San Ildefonso by Sjors - FINISHED - OcCre - 1:70

[Sjors]

Morning mister patient Augie!

I'm just home from work and I hope you sleep well…...

 

Here is my problem.

As you can see in the pictures the stern thing that is attach to the stern is not correct….

It should be covering those cabins what you can see behind it on top.

I want to lower it but then the deck in the middle is not correct anymore and also the windows are out of range…...

I hope you can still follow it?  I don't….

Or I make a big mistake somewhere or they give me a wrong stern thing ( don't know how to call it )

But what solution can I use?

Any idea's????????

 

Edited June 12, 2013 by Sjors

[Kevin]

do you have a picture of what it should look like

maybe from their web site

[Sjors]

That's a good one Kevin, I'm gonna take a look.

 

[Sjors]

This is what I have.

And this is the only thing that I have….because there are no pictures where you can see how to place it.

Not at the drawings or the internet.

 

[augie]

I see your problem, my friend. I don't think you made a mistake ---- the stern piece just looks too small at the top.

 

Is there anything on the plans to check the piece against?  Perhaps it really is not the correct piece and they can help you.  Otherwise it looks like you need to make a new piece as you really want to leave the windows and doors where they are.

 

Wait and see if you get some other suggestions.  This one is a bit baffling.  I have seen one or two other cases on MSW where similar problems came up with pre-made transoms and I think I remember those folks making new pieces.  At least you do not have a bunch of intricate carvings on that piece.

Edited June 12, 2013 by Augie

[chris watton]

Can you make a new piece using 1mm plywood? Is that stern assembly cast? I ask because I know how much metal casting can shrink compared to the master used.

[Sjors]

Thanks Augie and Chris for your response.

 

@ Augie,

 

You have the same thought as me.

That it was not a mistake I made.

I fit the bulwark good, theer was only one way to do it.

 

I was also thinking about making a new one from plywood…...

 

@ Chris,

 

Yes, this is a metal part……

I will see how the stern gallery's fits and when that's good maybe I can laminate the top of the transom to the railing…...

But that's just a thought…..

I will see if there is more comment coming.

But thanks again both of you for your advise and thinking with me.

 

[Beef Wellington]

Hi Sjors, is it also an option to keep the piece you have, but make some wooden 'bases' for the metal part?  That would allow the metal piece to be lifted up into what looks like correct alignment.  I'm sure you'll figure it out, shes looking good!

[popeye the sailor]

just raise it up and add a bit of wood at the bottom..........blend, paint.......... rinse,  repeat

 

you must have taken it to work with you.........seems you hit a bump! 

Edited June 12, 2013 by popeye the sailor

[Sjors]

Hi Jason,

 

Thanks,that is also a option.

I will be all right when I know what to do….

 

@ Popeye,

 

Thanks for the thinking but that's no option.

There is coming also a balustrade on that little deck and you don't see the doors in the back anymore.

Everything comes to low.

But thanks anyway!

 

[Shazmira]

I am wondering if you couldn't just add a bit of wood to the bottom of the "arches". Just the skinny side parts that come down to part #157 in your instructions. if you made those on both sides longer, then the whole assembly would be raised up high enough to cover the upper cabins?

[Ferit]

Salute Sjors,

I have hit the same problem in my build. I have resolved it by adding a piece of wood carved as the continuation of the shape and then repainted. As Robbyn says; you can add a piece of wood to the each side of the lower parts. Then you can shape these two pieces as the downward continuation of the stern thing and repaint the whole stern thing. In this way you can extend its height.

Edited June 12, 2013 by ashiponthehorizon

[gjdale]

I've been thinking the same as others above - add some wood to the bottom of the arches to raise the whole transom piece up to cover the cabins.

[Sjors]

I am wondering if you couldn't just add a bit of wood to the bottom of the "arches". Just the skinny side parts that come down to part #157 in your instructions. if you made those on both sides longer, then the whole assembly would be raised up high enough to cover the upper cabins?

Hi Robbyn,

 

Thank you also, but when I do that what you are suggest I have to cut the legs of the transom.

It's metal so I don't do that.

