Lt. Biggles Posted December 1, 2020 Author #151 Posted December 1, 2020 Hey, I’ve not had much time lately but did finally get all the crew painted. From this To this by the end got pretty good at them. -Cut them off the base, glued any broken legs and arms back on. -Dry brushed blue over the gloss base blue to make them matt. -Painted the white collar details. -Painted faces and hands skin colour including but not limited to: freckles and individual eye colours... not one has the same eye colour 😂! -Painted shoes black. -Made them watch a 15 minute “health and safety” video about the hazards aboard the ship. Will send the last 20 crew on board tomorrow. Will find someone with a good camera and see if I can get some clear detailed shots once it’s finished. Old Collingwood, Egilman, Canute and 5 others 8 Quote
lmagna Posted December 2, 2020 #152 Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Lt. Biggles said: Made them watch a 15 minute “health and safety” video about the hazards aboard the ship That must be one of the differences of the Navy and the Army. We had to watch a "Health and Safety" film about the hazards OUTSIDE of the base! Beautiful build, I like that you took it a notch higher with the addition of crewmen. It really brings life to the ship. Not long there was a build I saw that was a FANTASTICLY realistic build and just begged for the addition of crew. I would have even provided the builder with the crew but there was no way under the circumstances. Edited December 2, 2020 by lmagna Lt. Biggles, Egilman, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Lou Build logs: Colonial sloop Providence 1/48th scale kit bashed from AL Independence Currant builds: Constructo Brigantine Sentinel (Union) (On hold) Minicraft 1/350 Titanic (For the Admiral) 1/350 Heavy Cruiser USS Houston (Resin) Currant research/scratchbuild: Schooner USS Lanikai/Hermes Non ship build log: 1/35th UH-1H Huey
mtaylor Posted December 5, 2020 #153 Posted December 5, 2020 Looking good especially with the crew. I can't imagine trying to paint them at this scale. I bow to the master. Old Collingwood, Egilman, lmagna and 2 others 5 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Lt. Biggles Posted December 8, 2020 Author #154 Posted December 8, 2020 Hey, just a quick update. All the crew are painted and on. thought that they would improve as I got more practice but no stayed pretty consistent but got faster as efficiency increased. They were far too small that any increase in painting quality would mean I would have painted about 5 by now! Which means I’m sorting out the white water and she is complete! Its the most challenging part and am not rushing it, lots of tests and I work on it when in the right mindset as I feel it will make or break the final look of it. I didn’t like the fluffy look the cotton made along the ships side so brushed on a gloss varnish to remove that look so will add another layer as it really changed it. yvesvidal, Old Collingwood, Egilman and 7 others 10 Quote
RGL Posted December 8, 2020 #155 Posted December 8, 2020 That’s the thing about water, the sun and clouds make all the difference in one quick second, it’s so hard to make the perfect water colour mtaylor, Canute, Landlubber Mike and 4 others 7 Quote Greg
Lt. Biggles Posted December 8, 2020 Author #156 Posted December 8, 2020 All those little things make all the difference it’s crazy! I’ve been looking at so many pics and videos about the movement of water that when I’m at the beach I look out over the ocean and the first thing I think is “that looks fake” then I laugh at myself and wonder if I’ve gone abit crazy 😂 Canute, lmagna, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote
Egilman Posted December 8, 2020 #157 Posted December 8, 2020 6 hours ago, Lt. Biggles said: Which means I’m sorting out the white water and she is complete! Its the most challenging part and am not rushing it, lots of tests and I work on it when in the right mindset as I feel it will make or break the final look of it. I didn’t like the fluffy look the cotton made along the ships side so brushed on a gloss varnish to remove that look so will add another layer as it really changed it. Right now given the pics you've posted she looks like she is doing 10-12 knots in the channel or over smooth seas.... the look is perfect... you don't have a ton of wake and no bow or stern wave I would say leave it the way it is.... looks to good to mess with anymore in my humble opinion.... lmagna, Old Collingwood, Landlubber Mike and 4 others 7 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow"
