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Posted

This image from Vallejogallery shows an obvious change or repair. if you look at the shrouds you can see the new brighter wire.

 

I have been doing some further tests with the new brass wire.

 

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the top and bottom cables are from the aft funnel the second cable from the bottom is as close as I have come yet to replicating the Bassett Lowke cables it is made from

a) 4 sets of 34 gauge non tarnishing brass colored wire

B) each set is 15 inches long twisted with 80 turns clockwise

c) the 4 sets are then combined and twisted with 50 turn anticlockwise 

 

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The second cable from the top is made from 3 lengths of 28 gauge brass non tarnishing brass wire wound clockwise 80 turns and given a smear of brown Pebeo Vitrail stain for colored glass, I dipped the wire then immediately wiped it off once with a tissue it leaves an tinted aged look to the brass.

 

Michael

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.

Posted

Michael, suggest you label each trial cable so you can duplicate it later on.  I've got several small coils of rigging line labeled for number of strands of what initial size, just in case.  3 X 4 of .008  or # 5 linen, or whatever.

Posted

Druxey triggered a memory of something I read ... oil and heat might do the trick ...

Carl

"Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson
Search and you might find a log ...

 

Posted

 

Would gentle heating of the wire 'tint' it?

Druxey that was a brilliant Idea.

 

I got up this morning and while waiting for the kettle to boil, I laid a length of assembled cable on the ceramic top of our kitchen stove set the burner to low and watched the heat cycle on and off as it does after about 5 cycles the wire did in fact turn a tint of a more aged look.

 

top-untreated

middle-heated

bottom-off the ship

 

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The photograph shows the effect clearly, now it just becomes a matter of adjusting the timing.

 

Carl as noted above the heat works well and is a lot less messy than any form of dipping or coating.

 

Thank you very much gentlemen for your suggestions.

 

Michael

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.

Posted

 

I have a hot-air soldering gun that I use for this purpose. One can set the desired temperature,

Wefalck can you provide details of your tool, manufacturer etc?

 

Michael

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.

Posted

Michael, looks like you have a winner.  Well done.

 

Bob

Every build is a learning experience.

 

Current build:  SS_ Mariefred

 

Completed builds:  US Coast Guard Pequot   Friendship-sloop,  Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard,   Spray,   Grand-Banks-dory

                                                a gaff rigged yawl,  HOGA (YT-146),  Int'l Dragon Class II,   Two Edwardian Launches 

 

In the Gallery:   Catboat,   International-Dragon-Class,   Spray

Posted

it will even hold the 'twist' better .............definitely a super idea  :)

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

Posted

Thanks for all the positive comments and feedback.

 

I am now satisfied with the color and the lay of the wire to match the Bassett Lowke cables

 

This is the final lay up 

 

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And how I achieved it first wind up the 4 sets of 3 in clockwise direction

 

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next set the wound sets onto the hook

 

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then wind up the set of 4 anti clockwise

 

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These beginning lengths of 15 inches shrink down to 12 inches of usable cable for the funnels, after the ends are snipped off.

 

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There are only 2 aft mast shrouds that need replacing, so I will need to make a couple of longer lengths for those.

 

Michael

 

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.

Posted (edited)

Michael, I fished it out of Chinese waters from the well-known bay. Not sure, who the manufacturer are. Here is an identical example:

 

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These hot-air soldering stations are used for what is called SMD (Surface Mount Device) soldering of circuit boards. You can get them for around 60 USD/EUR and they have temperature range of 100°C to 450°C. Apart from soldering, of course, I use mine e.g. for blueing and tempering small steel parts and for producing oxidation colours on other metals, such as brass and copper.

Edited by wefalck

wefalck

 

panta rhei - Everything is in flux

 

 

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Posted

Wefalck, thank you for this. I have not seen this type of tool before, I will definitely look into getting one.

 

Michael

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.

Posted

Michael, I originally bought it with the idea of 'contactless' soft-soldering, i.e. that one does not need to touch delicate items set-up for soldering, but now use it for all sorts of heating purposes. I even use it a full power to heat up bigger items for hard-soldering and hardening before going at them with my gas soldering-torch. Saves on gas and allows more even heating.

wefalck

 

panta rhei - Everything is in flux

 

 

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Posted

No, had no need (yet), but I think it would be good for such things as well. As the lowest temperature is 100°C it could be also used (judisciously) for heating plastics for bending. I also use it for loosening they stuck lids of paint tins, for heat-shrinking etc.

wefalck

 

panta rhei - Everything is in flux

 

 

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Posted (edited)

I had a look at the paint on the funnels today in the natural daylight, following Druxey's suggestion of cutting through the top layer(s) of paint this is what I found.

 

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So some history is revealed, this is a guess.

Working up from the lowest layer which seems closer to the top color.

 

a-bottom original

b-middle possible smoke discolored or an off coloured repair, I am open for other opinions on this.

c-top a last repair working to match the original.

 

The top color is pretty close to the original but the person doing the repair looks like they used the same brush that they painted the fence in the back yard with.

 

And yes to be fair, initially I used a rather heavy sanding stick.

 

Michael

Edited by michael mott

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.

Posted

Opinion? Strip all the paint and repaint (with airbrush!) to match the original color. Keep photographic record of these archaeological stratae to go with your treatment report. Overpainting yet again is not a pretty option.

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Posted

perhaps a paint stripper might be better than sanding.

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

Posted

Yes and no. There could be some wood-filler underneath that would go with the acetone/paint-stripper, then requiring a big puttying and sanding job. I would try to remove all metal-work and then sand to a smooth finish. You then can spray-paint directly on the remaining paint. If you intend to use a solvent-based paint, you should also test for compatibility before spray-painting on the old paint.

wefalck

 

panta rhei - Everything is in flux

 

 

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Posted

 

Strip all the paint and repaint (with airbrush!) to match the original color. Keep photographic record of these archaeological stratae to go with your treatment report. Overpainting yet again is not a pretty option.

Druxey this is the direction I was leaning in. I do have an airbrush, the funnel is entirely metal pretty much all brass.

 

I will after stripping give it a fine coat of Zinc Chromate primer before applying the colors. All of the stay eyes are through holes then bent on the inside so all of these will also be removed.

 

 

Would an air eraser be too aggressive?

Roger, I do not have an air eraser and do have acetone which on brass will work well enough and if it has difficulty with any of the paint I will use Lacquer thinner which I also have.

 

Thank you all for your suggestions and input, it really is helpful to hear your opinions and Ideas on this area.

 

Yesterday before we went into the city I glued up the boat deck.

 

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After setting overnight I just removed the clamps to see the next milestone achieved.

 

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An additional thank you to all who are visiting quietly it is encouraging to see the interest in this project.

 

Michael

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.

Posted (edited)

looks great Michael!   the crack is virtually gone!   there are a couple small chunks missing.......how are you going to fill them?

 

this is such a huge undertaking........the interest in this alone is enormous!

Edited by popeye the sailor

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

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