GrandpaPhil Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share #421 Posted February 9, 2020 Two half finished carronade sleds: VTHokiEE, Old Collingwood, Edwardkenway and 3 others 6 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share #422 Posted February 9, 2020 Thanks, Vthokee! I’m very happy with how they are turning out. VTHokiEE, Old Collingwood and CDW 3 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted February 10, 2020 Share #423 Posted February 10, 2020 They look perfectly to scale - some canons in kits that I have seen (and used) have been way over scale. OC. GrandpaPhil 1 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share #424 Posted February 10, 2020 Looking at them, next to the ones that came in the kit, you can really see the difference. The ones Mantua provided were way oversized for the upper deck. I’m glad that I decided to make the rest myself. I’m very happy with how they are turning out. Old Collingwood, EricWilliamMarshall and VTHokiEE 3 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share #425 Posted February 10, 2020 I made the decision that I am going to run a reduced version of the outhaul tackle and the breech rope on the guns on the upper gun deck. They won’t really be visible, but they will be there. EricWilliamMarshall, Old Collingwood, VTHokiEE and 1 other 4 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted February 10, 2020 Share #426 Posted February 10, 2020 Hi, Agree with your approach to gun tackle. I have problems at 1/48 scale. The thought of working smaller gives me nightmares. Sam. Old Collingwood and GrandpaPhil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted February 11, 2020 Author Share #427 Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) The carronades are test fitted on their sleds: And test mounted on the Victory: The deck blocks need to be thicker. Edited February 11, 2020 by GrandpaPhil KurtH, Tom E, Henke and 8 others 11 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted February 11, 2020 Share #428 Posted February 11, 2020 Excellent work. OC. GrandpaPhil and FriedClams 2 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted February 11, 2020 Author Share #429 Posted February 11, 2020 Thanks, OC! Old Collingwood 1 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daliab Posted February 11, 2020 Share #430 Posted February 11, 2020 Recently read through you entire build. Enjoyed the trip. What caught my eye was your reference to a book entitled Historic Ship Models by Wolfram Zu Mondfeld.... so much so I ordered it off the internet for $8. For $8 who could go wrong. Thanks for following my Victory build and all your positive comments. Should have the copper tiles completed today! GrandpaPhil, EricWilliamMarshall and Old Collingwood 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted February 11, 2020 Author Share #431 Posted February 11, 2020 I’m glad that you enjoyed the build log. I’ve learned a lot from this build. Zu Monfeld’s book is my personal favorite quick reference for model ship building. I’ve read it so many times that I‘ve had to replace it twice. Well done on the copper tiling! CDW, Daliab and Old Collingwood 3 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share #432 Posted February 14, 2020 Note to self person: if I’m going to use acrylic paint on pieces made from card, then perhaps I should consider sealing said parts first to avoid problems with them delaminating and generally falling apart. Seriously though, I had the same problem with the gun carriages on the Prince de Neufchatel too, so if you plan on making models from card then I would recommend sealing prior to painting. Old Collingwood 1 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwz Posted February 14, 2020 Share #433 Posted February 14, 2020 Enamel paint seems to adhere better to plastic card? Could save time priming with acrylic if that helps... GrandpaPhil and Old Collingwood 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted February 16, 2020 Author Share #434 Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) Thank you all for the comments and the likes! For this week’s episode of And Now For Something Completely Different, we have an M5A1 Staurt in 28mm Scale: I had to build it. It did not come with decals, so I freehanded the markings. Edited February 16, 2020 by GrandpaPhil Duanelaker, Daliab, Retired guy and 3 others 6 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted February 16, 2020 Author Share #435 Posted February 16, 2020 And now back to our regularly scheduled program: I have the gun carriages mostly painted. I am attaching the guns. Once those are done, I will add eyebolts, and all remaining iron strapping, then finalize the paint. HIPEXEC, Retired guy, BLACK VIKING and 5 others 8 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired guy Posted February 16, 2020 Share #436 Posted February 16, 2020 Nice one Phil got to have something completely different now and then 😁👍 