garyshipwright Posted November 4, 2022 Share #2161 Posted November 4, 2022 Thanks Chris that makes sense. Will see about getting your paint in the future. Gary mtaylor, thibaultron, Canute and 1 other 4 HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted November 4, 2022 Share #2162 Posted November 4, 2022 12 hours ago, garyshipwright said: You must of done a lot of research on what color's to use but curious mind's at least mine, was wondering why these. Before there was synthetic organic chemistry , begun in Germany in the latter part of the 19th century, paint pigments were naturally occurring minerals. The minerals are the same color today, so there is not much guess work about the colors and the pallet is somewhat limited. In their early monographs, ANCRE included a page with patches of colors. thibaultron, Jack12477, Canute and 3 others 6 NRG member 50 years Current: NMS HMS Ajax 1767 - 74-gun 3rd rate - 1:192 POF exploration - works but too intense -no margin for error HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - POF Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - POF Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - POF framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - POF timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - POF timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 packet hull USN ship - POF timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - POF framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted November 4, 2022 Share #2163 Posted November 4, 2022 Thanks Jaager. Do you know which monographs they were. I have a number of them which I just may go take a look in. Looks like you done your research and thank you very much for the info. Am trying to get colors that are right or least very very close to what was used. Seems there is a lot of them to choose from which lead's to getting the wrong color. Thank you again. Gary thibaultron, chris watton, mtaylor and 1 other 4 HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotrecerf Posted November 4, 2022 Share #2164 Posted November 4, 2022 Hi Garyshipwright, in the ancre monograph of Venus frégate there is included a separate page with a side view of the ship showing the possible contemporary colour scheme. As it is an ancre item I trust that is is based on historical research. rgds Joachim Canute, mtaylor, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Pellett Posted November 4, 2022 Share #2165 Posted November 4, 2022 (edited) A great resource for “antique” colors is Eric Ronnberg’s Article published in the Nautical Research Journal. Ronnberg is a meticulous researcher. The article includes a page of color samples and Ronnberg writes that great care was taken to ensure that the colors were accurately reproduced. Although the article is about Nineteenth Century colors as Jaager points out above many of the colors used in Ronnberg’s article were used in the Eighteenth Century as well. An abridged version of the article, with full color chart is included in Volume II of the Guild’s Shop Notes. Buying the hard copy Shop Notes avoids any color distortions from viewing an online version of the article. Roger Edited November 4, 2022 by Roger Pellett chris watton, Canute, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted November 4, 2022 Author Share #2166 Posted November 4, 2022 (edited) Very first assembly of a brand new design for kit 13. Overall, the fit is great, but some areas need more work... (Baltimore built vessel) Hull length is around 505mm (almost 20"), so quite a bit larger than Speedy Edited November 5, 2022 by chris watton jpalmer1970, p.hoek, realworkingsailor and 34 others 32 5 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reilly Posted November 4, 2022 Share #2167 Posted November 4, 2022 I assume That this is at 1/64th scale but what vessel? Thanks. Dave_E, AJohnson, chris watton and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted November 4, 2022 Author Share #2168 Posted November 4, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, reilly said: I assume That this is at 1/64th scale but what vessel? Thanks. It is 64th scale. I will announce the name of the vessel at a later date. I literally only started this on Monday. I think this is my very first American vessel I have designed! Edited November 4, 2022 by chris watton ccoyle, James H, Ryland Craze and 13 others 16 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted November 4, 2022 Share #2169 Posted November 4, 2022 2 hours ago, chris watton said: (Baltimore built vessel) The framework reminds me of the Pride of Baltimore and, if it's a Baltimore clipper, I'll be ecstatic! I love the beautiful lines of those clippers. thibaultron, James H, hollowneck and 5 others 8 Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted November 4, 2022 Share #2170 Posted November 4, 2022 1 minute ago, BobG said: The framework reminds me of the Pride of Baltimore and, if it's a Baltimore clipper, I'll be ecstatic! I love the beautiful lines of those clippers. I'm very sure there will be many, many happy modellers. thibaultron, catopower, Ryland