basswood kit piece, and then the planked but not yet trimmed down piece, and then after finishing it. I have the benches of the rear cockpit, the deck of the bow and stern, and some bulkheads that are exposed to do. Some of those parts get margin planks, so they'll be a bit trickier and require cutting custom shaped planks out of 1/32" sheet rather than using straight planking. Hopefully I'll get some more done this weekend and post another update. Ryland Craze, gjdale, zoly99sask and 17 others 20 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build)
Mahuna Posted June 11, 2016 #51 Posted June 11, 2016 Hi Brian - the decks will look great - I like your decision to use a quality wood and leave it natural. GuntherMT, Elijah, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Frank Completed: Skipjack Kathryn; Dunbrody Sectional Model; Paragon (modified Mayflower) Scratch Build; Planning a Sectional Model of Dunbrody NRG Member
DocBlake Posted June 11, 2016 #52 Posted June 11, 2016 Looks great, Brian. I like your idea to use the pear. WackoWolf, mtaylor, mrshanks and 3 others 6 Quote Dave Click on images in posts to view them in full resolution! Click on the builds below and link to the log. Current Builds: -Gaff-Rigged Sloop, 1/4 Scale (3" = 1') -Chapman Water Hoy 1768 by DocBlake - Scratch Build - 1:48 scale -Hannah - 1:32 scale, Scratch-Built Plank-on-Frame Admiralty style -Generic Sharpie by DocBlake. 3/4" = 1' scale. NRG plans. -Fair American 1780 by DocBlake - Lauck Street Shipyard - 1/48 scale - POF -Independence 1775 by DocBlake - Artesania Latina - 5/16" scale -HMS Triton Cross Section by DocBlake - 1/24 scale Completed Builds: -Bomb Vessel Granado 1742 Cross Section - 1:32 Scale Scratch Build -British Capstan circa 1777 by DocBlake - FINISHED - 1:16 Scale -HMS Blandford - Cross Section - Scratch Build -1/32 Scale -17th Century Battle Station by DocBlake - HMS Mordaunt - 1:32 -17th Century Naval Cannon - 1:12 Scale -Royal Navy Ship of the Line Cross Section by DocBlake - (Mamoli's "Constitution") - 1:93 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768, 1/48 scale. -Virginia Pilot Boat "Swift", 1805, 1/50 scale -18th Century Naval Battle Station, 1/24 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768 "Patrick Henry", 1/32 scale, Lauck Street Shipyard, POF, Admiralty Style.
mtaylor Posted June 12, 2016 #53 Posted June 12, 2016 Brian, I love the pear. It's a great wood to work with, IMO. Got a question for you. Did you fit the decks before planking? I'm asking because of the notches and a couple of models I did, you couldn't plank the deck until it was fitted otherwise you'd have some big gaps where the notches are. WackoWolf, Elijah, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
GuntherMT Posted June 12, 2016 Author #54 Posted June 12, 2016 I love the pear. It's a great wood to work with, IMO. Got a question for you. Did you fit the decks before planking? I'm asking because of the notches and a couple of models I did, you couldn't plank the deck until it was fitted otherwise you'd have some big gaps where the notches are. Nope! Guess we'll see how it goes. I did do a couple test fits of just seeing how tight the slots fit over the bulkheads without them being assembled at all, and they seemed like a very good fit. Thanks, JesseLee, Ryland Craze, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build)
gerty Posted June 12, 2016 #55 Posted June 12, 2016 Nice work Brian - look forward to following along ! Elijah, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Current Build: Willie L. Bennett - Model Shipways Future Interests: Friendship Sloop - BlueJacket Ship Crafters Cape Cod Catboat - BlueJacket Ship Crafters
mrshanks Posted June 12, 2016 #56 Posted June 12, 2016 Looking good Brian. I'm interested in seeing all the upgrades you do to this model. I am building mine straight from the box and just completed painting of the hull. Quote Mike Shanks
