Ferit Posted August 10, 2013 Share #841 Posted August 10, 2013 popeye the sailor and riverboat 2 Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Script Posted August 10, 2013 Share #842 Posted August 10, 2013 Hi Adam, I think I'm the one who is confused…... When you go 1 or 2 pages back you are seeing pictures that I posted. It's all about ratlines and ratlines and ratlines and ratlines….. Adam? Ferit 1 Quote Completed Robert E Lee, Misisssippi riverboat Completed, HMS Victory Bow Section Completed, Wells Fargo Stagecoach...Picasa album.... Completed, Lackawanna tugboat converted to private yacht... Completed: Sopwith Camel, 1:16 Scale, Model Airways...at another location... Completed: 1961 Ferrari F-1 Sharknose Completed: (sorta) OcCre BR-18 Locomotive Completed: 1/35 Pz.KPfw.III Completed: Allerton Steam Pumper circa 1869 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted August 10, 2013 Author Share #843 Posted August 10, 2013 I'm sorry, I'm sorry , I'm sorry I needed other glasses…... Jim Jim Jim Jim Script and riverboat 2 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarvalley Posted August 11, 2013 Share #844 Posted August 11, 2013 I'm tying ratlines in a flurry... little pieces of thread are getting snipped here and tied there... I'll be done... I hope... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted August 11, 2013 Author Share #845 Posted August 11, 2013 Then you are further then me Randy, I have stopped for a few days because I'm not feeling 100 % Maybe a summer cold…... First thing in the morning I have to see a doctor…... Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverboat Posted August 11, 2013 Share #846 Posted August 11, 2013 Take it easy Sjors, hope you are starting to feel better. Quote completed build: Delta River Co. Riverboat HMAT SUPPLY USRC "ALERT" in progress: Red Dragon (Chinese junk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted August 11, 2013 Share #847 Posted August 11, 2013 Sorry to hear you're not feeling well Sjors - I hope you get well soon. The ships are patient and so are we, and if you're sick, then at least you-know-who won't be bugging you for pictures! trippwj 1 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted August 11, 2013 Share #848 Posted August 11, 2013 Get well really soon! Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted August 12, 2013 Share #849 Posted August 12, 2013 Get well soon, Sjors. And no, we won't ask to see a picture of you being sick.. Hmm... so right now, those who need to do ratlines can have either rigging spiders, or gnomes do them. Right? Who does the best work..the spiders or the gnomes? lb0190 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted August 12, 2013 Share #850 Posted August 12, 2013 so let me get this into perspective.........you keep them in a fenced in community.......can't be your back yard {I've seen it}, because you don't have any sub housing near by. they have a bigger one called jim, teaching them to smoke a pipe......some may have taken the bait, because they're bumping into the fence......disoriented elves can be dangerous......watch out. were they brought into your country without being checked for any illnesses? bearded mites?........mushroom spores? {they love to hang around fungus}. you need to be careful. take care of that cold.....if that's what you have......did a doctor tell you that? could be confused with spotted mushroom fever...no known cure, you know........there's no telling where these buggers have been. when they come over, set up a triage so they can be properly disinfected. is your name not Bruce? no...it's Michael...... that's going to cause a bit of confusion,......mind if we call you Bruce to keep it clear trippwj and mtaylor 2 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted August 12, 2013 Share #851 Posted August 12, 2013 Sjors, I am very proud of you...you have tackled the evil rat lines and conquered them!!! Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted August 12, 2013 Author Share #852 Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) Thanks you all for your concerns…... I contacted the Doctor and I have no Gnome fever…….. I have probably a strained muscle in the chest and a little cold. 2 paracetamols and easy going….. So, I can later this day back to the ratlines. Maybe that will helps. @ Popeye, You have a colourful way of writing The place of the Gnomes are not in our backyard but that from the neighbours who are on holiday now…... And they have take two of those Gnomes with them @ Robbyn Welcome back to the family ! I hope you had a wonderful time and a very good wedding. And how does it feel to be married ? And your husband allow you to sit behind the computer to check with your friends ? When do you give us the link that we can see pictures of that? The ratlines are going steady but there are a lot more of those….. Edited August 12, 2013 by Sjors Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted August 12, 2013 Share #853 Posted August 12, 2013 Glad to hear its not Gnome Flu Sjors. A strained muscle in the chest eh? Must have been from laughing too hard at Mobbsie during our Skype chat! :P Sjors 1 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarvalley Posted August 12, 2013 Share #854 Posted August 12, 2013 A strained chest muscle huh? I told you ratlines were dangerous... I knew it! trippwj, mtaylor and