Landlubber Mike Posted December 8, 2020 #158 Posted December 8, 2020 Looks fantastic. I agree with Egilman. Great work!! Old Collingwood, lmagna, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
Lt. Biggles Posted December 9, 2020 Author #159 Posted December 9, 2020 10 hours ago, Egilman said: Right now given the pics you've posted she looks like she is doing 10-12 knots in the channel or over smooth seas.... the look is perfect... you don't have a ton of wake and no bow or stern wave I would say leave it the way it is.... looks to good to mess with anymore in my humble opinion.... Thanks, and spot on. I did the workings out for a bow wave height at 10 kts and her size and for the scale would be 5-9mm high. Which is what I made on the sea base. I agree there isn’t too much white water and am not planning to add much more but would like alittle on the first few Cm of the bow wave that kinda just stops and has abit of residual white just outside the boundary layer white water. A bit like this shot of an American BB (I think) this next shot shows it well but want a much reduced version of this. but you can see the two two different layers of wake well here. I’d like to have about 20% of what’s here. I like how the bow wave white water seems to run out of energy and then gets left behind as it slowly dissipates. lmagna, mtaylor, Landlubber Mike and 3 others 6 Quote
Egilman Posted December 9, 2020 #160 Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Lt. Biggles said: but you can see the two two different layers of wake well here. I’d like to have about 20% of what’s here. I like how the bow wave white water seems to run out of energy and then gets left behind as it slowly dissipates. Yeah it does especially when driving into an approaching sea like those two US battleships are doing.... what causes that bow wake is force throwing the water to the side, that is what a clipper bow is for to turn the water.... Both those ships are above 15 kts at least probably closer to 18, (the South Dakota probably even faster than that) which was normal cruising speed for the fast attack groups in the pacific..... Your ship my friend, all I can say it is looks right on in my humble opinion.... you need some swell in the water to cause a bow wave, and your water is fairly flat and calm.... Beautiful model..... Well done... Old Collingwood, lmagna, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow"
Lt. Biggles Posted December 9, 2020 Author #161 Posted December 9, 2020 56 minutes ago, Egilman said: Yeah it does especially when driving into an approaching sea like those two US battleships are doing.... what causes that bow wake is force throwing the water to the side, that is what a clipper bow is for to turn the water.... Both those ships are above 15 kts at least probably closer to 18, (the South Dakota probably even faster than that) which was normal cruising speed for the fast attack groups in the pacific..... Your ship my friend, all I can say it is looks right on in my humble opinion.... you need some swell in the water to cause a bow wave, and your water is fairly flat and calm.... Beautiful model..... Well done... This is good stuff thanks mate. I’m more than happy to get this right and I’m no expert in the field so please don’t hold back this very useful information I really appreciate it. so maybe I’ve not quite got the sea base correct as I did add a bow wave to it. Here are some pic that make the wave stand out so you can see. I measured angles and all sorts using all the bow wave formulas I could find online. Should that bow wave not exist for a speed of no more than 12 kts? or would it be there just with no white water on it? Its about 5mm high so head on it hardly sticks up. but it is there and shaded to show the light passing through. perhaps the wave is ok and I shouldn’t add white water or it’s too big and has to go. From what you have said so far I’m happy with just the boundary layer and wake having the white water. I’d always thought the bow wave was related to the ships speed as the water the ship is displacing has to go somewhere... so it went sideways. please keep the info coming Landlubber Mike, lmagna, yvesvidal and 4 others 7 Quote