Regards Richard GrandpaPhil 1 Quote Current build: Bluenose by Retired guy - Model Shipways - scale 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted February 16, 2020 Share #437 Posted February 16, 2020 Another great diversion Phil 👍😃 GrandpaPhil 1 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share #438 Posted February 18, 2020 I’ve been working on the cannon and carronades. All barrels are glued to their carriages or sled as appropriate. I made the jackscrews for the carronades. I started making the iron banding. I’ll make the eyebolts for the breeches on the cannon because of the diameter of the line that will be used for a breeching line. I am using the Tichy eyebolts for the eyebolts going on the carriages. I will install those after I finish all paint work. As a quick side note, the deck block, which is part of the ship’s framing, will be getting repainted brown. I did, however come to the decision to make the block and tackle systems, provided I have room. The guns going into the upper gun deck will only have breech ropes and inhaul tackle, but I am intending to fully rig the quarter and spar deck guns/carronades. I bought the double blocks from Model Expo last week. Retired guy, Matt D, BLACK VIKING and 7 others 10 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithAug Posted February 18, 2020 Share #439 Posted February 18, 2020 You are a glutton for punishment Phil. So many small and detailed guns, I admire your dedication. FriedClams, GrandpaPhil, Old Collingwood and 1 other 4 Quote Keith Current Build:- Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24 Previous Builds:- Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/ Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702 J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029 Other Topics Nautical Adventures http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daliab Posted February 19, 2020 Share #440 Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) Received the book Saturday that you recommended entitled Historic Ship Models by Wolfram Zu Mondfeld. You were right.... the book is very informative and read half of it the first night. Lots of information that you can use on the Victory and other builds. Lots of little things that you wouldn't think of to put that extra bit of detail on your model. Thanks again for the recommendation. Edited February 19, 2020 by Daliab GrandpaPhil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share #441 Posted February 19, 2020 You’re welcome! Daliab 1 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted February 19, 2020 Share #442 Posted February 19, 2020 Very nice work on the cannons.👍 GrandpaPhil, FriedClams and Daliab 3 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDEWAYS SAM Posted February 19, 2020 Share #443 Posted February 19, 2020 Enjoying your work on the cannons. And your attention to detail. I usually have to replace cannon, gratings and some blocks. A few kits tend to supply the nearest obtainable (usually oversize). Keep up the good work. Sam. GrandpaPhil and Daliab 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share #444 Posted February 20, 2020 Thank you everyone for the comments and the likes! I am having a blast with this build. It is giving me the opportunity to try out new techniques for my next builds, without having to worry about making mistakes. The hull is twisted, which cannot be fixed, so I am using the Victory as a learning tool and having a lot of fun in the process. I will have to revise my carriage making techniques for next time because of some difficulties with the card stock delaminating. For my next build, during the creation and assembly of my bulkheads and center keel, I want to try to make a deck insert in the lower part of the hull, like Chris Watton does, to give the hull more rigidity and hopefully prevent the twisting issues that I have had in my last two builds, while ensuring that my bulkheads are squared off prior to gluing. I am also going to make a proper building board next time to ensure proper support for the center keel. Duanelaker, FriedClams, EricWilliamMarshall and 1 other 4 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daliab Posted February 20, 2020 Share #445 Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, GrandpaPhil said: Thank you everyone for the comments and the likes! I am having a blast with this build. It is giving me the opportunity to try out new techniques for my next builds, without having to worry about making mistakes. The hull is twisted, which cannot be fixed, so I am using the Victory as a learning tool and having a lot of fun in the process. I will have to revise my carriage making techniques for next time because of some difficulties with the card stock delaminating. For my next build, during the creation and assembly of my bulkheads and center keel, I want to try to make a deck insert in the lower part of the hull, like Chris Watton does, to give the hull more rigidity and