 

 

Salute Sjors,

I have hit the same problem in my build. I have resolved it by adding a piece of wood carved as the continuation of the shape and then repainted. As Robbyn says; you can add a piece of wood to the each side of the lower parts. Then you can shape these two pieces as the downward continuation of the stern thing and repaint the whole stern thing. In this way you can extend its height.

Ferit,

 

Thanks also,

 

If it was wood, it was no problem but it is metal.

So I think I take a piece of plywood and make the shape of the transom.

Then glue it on top of the transom to get the good hight.

Painted it and I hope at the end ,you don't see a thing about it.

But first I have to see if the gallery's are fitted.

When that is done, I know how many wood I need.

But again, thank you all for thinking with me.

This story goes further…...

 

[realworkingsailor]

I'm with Chris on this one...make yourself a new one from scratch... at least... that's what I would do. You may have to make a few attempts at it, but when you finally got it right, you'd be much happier.

 

Andy

[Sjors]

Morning Andy,

 

I still don't know what I shall do.

Scratch a new one or extend the transom…...

Maybe I try first to put on a little wood on the transom and see how that goes.

If that is not working I can still go for scratch.

I have still a few days before I decided what to do.

But thank you for your opinion.

 

[mtaylor]

Good idea to think on it Sjors.   You got some good advice.   If you are going to paint it, then you should be able to cut out some wood for the bottom so the metal is raised up where it should be.  A little filler between the wood and the metal and then paint...   Otherwise, make a new one of wood but with the bottoms longer.

[Sjors]

Hi Mark,

 

I have some great advice but…….everybody is thinking that the bottom is not good.

That's not it…it's the top 

The bottom fits perfectly!

So, decision is made…..totally scratch .

I make a new one from plywood.

I think that's the best.

Maybe this afternoon I'm gonna start with it.

 

 

I had my medical examination today and the Doctor is saying that I had the health of a man of 25 years old…so from now on, I'm not 56 years old anymore but 25         

 

[popeye the sailor]

good to hear Sjors..........your ticker is'a tocking.......your legs keep'a walking    doing a scratch on that part sounds like a good idea...I'll look forward in seeing your refit!

[augie]

Congrats on the physical.  You must have studied really hard.  Now that you're 25 again, you get to look forward to 40 more years of work       . 

 

Glad to hear you're going to scratch a new piece.  Patience and a little paint and we'll all be celebrating soon!!!

[lamarvalley]

Congratulations Sjors. Wow, 25 again.... that's great... so much to do... again...

 

As for me, not being 25 again I'm looking forward to your rebuild.... don't forget lots of pictures along the way of course...

[Ferit]

Hi Sjors,

The worst decision is better than hesitancy...

(In fact your decision is the best regarding the situation...)

Happy with your new age...

Are you thinking to go on still with ship building at your 25 years old?...

[Sjors]

Augie,

 

Only age at 25….working age 56…….so 10 more years…...

 

Randy,

 

No worries about the pictures.

 

@ Ferit,

 

What else can I do when I'm 25 years old?

I already have a wonderful woman         

 

[Ferit]

Yes...

Physical age of 25...

And wisdom of 56 years...

Edited June 14, 2013 by ashiponthehorizon

[gjdale]

I had my medical examination today and the Doctor is saying that I had the health of a man of 25 years old…so from now on, I'm not 56 years old anymore but 25

 

Lucky Anja - a toy boy for her!!!

Edited June 14, 2013 by gjdale

[realworkingsailor]

A lean, mean, housework doing machine!

[Sjors]

Guy's be careful what you are saying.

She is still a moderator……...  

Can we make a invisible topic that's not allowed for Moderators??????

 

 

[realworkingsailor]

What? And risk not being able to commit you to a weekend of domestic servitude in order to allow your wife some time to work on her ship models (or whatever other projects she may have up her sleeve)?

 

Now where would the fun be in that?

[Sjors]

She is reading that Andy and I think she will be giving comment by herself…….

 

[Anja]

Gentlemen,

 

I refrain from entering into debate on this issue at present.

The consequence for you will be that I will not take comprehensive measures.

 

You guys are so lucky. Now that this is settled .....

 

 

Anja