Louie da fly Posted January 19, 2021 #1 Posted January 19, 2021 Though this video is ostensibly about the sword found at Sutton Hoo, the footage of the excavation is fascinating. None of the timber survived - they figured out the shape of the ship, frames, planking and nails by following the discoloration in the sand of the burial mound. How's that for careful work! Steven thibaultron, Canute, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Jim Lad Posted January 19, 2021 #2 Posted January 19, 2021 That was an amazing excavation. I read about it (one of my dad's books) when I was a kid. I had trouble trying to come to grips with excavating and entire ship by looking for the sand discolouration. John thibaultron and mtaylor 2 Quote
Louie da fly Posted January 19, 2021 Author #3 Posted January 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Jim Lad said: I had trouble trying to come to grips with excavating and entire ship by looking for the sand discolouration. Same here. How do you stand in the ship's "hull" to keep your footprints from interfering with what's already been excavated? Steven mtaylor and thibaultron 2 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Jim Lad Posted January 20, 2021 #4 Posted January 20, 2021 Quote How do you stand in the ship's "hull" to keep your footprints from interfering with what's already been excavated? Didn't they lay on planks and brush the sand away underneath them? John mtaylor and thibaultron 2 Quote
Louie da fly Posted January 20, 2021 Author #5 Posted January 20, 2021 Maybe - I dunno. It doesn't seem to be on the footage. mtaylor and thibaultron 2 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Mark P Posted January 20, 2021 #6 Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) A great tragedy of Sutton Hoo was that the painstaking work of the local archaeologist, Basil Brown, a self-taught but very talented amateur, who so carefully exposed the shape of the hull, and established the importance of the find, was all set at nought by the pompous academics of the time. Conscious of the chance for a healthy dose of glory, the big names muscled in on the project, trying to forbid further work until they had assembled a team of their own kind. Basil was relegated to pushing a wheelbarrow, and I am fairly certain that his name was not even mentioned in the first reports written by the claim-jumpers. The finds were donated to the British Museum by the landowner. As for how the shape of the ship was revealed without damaging it, that was obviously part of the under-appreciated skill of Basil Brown, and will be shown somewhere, as huge numbers of photographs were taken. A similar situation is unfolding today, with the wreck of the London, which blew up and sank in the Thames in 1665. Periodically uncovered then re-covered by drifting sand, the wreck was rediscovered some years ago, and contains many artefacts, some of which have been recovered by the finders, who formed a knowledgeable and motivated team of amateur marine archaeologists. Most regrettably, the continuance of excavation work has been banned by English Heritage while they argue for ever over who does what. In the meantime, valuable remains are being rapidly eroded: for example a complete gun carriage, which was visible, and then was washed away as officially nobody could touch it! All the best, Mark P Edited January 20, 2021 by Mark P thibaultron, mtaylor, henry x and 1 other 3 1 Quote Previously built models (long ago, aged 18-25ish) POB construction. 32 gun frigate, scratch-built sailing model, Underhill plans. 2 masted topsail schooner, Underhill plans. Started at around that time, but unfinished: 74 gun ship 'Bellona' NMM plans. POB On the drawing board: POF model of Royal Caroline 1749, part-planked with interior details. My own plans, based on Admiralty draughts and archival research. Always on the go: Research into Royal Navy sailing warship design, construction and use, from Tudor times to 1790. Member of NRG, SNR, NRS, SMS
Louie da fly Posted January 29, 2021 Author #7 Posted January 29, 2021 And now Netflix has a movie about it! Chapman, druxey, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Jim Lad Posted January 29, 2021 #8 Posted January 29, 2021 Amazing! I would have thought a movie about an archaeological dig would have limited appeal at best. John mtaylor and thibaultron 2 Quote
el cid Posted January 30, 2021 #9 Posted January 30, 2021 Watched the Netflix movie last night and liked it. Interesting story, really good cinematography and lighting, and Fienes’ depiction of Brown was excellent. The romantic side stories felt contrived and unnecessary. Wife, a true Anglophile, really enjoyed it. Cheers, Keith Phil Babb, mtaylor and thibaultron 3 Quote
ah100m Posted January 30, 2021 #10 Posted January 30, 2021 I never thought I'd see Lily James look frumpy. mtaylor, BLACK VIKING and thibaultron 1 1 1 Quote
Roger Pellett Posted January 30, 2021 #11 Posted January 30, 2021 We watched it last night too and enjoyed it. After the show, I dug out A Nautical archeology book and found out that the site was excavated again in the 1960’s. mtaylor and thibaultron 2 Quote
SJSoane Posted January 30, 2021 #12 Posted January 30, 2021 I vaguely recall an exhibit of the Sutton Hoo ship in the British museum many decades ago, like part of a cast of the dig? Do I remember this correctly, and if so, is it still in the British Museum public exhibits? Mark mtaylor and thibaultron 2 Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
Roger Pellett Posted January 31, 2021 #13 Posted January 31, 2021 According to what I read, during a subsequent excavation project in the ‘60s they did make a fiberglass cast of part of the ship. That might have been what you saw. mtaylor and thibaultron 2 Quote
Louie da fly Posted February 2, 2021 Author #14 Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) A bit of the history . . . And here's a video from the people in the UK who are building a full-sized replica: Here's their website - https://saxonship.org/?fbclid=IwAR2tmg3x4sTXGqSmQi60mBwmmIaJzlpQfs9BK1PWbSn9NkONbBwpwiF8gVQ fascinating! Steven Edited February 3, 2021 by Louie da fly Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