Craze and 7 others 10 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted November 4, 2022 Share #2171 Posted November 4, 2022 1 minute ago, James H said: I'm very sure there will be many, many happy modellers. Oh man, now I'm even more excited! Can't wait to see what it is! hollowneck, James H, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted November 4, 2022 Author Share #2172 Posted November 4, 2022 It is not Pride of Baltimore. I see no sense in developing kits others have already done, even more so when it's a brand new range. I prefer to do stuff that hasn't been done thus far. Ryland Craze, allanyed, hollowneck and 15 others 18 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted November 4, 2022 Share #2173 Posted November 4, 2022 22 minutes ago, chris watton said: It is not Pride of Baltimore. I see no sense in developing kits others have already done, even more so when it's a brand new range. I prefer to do stuff that hasn't been done thus far. Great news none the less. I'm really glad that you have decided to add an American vessel to your line of models. 👏 chris watton, Paul Le Wol, catopower and 5 others 8 Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Pellett Posted November 5, 2022 Share #2174 Posted November 5, 2022 Better to produce a model of a Baltimore Clipper that actually sailed in the early 1800’s than the Pride of Baltimore. The current Pride of Baltimore differs considerably from the original vessels as the underwater hull lines were modified to increase transverse stability following the loss of the original Pride. Roger mtaylor, Ryland Craze, catopower and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldsalt1950 Posted November 5, 2022 Share #2175 Posted November 5, 2022 Whomever the ship is, we all know that it will be a very interesting and beautiful kit to build and display. Time for a lot of us to determine if we have room for another ship in our abodes. Jim Rustyj, Canute, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Current Build: Fair American - Model Shipways Awaiting Parts - Rattlesnake On the Shelf - English Pinnace 18Th Century Longboat I stand firmly against piracy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjay Posted November 5, 2022 Share #2176 Posted November 5, 2022 Chris, you've got me hitting my resource material trying to figure out the lines of the new venture. The stern looks interesting to me. Maybe a small contest to keep us all busy researching American Clippers is in order. chris watton, Canute, Ryland Craze and 3 others 6 Mark Phoenix, AZ Current builds; Previous builds, in rough order of execution; Shipjack, Peterbrough Canoe, Flying Fish, Half Moon, Britannia racing sloop, Whale boat, Bluenose, Picket boat, Viking longboat, Atlantic, Fair American, Mary Taylor, half hull Enterprise, Hacchoro, HMS Fly, Khufu Solar Boat. On the shelf; Royal Barge, Jefferson Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nipper Posted November 5, 2022 Share #2177 Posted November 5, 2022 Chris - what a brilliant idea for kit 13. A two master, medium sized kit, with beautiful lines. Assuming it's a Baltimore Clipper, then something from the 1812 war could be really attractive on both sides of the ocean and sell like hot cakes! Nipper thibaultron, mtaylor, chris watton and 4 others 7 Current build: HMS Sphinx 1775 - 1/64 - Vanguard Models Completed build: HM Cutter Alert 1777 - 1/64 - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldsalt1950 Posted November 5, 2022 Share #2178 Posted November 5, 2022 Chasseur mtaylor, Canute and thibaultron 3 Current Build: Fair American - Model Shipways Awaiting Parts - Rattlesnake On the Shelf - English Pinnace 18Th Century Longboat I stand firmly against piracy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted November 5, 2022 Author Share #2179 Posted November 5, 2022 Nope..... catopower, Canute, hollowneck and 3 others 5 1 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted November 5, 2022 Share #2180 Posted November 5, 2022 I don't think this one is up for a guessing game. Sometimes it's nice to have a surprise (and no, that's not a clue). thibaultron, hollowneck, Canute and 6 others 4 5 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uss frolick Posted November 5, 2022 Share #2181 Posted November 5, 2022 Ooo ooo! Let me guess! Grecian? chris watton, thibaultron, catopower and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted November 5, 2022 Share #2182 Posted November 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, uss frolick said: Ooo ooo! Let me guess! Grecian? There's no guessing game. Just an early development that will be named in due course. Ryland Craze, Canute, mtaylor and 5 others 8 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reilly Posted November 5, 2022 Share #2183 Posted November 5, 2022 Not guessing but the deck configuration and the shape of the bow reminds me of the letter of marque Lynx. Re-named Musquidobit after the capture by the British. Any Baltimore Clipper design will be beautiful especially designed by Chris. Looking forward to seeing more. Canute, hollowneck, James H and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted November 5, 2022 Share #2184 Posted November 5, 2022 55 minutes ago, reilly said: Any Baltimore Clipper design will be beautiful especially designed by Chris. Their lines are so sleek and and I love the rake of the masts. Gorgeous ships! chris watton, reilly, thibaultron and 2 others 5 Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catopower Posted November 6, 2022 Share #2185 Posted November 6, 2022 I know a secret... 