Sjors 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippwj Posted August 12, 2013 Share #855 Posted August 12, 2013 Sjors - Pleased to know that you are not suffering any of the gnome-related ailments. The strained muscle, while painful, is certainly less worrisome! I feared that you may transfer the Gnomeitis to wabbits, resulting in rapid proliferation across the globe. WHEW!!! Please practice care - remember, it is always better to climb an additional ratline to tie the next one than to try and stretch beyond your limits. You may need to rely more on the gnomes for the upper lines to avoid additional strain! Sjors 1 Quote WayneNeither should a ship rely on one small anchor, nor should life rest on a single hope.Epictetus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted August 12, 2013 Share #856 Posted August 12, 2013 Thanks for the welcome home Sjors. Pics are linked on my SF build. Glad to hear it is only a minor ailment and it wont keep you down for long. Your neighbors took two gnomes with them??????? Sorry, I find that just a bit disturbing...to me gnomes are a bit like clowns...a little too creepy for my tastes lol. trippwj 1 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted August 12, 2013 Author Share #857 Posted August 12, 2013 Thanks you all... Yes Grant, I think I laugh to loud and to hard when we are on Skype…... But when I'm laughing now, it hurts……so I'm very serious at the moment :mellow: @ Robbyn, My neighbours are having two kids and they are young and just looks like Gnomes I have posted a replay on the longboat all ready And then the wabbits from Kevin…... What are they doing here????? They swimming from England to Holland ?????? Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted August 12, 2013 Author Share #858 Posted August 12, 2013 I'm serious again…... The ratlines at the port side at the main mast are done. And a few pics to let you know that I'm telling the true….. Adrieke, Script, Ferit and 9 others 12 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted August 12, 2013 Share #859 Posted August 12, 2013 Nicely done mate, only another 17,000 knots left, mobbsie Script and Sjors 2 Quote mobbsie All mistakes are deliberate ( me ) Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle Completed Builds :- Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ), Granado Cross Section 1/48 Harwich Bawley, Restoration, Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration, Will Everard 1/67 Billings HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft Kit, HM Brig Badger, HM Bomb Vessel Granado, Thames Steam Launch Louise, Thames Barge Edme, Viking Dragon Boat Next Build :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted August 12, 2013 Author Share #860 Posted August 12, 2013 Thanks Mobbsie, And indeed, a few knots left Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverboat Posted August 12, 2013 Share #861 Posted August 12, 2013 You are getting real good at that.... . Quote completed build: Delta River Co. Riverboat HMAT SUPPLY USRC "ALERT" in progress: Red Dragon (Chinese junk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted August 12, 2013 Share #862 Posted August 12, 2013 BTW, your ratlines look great, the nightmare was over... Here come the day dreams... Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted August 12, 2013 Author Share #863 Posted August 12, 2013 Thanks Ferit, Tomorrow the starboard side…. Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarvalley Posted August 12, 2013 Share #864 Posted August 12, 2013 looking great Sjors... you're catching up... I couldn't tie any today... maybe tomorrow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted August 13, 2013 Share #865 Posted August 13, 2013 Nice job on them......I didn't doubt you for an instant! be careful...it's a good thing you didn't pull a muscle in your gluetious maximus....you'd really be in a bind! Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted August 13, 2013 Share #866 Posted August 13, 2013 Nice ratlines... pity the rats don't know how to tie those since they're named after them. Sjors and Ferit 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted August 13, 2013 Author Share #867 Posted August 13, 2013 Thanks Randy, Popeye and Mark, @ Randy, Shall we both doing a few ratlines today ? @ Popeye, No, they don't dress the kids like that but they are little and they have white/ blond hair . That's why I'm saying that they are Gnomes……. @ Mark, Thanks. I know the " things " that are tying those ratlines having different names... Spiders, Gnomes, Meercats,wabbits,and you want rats? Ok, we also take rats Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted August 13, 2013 Share #868 Posted August 13, 2013 Sjors she looks lovely Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted August 13, 2013 Author Share #869 Posted August 13, 2013 Thanks Kevin. Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarvalley Posted August 13, 2013 Share #870 Posted August 13, 2013 Later this morning my day will get really exciting.... waiting in a car shop with a daughters car for a few wonderful fun-filled hours so afterward i might have the energy to do a few ratlines. Your ratlines look great Sjors... obviously a muscle pull won't keep a Netherlander down eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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