gjdale Posted April 13, 2013 Share #331 Posted April 13, 2013 Nice picture Sjors - it really shows off the two-tone timber stripes very well. Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted April 14, 2013 Share #332 Posted April 14, 2013 nice to see some progress Sjors.......those lids are pretty fiddldy work Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted April 14, 2013 Author Share #333 Posted April 14, 2013 Thanks Grant and Popeye, @ Grant, Anja and I where talking about you last night, that you where not much on the forum. Glad to see you back! Hope everything is all right? And yes indeed, you can see clearly the difference between the wood @ Popeye, It's fiddly work but when you have one done, the rest goes easier…. 3 done and 40 to go…... Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocean clipper Posted April 14, 2013 Share #334 Posted April 14, 2013 (edited) Sjors nice going lids are not so bad more tedious then anything,how many you got to do,(72 on me Vic) i think..Well a photo lol could do with a few more,no thats not a complaint,keep up the good friend .I just had a thought your photos are like your buses you never get any then 3 turn up together. DEREK Edited April 14, 2013 by ocean clipper Quote current build HMS Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted April 14, 2013 Author Share #335 Posted April 14, 2013 Hoi Derek, I think I have to do about 60 or something like that. I don't want to count them…. But it looks a lot different when they are on it. Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted April 14, 2013 Author Share #336 Posted April 14, 2013 The first row of gunport lids are on the ship The first two pictures shows you the rope that goes into the lid. Then the other pictures shows you the chainplates and gun port lids on the port side. Now I have to go to the lower row…... I don't think that's gonna be today because the garden is shouting for me….. Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wim500 Posted April 14, 2013 Share #337 Posted April 14, 2013 Sjors, All those guns, gunports and gunlids are looking good, impressive. Quote Cheers,WimCurrent build: Creole Queen scratchbuild and Korean Turtle War Ship Finished: King of the Mississippi, Bon Retour, Chinese Pirate Junk, Nave EgiziaNext builds: Gundeck Vasa; Bounty (bashed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted April 14, 2013 Share #338 Posted April 14, 2013 What's this.. Sjors posting multiple photos.. of progress on his ship? (which does look pretty good BTW ) ANdy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john46 Posted April 14, 2013 Share #339 Posted April 14, 2013 Getting more and more impressive. Happy gardening Sjors. Regards, John Quote <span style='font-family: courier new'>In progress: <a class='bbc_url' href='http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/177-king-of-the-mississippi-artesania-latina-scale-180/'>King of the Mississippi</a></span><br /> <br /> <span style='font-family: courier new'>Completed : <a class='bbc_url' href='http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/176-mare-nostrum-4331-artesania-latina-scale-135/'>Mare Nostrum 4331</a></span><br /> <span style='font-family: courier new'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/51-16th-century-galeass-imai-scale-1160/'>16th century Galeass</a></span><br /> <span style='font-family: courier new'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://members.upc.nl/carla.en.john/Modelbouw/Rocket.htm'>George Stephenson Rocket Locomotive</a></span><br /> <br /> <span style='font-family: courier new'>Next build : sl Louise</span> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmil Posted April 14, 2013 Share #340 Posted April 14, 2013 Hey Sjors, it's good to see some progress. Your work is most impressive! Quote Thanks, Patrick YouTube Channel for fun: Patrick's Scale Studio Finished: Model Shipways US Brig Niagara I Love Kit USS Curtis Wilbur DDG-54 Current: Trumpeter USS Yorktown CV-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted April 14, 2013 Author Share #341 Posted April 14, 2013 Thanks Wim, Andy ,John , Patrick and Grant, Thanks guy's @ Andy, I know it is much but can you handle it so many once at the time? If not please say so…... @ John, Gardening is all ready over We did the front garden and that is enough….. So maybe later a few more gun lids. @ Patrick, It looks impressive but with the cotton canon balls it looks like a lion without teeth…. @ Grant, You make me shy. We are hoping that you are not in a lot of pain. Take your time and when you are up to date, we see you back at the workshop. We are happy that we can see you some times at the forum... Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted April 14, 2013 Share #342 Posted April 14, 2013 Now that's a LOT of nice, nice work. Those little fiddly lids make a BIG difference. Congrats to you and Anja. All this work and a garden as well......I'm impressed! Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippwj Posted April 14, 2013 Share #343 Posted April 14, 2013 Very nice job on those, Captain. She is looking to be a very pretty (although toothless ) ship! augie 1 Quote WayneNeither should a ship rely on one small anchor, nor should life rest on a single hope.Epictetus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted April 14, 2013 Author Share #344 Posted April 14, 2013 Hi Augie & Wayne, @ Augie, we don't do a lot in the garden. Just removing the weed and then our neighbours invite us for coffee….. It was nice in the sunshine Good luck with the snow! @ Wayne, Thanks, how was your supper? A lot of Irish Beer? And now an headache? Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Script Posted April 14, 2013 Share #345 Posted April 14, 2013 Sjors, Your ship is looking great! I know it's probably tooo late for my suggestion but I'll say it anyway.....When I did my hatch lines on my HMS Victory bow section, I first used spray starch to stiffen the line before installation. Then I glued the hatches open and attached the stiffened line thru the hole in the planking and fastened it to the hatch. That way, each line looks like it is under tension, holding the hatch up. Maybe yours are working hatches.....Anyway, I know they will look fine, just wanted to document my method in case I forget. There may be a day when I build something with rigging and hatches again..... Cheers, Jim Quote Completed Robert E Lee, Misisssippi riverboat Completed, HMS Victory Bow Section Completed, Wells Fargo Stagecoach...Picasa album.... Completed, Lackawanna tugboat converted to private yacht... Completed: Sopwith Camel, 1:16 Scale, Model Airways...at another location... Completed: 1961 Ferrari F-1 Sharknose Completed: (sorta) OcCre BR-18 Locomotive Completed: 1/35 Pz.KPfw.III Completed: Allerton Steam Pumper circa 1869 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted April 14, 2013 Share #346 Posted April 14, 2013 YEA!!! Pictures at last....I must say they were well worth the wait. Looks VERY nice Sjors!! Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted April 14, 2013 Author Share #347 Posted April 14, 2013 Thanks Jim, I know what you mean but yes, mine you have to open and close ….. They are open and they stay that way! I have drilled a hole into the hull and put the wire in it, then a little knot and I pulled it back, Then a tiny hole into the lid and do the same thing. It works, only I'm gonna be crazy because a lot of hinges are coming loose…... It's almost impossible to glue them on to the lid. But i did the port side. There all there know…... Maybe someone else good do it better , but I'm happy with it! Tomorrow the final pictures of that because it's to dark at the moment. Robbyn, Yes finally pictures And tomorrow more! I'm happy that you not wait for nothing Now you can sleep peaceably again? [/url] Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbuilder101 Posted April 14, 2013 Share #348 Posted April 14, 2013 Gun port lids are looking great! I don't want to rush my build, but I'm looking forward to when I get to the 'fiddly' bits. Looking forward to mor pictures! Quote Sherry Every goodbye is the birth of a memory... Current Build: San Felipe Finished Builds: Mayflower Build Log Gallery: Mayflower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussben Posted April 14, 2013 Share #349 Posted April 14, 2013 Well done and some great progress there Sjors, you will be in the rigging soon!!! Ben Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Script Posted April 14, 2013 Share #350 Posted April 14, 2013 Sjors, I used CA for the hinges...so far they are all okay...... Jim Quote Completed Robert E Lee, Misisssippi riverboat Completed, HMS Victory Bow Section Completed, Wells Fargo Stagecoach...Picasa album.... Completed, Lackawanna tugboat converted to private yacht... Completed: Sopwith Camel, 1:16 Scale, Model Airways...at another location... Completed: 1961 Ferrari F-1 Sharknose Completed: (sorta) OcCre BR-18 Locomotive Completed: 1/35 Pz.KPfw.III Completed: Allerton Steam Pumper circa 1869 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted April 15, 2013 Share #351 Posted April 15, 2013 very nice Sjors! you've really made some serious progress! Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted April 15, 2013 Author Share #352 Posted April 15, 2013 Thanks Sherry, Ben, Jim and Popeye, The rigging is slowly coming closer…... A few more weeks I think @ Jim, I try everything but nothing works. One thing works fine…..take it easy when you are putting them on Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted April 15, 2013 Author Share #353 Posted April 15, 2013 All the lids are in place at the port side. Here are the promised pictures. janos and Piet 2 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrieke Posted April 15, 2013 Share #354 Posted April 15, 2013 well done Quote Current builds : HMS Bounty, Constructo Pilar Next build : undecided On the Shelf : AL San Juan, Mamoli HMS Victory Builds on hold : Ochre Gorch Fock, Hachette/Amati Black Pearl Previous Builds Gallery : Virginia; King of Mississippi Previous Builds logs : AL King of Mississippi 1/80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted April 15, 2013 Share #355 Posted April 15, 2013 Well... that looks like your Starboard side.... but well done.... Now... like many hobbie tasks... spend hours working on one small detail part... then repeat...400 times... or is that 4000.... how many ratline on that ship to tie? Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted April 15, 2013 Author Share #356 Posted April 15, 2013 Adrieke thank you! @ Andy, I know that I say something wrong but thank you for pointing me on that. STARBOARD SIDE!!!! Ratlines……I have look at the drawing and I stop counting till I'm at 1000 ratlines…... So maybe a few more HELP! Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted April 15, 2013 Share #357 Posted April 15, 2013 Impressive! Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john46 Posted April 15, 2013 Share #358 Posted April 15, 2013 Really great Sjors. Regards, John Quote <span style='font-family: courier new'>In progress: <a class='bbc_url' href='http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/177-king-of-the-mississippi-artesania-latina-scale-180/'>King of the Mississippi</a></span><br /> <br /> <span style='font-family: courier new'>Completed : <a class='bbc_url' href='http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/176-mare-nostrum-4331-artesania-latina-scale-135/'>Mare Nostrum 4331</a></span><br /> <span style='font-family: courier new'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/51-16th-century-galeass-imai-scale-1160/'>16th century Galeass</a></span><br /> <span style='font-family: courier new'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://members.upc.nl/carla.en.john/Modelbouw/Rocket.htm'>George Stephenson Rocket Locomotive</a></span><br /> <br /> <span style='font-family: courier new'>Next build : sl Louise</span> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted April 15, 2013 Author Share #359 Posted April 15, 2013 Thanks John, I know Augie Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted April 15, 2013 Share #360 Posted April 15, 2013 @ Andy, I know that I say something wrong but thank you for pointing me on that. STARBOARD SIDE!!!! Ratlines……I have look at the drawing and I stop counting till I'm at 1000 ratlines…... So maybe a few more HELP! I please to aim I know what you meant Just me trying to be helpfull... although as for your ratline issue... I'm sure some time, when I get home again, I'll be involved with them myself.. but all I can offer is sympathie... and the odd joke... Andy Sjors and trippwj 2 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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