Egilman Posted December 9, 2020 #162 Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) That's not really a bow wave my friend, A bow wave would swamp a small boat encountering one, that's a bow ripple, exactly as it should be.... Something you will never see unless the light hits it just the right way... You post a bow on pic that is absolutely perfect.... You don't need any white water to show action..... If you create a sea state with 5'-20' swells THEN you will have white water, particularly if your running under some power, if you create a ship traveling at 27-30 kts you will have white water and a rooster tail with a huge wake... (and yes battleships could and did put up rooster tails) You have a beautiful depiction of a ship on cruise, easy water and smooth sailing...... But the water is live, the ship is live, together they depict a classic understated power..... Exactly what a classic british battleship should state... You have managed to capture something that few modelers can.... and many try.... I wouldn't change a thing.... It's stunningly beautiful.... Edited December 9, 2020 by Egilman Landlubber Mike, lmagna, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow"
Lt. Biggles Posted December 9, 2020 Author #163 Posted December 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Egilman said: That's not really a bow wave my friend, A bow wave would swamp a small boat encountering one, that's a bow ripple, exactly as it should be.... Something you will never see unless the light hits it just the right way... You post a bow on pic that is absolutely perfect.... You don't need any white water to show action..... If you create a sea state with 5'-20' swells THEN you will have white water, particularly if your running under some power, if you create a ship traveling at 27-30 kts you will have white water and a rooster tail with a huge wake... (and yes battleships could and did put up rooster tails) You have a beautiful depiction of a ship on cruise, easy water and smooth sailing...... But the water is live, the ship is live, together they depict a classic understated power..... Exactly what a classic british battleship should state... You have managed to capture something that few modelers can.... and many try.... I wouldn't change a thing.... It's stunningly beautiful.... Thanks for the input. You have changed my mind on what to do. I’ll fix up the boundary layer wake that has some gaps and also touch up the prop wash area but I’ll not add white water to the “bow ripple” haha. I’ll keep the white water down to a minimum. After seeing pictures of ships going fast and the whole rooster tail wash it’s a mess and would be very hard to replicate well without heaps of practice which is why I went for the cruise look. My intention was having her cruising about quietly confident while looking for trouble type impression. Canute, Egilman, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote
Egilman Posted December 9, 2020 #164 Posted December 9, 2020 14 hours ago, Lt. Biggles said: My intention was having her cruising about quietly confident while looking for trouble type impression. Not so much looking for trouble, but ready for it if it comes..... And my opinion is you've nailed it...... Well done my friend.... mtaylor, Old Collingwood, lmagna and 1 other 4 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow"
Old Collingwood Posted December 10, 2020 #165 Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) It looks perfect to me just as it is - please dont spoil it You know the saying. OC. Edited December 12, 2020 by Old Collingwood Egilman and Canute 2 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
Lt. Biggles Posted December 10, 2020 Author #166 Posted December 10, 2020 4 hours ago, Old Collingwood said: It looks perfect to me just as it is - please dont spoil it You know the saying. oc. Too much of a good thing is an even better thing? Haha Canute, Egilman, Old Collingwood and 1 other 4 Quote
Lt. Biggles Posted December 10, 2020 Author #167 Posted December 10, 2020 10 hours ago, Egilman said: Not so much looking for trouble, but ready for it if it comes..... And my opinion is you've nailed it...... Well done my friend.... I hope she is ready for trouble if it comes as I’ve put brass barrels on her! haha i had to fill in some gaps between ship and water so just did another thin round and tomorrow I’ll go over it and fit it to size with a coat of varnish. thanks again for the tips Egilman, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote
Lt. Biggles Posted December 11, 2020 Author #168 Posted December 11, 2020 With the new information about white water this is the result. hope it’s not over done. Just prop wash to finalise. mtaylor, yvesvidal, Landlubber Mike and 4 others 7 Quote
yvesvidal Posted December 11, 2020 #169 Posted December 11, 2020 Beautifully done. Excellent. Yves Canute, mtaylor, Old Collingwood and 2 others 5 Quote
Landlubber Mike Posted December 11, 2020 #170 Posted December 11, 2020 Fantastic work, just wow! Looks amazing! lmagna, Egilman, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