😉 Looking forward to the development of Number 13! Ryland Craze, markjay, thibaultron and 4 others 7 Clare Hess He's a -> "HE" Current Builds HMS Wolf, 1754 - Shipyard Laser Cut Kit Kitamaebune - Japanese Coastal Trade Ship, 18th/19th Centuries - Woody Joe Kit Atakebune - Japanese Sengoku Period Warship - Woody Joe Kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nipper Posted November 7, 2022 Share #2186 Posted November 7, 2022 On 11/5/2022 at 9:19 PM, reilly said: Not guessing but the deck configuration and the shape of the bow reminds me of the letter of marque Lynx. Re-named Musquidobit after the capture by the British. Any Baltimore Clipper design will be beautiful especially designed by Chris. Looking forward to seeing more. This is not a guessing game! But wasn't this the boat on which Patrick O'Brian modelled Jack Aubrey's Ringle? Nipper mtaylor, thibaultron, Canute and 2 others 5 Current build: HMS Sphinx 1775 - 1/64 - Vanguard Models Completed build: HM Cutter Alert 1777 - 1/64 - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian B Posted November 8, 2022 Share #2187 Posted November 8, 2022 Hi Chris Just found out a 50-gun 17C ship was actually built in Lydney Forrest of Dean called the 'Forrester'...she saw lots of action... That could be a great 'local' build not guess not much world attraction LOL Canute, thibaultron, mtaylor and 2 others 5 HMAV Bounty 'Billings' completed ⛵ HMS Cheerful - Syren-Chuck' completed Steam Pinnace 199 'Billings bashed' - completed ⚓ HMS Ledbury F30 --White Ensign -completed 😎 HMS Vanguard 'Victory models'-- completed Bismarck Amati 1/200 --underway 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted November 11, 2022 Author Share #2188 Posted November 11, 2022 Am now on my second prototype hull for the large armed schooner after further fine tuning... OK, today I finally received my Alert premium sail sets (paid for and ordered back in May)! Alert Sail Set – VANGUARD MODELS I have put in another order which should be with me in the New Year. Also, here at last is my Indefatigable pear block and deadeye stock (a lot of blocks and deadeyes)!, so these will be available when the kit is on pre order. I will finish all Indy laser cutting within the next week (damn that's a lot of material), so all that will be left is to wait for Jim to complete the hull. As soon as this is done and have finished updating the manual, I shall release. Finally, I invested in an A0 plotter, so was able to print and send Jim all of the Indy plans, which makes things a little easier for him, especially for masts and yards. Oldsalt1950, AJohnson, ccoyle and 10 others 13 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn-UK Posted November 11, 2022 Share #2189 Posted November 11, 2022 26 minutes ago, chris watton said: Am now on my second prototype hull for the large armed schooner after further fine tuning... OK, today I finally received my Alert premium sail sets (paid for and ordered back in May)! Alert Sail Set – VANGUARD MODELS I have put in another order which should be with me in the New Year. Also, here at last is my Indefatigable pear block and deadeye stock (a lot of blocks and deadeyes)!, so these will be available when the kit is on pre order. I will finish all Indy laser cutting within the next week (damn that's a lot of material), so all that will be left is to wait for Jim to complete the hull. As soon as this is done and have finished updating the manual, I shall release. Finally, I invested in an A0 plotter, so was able to print and send Jim all of the Indy plans, which makes things a little easier for him, especially for masts and yards. All I want for Christmas is an Indy kit. thibaultron, Rustyj, Ronald-V and 5 others 4 4 Glenn (UK) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catopower Posted November 11, 2022 Share #2190 Posted November 11, 2022 2 hours ago, chris watton said: Am now on my second prototype hull for the large armed schooner after further fine tuning... Hi Chris, Baltimore clippers are rather lofty vessels, with the bowsprit and main boom adding probably another 65% to the length of the model. That will probably mean that, overall, #13 will be longer than the Sphinx... maybe 33"/840mm? I'm going to have to rearrange the furniture here... chris watton, mtaylor, Canute and 5 others 6 2 Clare Hess He's a -> "HE" Current Builds HMS Wolf, 1754 - Shipyard Laser Cut Kit Kitamaebune - Japanese Coastal Trade Ship, 18th/19th Centuries - Woody Joe Kit Atakebune - Japanese Sengoku Period Warship - Woody Joe Kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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