GuntherMT Posted June 26, 2016 Author #57 Posted June 26, 2016 My time in the shop has been really limited, but I have made some slight progress on the picket boat. I finished the other main cockpit deck. And then I started working on planking the faces of the bulkheads that will be exposed when everything is completed. I have a couple more bulkheads to plank, but they were stupidly already attached to the keel prior to realizing that they would be exposed, oops. I am going to try to plank them in place, we'll see how that goes. In the meantime I decided to work on one of the tricky pieces, the bow deck. This piece is tricky because of the two sections of margin plank that are curved and funky-shaped at the stem. Because of this, these pieces need to be custom cut out of a wider sheet of wood. I tried three times to get it right by tracing the outside of the deck and then measuring and tweaking, and this was the best of the three attempts: At this point was when I realized that I'm a stupid idiot. I have plans, I have a scanner, and I have a laser printer. Also, I'm apparently too stupid to think of using those tools to make a thing called a pattern. Anyway, I scanned in the part of the plans with the bow, then messed around with the printer settings until I nailed the proper settings to get it to print in exact scale (because for whatever stupid reason the image the scanner makes is not the right scale when printed actual size). I cut out the appropriate part of the printed plan, and pasted them to the sheet of wood. What do you know, using that 'pattern' thing is actually a pretty good way to make things. Who knew. This was the first piece cut out using the patterns. Other than cutting the front shape a little odd, it's almost perfect, and having the front over-sized isn't a big deal, I can trim it back when it's done. The second part glued up with pattern still attached, and then removed. I had to do a bit of careful trimming and sanding to the inside of the curve right at the bow because I managed to glue the 2nd piece in place slightly out of alignment with the first one, but some patience and sandpaper wrapped around the round end of a small file took care of it so that I could start the planking. I laid a 5/16" center plank and then started placing 1/4" planks to either side. Matching the curve at the end was easier than I thought, and this part went pretty well without a hitch. And the finished bow deck with a coat of wipe on poly. Still have to plank the stern which will require a 3-piece margin plank and then a couple of benches for the aft cockpit and the two bulkheads that are already attached to the keel I am also going to have to re-do one of the bulkheads because I realized that I didn't account for the propeller shaft coming through it, and made the planking notch way too high. tadheus, Blighty, KenW and 19 others 22 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build)
src Posted June 27, 2016 #58 Posted June 27, 2016 That looks REALLY good. Dont beat yourself up too much on the mistakes, its all part of the process. Sam mtaylor, Elijah, WackoWolf and 3 others 6 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise
DocBlake Posted June 27, 2016 #59 Posted June 27, 2016 I think it looks great, Brian! Canute, Elijah, GuntherMT and 2 others 5 Quote Dave Click on images in posts to view them in full resolution! Click on the builds below and link to the log. Current Builds: -Gaff-Rigged Sloop, 1/4 Scale (3" = 1') -Chapman Water Hoy 1768 by DocBlake - Scratch Build - 1:48 scale -Hannah - 1:32 scale, Scratch-Built Plank-on-Frame Admiralty style -Generic Sharpie by DocBlake. 3/4" = 1' scale. NRG plans. -Fair American 1780 by DocBlake - Lauck Street Shipyard - 1/48 scale - POF -Independence 1775 by DocBlake - Artesania Latina - 5/16" scale -HMS Triton Cross Section by DocBlake - 1/24 scale Completed Builds: -Bomb Vessel Granado 1742 Cross Section - 1:32 Scale Scratch Build -British Capstan circa 1777 by DocBlake - FINISHED - 1:16 Scale -HMS Blandford - Cross Section - Scratch Build -1/32 Scale -17th Century Battle Station by DocBlake - HMS Mordaunt - 1:32 -17th Century Naval Cannon - 1:12 Scale -Royal Navy Ship of the Line Cross Section by DocBlake - (Mamoli's "Constitution") - 1:93 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768, 1/48 scale. -Virginia Pilot Boat "Swift", 1805, 1/50 scale -18th Century Naval Battle Station, 1/24 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768 "Patrick Henry", 1/32 scale, Lauck Street Shipyard, POF, Admiralty Style.
mtaylor Posted June 27, 2016 #60 Posted June 27, 2016 Brian, One thing about scanners.. they don't do exactly 100%. Some stupidity about counterfeiting money.. So... either buy a small ruler or make a small ruler on some paper and scan it with your plans/patterns. I pull the drawing into CorelDraw and adjust that the ruler is correct size, then print. Or... you just copy/print from the scanner/printer (assuming it's an all in one device) and adjust the size as you print. Your foredeck came out great in spite of the problems. Ponto, src, WackoWolf and 6 others 9 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
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