TomShipModel Posted December 11, 2020 #171 Posted December 11, 2020 This model is truly a work or art! Beautiful and very realistic. mtaylor, Egilman, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Tom Ruggiero Director Nautical Research Guild Member Ship Model Society of New Jersey (Past President)
Egilman Posted December 11, 2020 #172 Posted December 11, 2020 9 hours ago, yvesvidal said: Beautifully done. Excellent. Yves 6 hours ago, Landlubber Mike said: Fantastic work, just wow! Looks amazing! 3 hours ago, TomShipModel said: This model is truly a work or art! Beautiful and very realistic. AMEN Brothers!!!! For a first build, Very, Very, well done..... Something to be proud of.... Canute, mtaylor, Landlubber Mike and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow"
Lt. Biggles Posted December 11, 2020 Author #173 Posted December 11, 2020 Thanks everyone for the kind words and more importantly for the tips and advice that’s been given! I’ve learnt way more than I ever wanted to know about this ship and the sea (in a good way though) I touched up the wake and for a few minutes thought she was finished!! Took some pics in the sun. Then I remembered about the ensign as I’d looked it up but had found no pics of her sailing with one flying until I did find some... so did more research and read the rules and etiquette of flags at sea and it says “an ensign must be flown when in foreign waters during daylight hours” so unless I’ve missed something that’s what I’ll now research and do. Is there any way to find out the correct halyard setup for flying flags and ensigns? All the official plans only have the main rigging but can’t find anything on all the small stuff. That pic shows the flag flying where there is no rope on any plans, drawings or pics I’ve ever seen. mtaylor, Canute, lmagna and 3 others 6 Quote
Old Collingwood Posted December 12, 2020 #174 Posted December 12, 2020 Get her in a case to protect all your superb work for eternity. OC. Lt. Biggles, Canute, Egilman and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
Egilman Posted December 12, 2020 #175 Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) National ensigns at sea fly from the mainmast.... while in port they fly from the sternpost.... The mast that sticks up from the forward superstructure is the foremast and the one from the stern structure is the mainmast.... (doesn't matter the actual size or height of the mast itself) Rules of the sea hundreds of years old.... The names of the masts come from ship building custom, the foremast is always the first mast, the mainmast is usually the second mast on a warship with two or three masts...... The rigging is fairly simple, a flag halyard rises from a stanchion or anchor spot, up to the flag yard or jib boom thru a fairlead/pully and down to the stanchion again... Edited December 12, 2020 by Egilman Lt. Biggles, lmagna, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow"
mtaylor Posted December 12, 2020 #176 Posted December 12, 2020 Beautiful work that captures the mood totally. There's an old saying about artists (and this is art for sure) " Every artist needs a canvas and a critic with a gun. When the work is done, the critic should shoot the artist so he doesn't go too far." You're there. Add your flag and put her in a case or we'll have to send the critic to your workshop. Egilman, Lt. Biggles, Old Collingwood and 2 others 4 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
RGL Posted December 13, 2020 #177 Posted December 13, 2020 What Mr Taylor said Egilman, Old Collingwood, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Greg
Lt. Biggles Posted December 13, 2020 Author #178 Posted December 13, 2020 22 hours ago, mtaylor said: You're there. Add your flag and put her in a case or we'll have to send the critic to your workshop. No need to send the critic!! 😅 You guys are right! I’ll leave her as is and add the flag and call it finished. Im really happy with how she came out. Ive ordered some flags and they will be here next year. Egilman, mtaylor, Old Collingwood and 2 others 5 Quote
mtaylor Posted December 13, 2020 #179 Posted December 13, 2020 13 hours ago, RGL said: What Mr Taylor said Err.... I'm Mark. My dad is Mr. Taylor. Old Collingwood, Egilman, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Lt. Biggles Posted January 8, 2021 Author #180 Posted January 8, 2021 Hey small update, got an email today that the flags I ordered almost a month ago will be shipped next week! The joys of this time of year. Also I finally brought a new camera to replace the one that got stolen while on holiday a year ago so been learning its features and it can take more adventurous photos than my phone so here are a few. Old Collingwood, mtaylor, pjofc4 and 5 others 8 Quote
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