hopefully prevent the twisting issues that I have had in my last two builds, while ensuring that my bulkheads are squared off prior to gluing. I am also going to make a proper building board next time to ensure proper support for the center keel. GrandPhil Trying to learn from other's mistakes..... I'm trying get wrap my head around how your last two builds have became twisted. Was the mistake due to not having a brace holding the keel straight? Before I started the build on my Victory, there were lots of cautions about how to prevent builds from getting twisted. A couple of causes from what I read was not ensuring the keel was straight and the other was in the planking process. Planking: Only do a few planks on one side and then plank the opposite side in the same manner. As for the keel, I made my own keel clamp from pictures of someone else's on this website. (would give credit if I remembered who). I left the build in the vice until I was almost finished planking. Haven't had any issues that I can see. Message me and I can provide you additional pictures and text to make your own if you would like. Hope this helps you in the next build. Edited February 20, 2020 by Daliab GrandpaPhil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share #446 Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) I had three things working against me for this build. The first is that the kit dates from 1991 and the plywood was not the greatest. The second is that I did not use a building board (so it was unbraced). The third was my own inexperience. I know much more now than when I started. For the Prince de Neufchatel, I used Elmers glue on it, for everything, and it warped badly. For any future card builds, I will use PVA glue, namely Monte Mart, as it is not water based. I did not use a building board for that one either. I will be using a building board for my next build, to ensure that the keel is kept straight. Edited February 20, 2020 by GrandpaPhil Daliab, EricWilliamMarshall, SIDEWAYS SAM and 1 other 4 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duanelaker Posted February 20, 2020 Share #447 Posted February 20, 2020 Just now, GrandpaPhil said: The first is that the kit dates from 1991 and the plywood was not the greatest. Phil, how can you tell the year? I thought I got a great deal on this same victory kit on eBay (cost me $125 total!). Once I received it and opened it up I thought the quality of wood was great, however, everything will need to be cutout with I assume a jig saw as it is not laser or stamped. Was yours? I’m guessing it is late 80’s early 90’s, but I don’t know when they started stamping or precutting the wood. Any idea? Daliab and GrandpaPhil 2 Quote David Builds in Progress: Phantom Pilot Boat - MS Completed Builds: Bounty Jolly Boat - AL Chesapeake Bay Crabbing Skiff - MW Grand Banks Dory - Bluejacket The Dinghy - MW Grand Banks Dory - MW 32 Pound Carronade - MS Skiff - MW Peterboro Canoe - MW On Hold: 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull - NRG Ponte Berlin - Corel Taurus Steam Towboat - MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share #448 Posted February 20, 2020 Mine was first generation laser cut. I found the date on the original sales receipt, in the box. I have a Mantua Constitution from the same time period and it is also printed wood and not precut. Personally, I’d use either a coping saw, a jigsaw or a scroll-saw, depending on how you wanted to cut them out. Don’t get me wrong, for the age of the kit, the quality of the wood was good. However, it was still over 25 years old when I got it. Plus, I bought it from someone in the desert and I live in a temperate zone, with high humidity. I made the problem worse because I started it a couple weeks after I got it, so the wood had no time to season in my climate. Duanelaker 1 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duanelaker Posted February 20, 2020 Share #449 Posted February 20, 2020 I figure I’ll do the same as you and hope for the best and just get better. Plus after cutting all the pieces I’ll have to have gained skills lol. If it comes out half as good as yours I’ll be happy. Your guns look great btw. GrandpaPhil 1 Quote David Builds in Progress: Phantom Pilot Boat - MS Completed Builds: Bounty Jolly Boat - AL Chesapeake Bay Crabbing Skiff - MW Grand Banks Dory - Bluejacket The Dinghy - MW Grand Banks Dory - MW 32 Pound Carronade - MS Skiff - MW Peterboro Canoe - MW On Hold: 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull - NRG Ponte Berlin - Corel Taurus Steam Towboat - MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daliab Posted February 21, 2020 Share #450 Posted February 21, 2020 GrandpaPhil.... here you go for your next build. It works great. 2 pieces held together with stovepipe bolts. Cut a channel that is just smaller than the thickness of your keel. GrandpaPhil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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