popeye2sea Posted February 3, 2021 #15 Posted February 3, 2021 Just watched the movie yesterday. I really enjoyed it. In the end notes to the film they mention that the work of Basil Brown was finally recognized at some point by the British Museum. Regards, druxey and mtaylor 2 Quote Henry Laissez le bon temps rouler ! Current Build: Le Soleil Royal Completed Build: Amerigo Vespucci
Louie da fly Posted February 6, 2021 Author #16 Posted February 6, 2021 And some footage of Basil Brown himself! https://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/sutton_hoo_dig_collection/zs6xqfr Rik Thistle and mtaylor 2 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
druxey Posted February 7, 2021 #17 Posted February 7, 2021 Update on a reconstruction: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-suffolk-55939515 mtaylor and Louie da fly 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
Jim Lad Posted February 7, 2021 #18 Posted February 7, 2021 Such a beautiful looking ship. John mtaylor 1 Quote
Bob Cleek Posted February 7, 2021 #19 Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) I'm always amused by the custom of those times that the men so often wore white shirts, neckties, and coats when they did manual labor. Sometimes they wore shop aprons, but always the shirts and ties. Edited February 7, 2021 by Bob Cleek mtaylor 1 Quote
shipman Posted February 7, 2021 #20 Posted February 7, 2021 Bob, when the BBC turned up back then, God forbid you weren't dressed properly. Before the 60's some things were not done. God made the British. Then he made the rest. mtaylor 1 Quote
druxey Posted February 7, 2021 #21 Posted February 7, 2021 And Bob, do not forget the weskit (waistcoat). See also: https://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/sutton_hoo_dig_collection/zs6xqfr Interviews with those involved in the actual dig. If you've seen the movie, there is quite a difference in the characters! BANYAN and mtaylor 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
Jim Lad Posted February 7, 2021 #22 Posted February 7, 2021 My father-in law (English) always wore a jacket and tie - even when doing the gardening! When he was totally relaxed in his arm chair after dinner he would sometimes (only sometimes) remove his jacket- but never his tie. John shipman and mtaylor 2 Quote
Louie da fly Posted February 8, 2021 Author #23 Posted February 8, 2021 And Basil Brown is of course played by Ralph Fiennes, probably best known as Lord Voldemort in Harry Potter. To paraphrase an old chestnut: Lord Voldemort has no nose. How does he smell? Terrible! Steven mtaylor 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
stuglo Posted February 8, 2021 #24 Posted February 8, 2021 19 hours ago, Bob Cleek said: I'm always amused by the custom of those times that the men so often wore white shirts, neckties, and coats when they did manual labor. Sometimes they wore shop aprons, but always the shirts and ties. If I remember correctly, the work foreman wore a brown "lab" coat and hat- flat cap or bowler to differentiate himself from the simple worker mtaylor and Bob Cleek 2 Quote current build- Swan ,scratch on shelf,Rattlesnake, Alert semi scratch,Le Coureur,, Fubbs scratch completed: nostrum mare,victory(Corel), san felipe, sovereign of the seas, sicilian cargo boat ,royal yacht caroline, armed pinnace, charles morgan whaler, galilee boat, wappen von hamburg, la reale (Dusek), amerigo vespucci, oneida (semi scratch) diane, great harry-elizabethan galleon (semi scratch), agammemnon, hanna (scratch).19th cent. shipyard diorama (Constructo), picket boat, victory bow section
Schrader Posted February 9, 2021 #25 Posted February 9, 2021 Keeping going with my path..... this is going to be one of my next project!!!! I saw the movie 15 days ago and I was thinking about it Thanks Steven!! Sooooo interesting mtaylor 1 Quote
shipman Posted February 9, 2021 #26 Posted February 9, 2021 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcY7AkN1X8Q mtaylor 1 Quote
gak1965 Posted February 9, 2021 #27 Posted February 9, 2021 On 1/29/2021 at 4:17 PM, Jim Lad said: Amazing! I would have thought a movie about an archaeological dig would have limited appeal at best. John Isn't Raiders of the Lost Ark fundamentally a movie about an archaeological dig? 🙂 mtaylor 1 Quote Current Builds: Bluejacket USS Kearsarge, RRS Discovery 1:72 scratch Completed Builds: Model Shipways 1:96 Flying Fish | Model Shipways 1:64 US Brig Niagara | Model Shipways 1:64 Pride of Baltimore II (modified) | Midwest Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack | Heller 1:150 Passat | Revell 1:96 USS Constitution
Louie da fly Posted February 22, 2021 Author #28 Posted February 22, 2021 I finally got to see the movie "The Dig". Very good indeed, despite the unnecessary additions to the story. Just a shame Basil Brown never lived to see that he finally got the credit for the discovery. They could have showed more of the treasure, though. Apparently someone was engaged to make exact copies of the artefacts for the movie, and when they had them out on display I recognised most of them from having seen them "in the flesh". Unfortunately the helmet was in so many fragments when found that it couldn't possibly be shown in the movie. Apparently Basil Brown excavated four of the mounds at Sutton Hoo, ending with the "big one" - something I hadn't been aware of. Steven mtaylor, druxey and BANYAN 3 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Louie da fly Posted May 30, 2023 Author #29 Posted May 30, 2023 mtaylor 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Jim Lad Posted May 31, 2023 #30 Posted May 31, 2023 I still don't really understand how they managed to meticulously excavate a ship that basically wasn't there! John mtaylor 1 Quote
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