Bismarck by hof00 - FINISHED - Amati - 1/200 - Partworks

[GrandpaPhil]

Best of luck!  Heal up!  

Edited November 18, 2021 by GrandpaPhil

[hof00]

Hi All,

I decided to do something positive on the Bismarck, well what I can do at the very least.... 🙂

I downloaded all 140 (+1) PDF's for the build and started to go through them, nothing of any huge significance, just quite a complex set of tasks, esp. in the last couple of PDF's, 140 - 1 and 140 - 2

 

(Here is the URL, if you are interested, click on "The Build" tab to access te PDF info.)

Bismarck | 1:200 Model Ship Full Kit | ModelSpace (model-space.com)

 

The thing that really stood out for me in the very last PDF was a small comment, easy to miss, that states, "Under no circumstances should the Printed Decks be brushed with varnish."

 

This information may be well known to many but it was news to me!! I guess the "Definition" of the Decks could be severely damaged esp, if the varnish/polyurethane used contains thinners.

(I was planning to use an Acrylic poly, "Crystal Clear.")

 

I'll now plan to Airbrush Vallejo Semi gloss clear  followed by "000" Steel Wool.

 

Anyway, I thought I'd post this for the Amati Bismarck builders on this site, or, indeed anyone dealing with printed wooden decks.

 

The reading/research continues.... 🙂

 

Cheers....HOF.

 

 

 

[CaptnBirdseye]

Good spot, that man 👍 Nowhere near that stage but very hand to know oin advance.

[hof00]

Was actually part 135....

[hof00]

O.k, so, things are progressing. ( am allowed some limited movement in the right arm.... Nice!! 🙂

Today I made around 50 "Grab Handles that will be affixed to Port and Starboard rear, mine ended up about 3.0mm each in length.

Almost completed aft superstructure PE sides, only two thus far, quite a few more to complete before attaching these.

I plan to Semi Gloss all decks tomorrow and drill all Hull Port Holes prior to spray putty/primer.

 

Well, that's the plan anyway.... 

I'll get some photos up once I have something to show for my efforts,

 

Cheers....HOF.

 

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by hof00

[hof00]

Update:

I feel that I've been a busy Possum today.... 🙂

 

Got the Portholes drilled out, something that I wasn't looking forward to particularly.

 

Anyway, the method: (Or the madness.... 🙂)

• Firstly tape the ply templates that should have been part of the Hull in place.

(Why didn't I use these? Personal preference. The Bow/Stern sides where these should have been, was faired in with knifing compound..)

You may ask why didn't I wait until the Hull was completely prepped/premiered. The reason is that I could reference the ply parts with the resin Bow/Stern Resin blocks and the edge of the base of the Deck.

• Cut out the Paper Templates and strengthen the back of these with Blue painters masking tape.

• Pin the templates to the ply pieces, (Holes), two pins, Remove the Ply and reposition the templates on the Hull utilizing the same holes in both template and Hull.

• Drill out the holes using the paper template as a guide with 1.0, 1.5 and 2.0mm drills (94 holes X 3)

 

So, it worked out o.k. The completed port holes look a little scrappy but this will change after priming. (There are also "Rivet" thingies that occupy the holes.)

I can now go over the Hull filling anything obvious, Spray with spray putty, (I love this stuff, it gives an "Eggshell" smooth finish.), and Prime.... 🙂.

 

So, onward but no more today.

I'll look at spraying the Deck pieces tomorrow with Vallejo clear.

 

Cheers....HOF.

 

Photos:

 

 

 

 

[hof00]

Hi All,

Small update:

 

Airbrushed all printed Decks with Vallejo semi gloss.

I was concerned with the Decks "Curling" when the Vallejo went on. Thought about this and applied small dots of BlueTrack to hold the pieces "Flatish."

Worked o.k. and removed Blur Tack prior to the stuff going hard or something.... 🙂

 

Barbette for Turret "Bruno" constructed and plated with PE. (In my mind, I thought this was a little "Over engineered."

 

I'll work on the Hangar structures later this evening and when I can get away from Superstructure , I'll putty and prime the Hull.

 

Photos either tonight or tomorrow.

 

Cheers....HOF.

 

 

 

[hof00]

Yesterdays photos....

 

 

[hof00]

A bit more today,

Constructed Port and Starboard Hangers, no PE as yet.

I decided to place the main Deck pieces on ostensibly to check the fit and alignment as it has been a few years since I constructed the Hull and False Decks. (I must have done something right.... 🙂)

(I'll retract my initial comment regarding "Printed" Decks, this one anyway. Really nice detail!!)

 

The Deck lines up very nicely with the edges of the False Deck, interesting as the instructions show a 1 or 2mm border around the printed Deck, not the case in mine anyway.... 🙂

The Main Deck stanchions are all individual and there is a template for the spacings around the Deck perimeter. (300 + Stanchions)

 

The printed Decks, Inc. Superstructure Decks will be permanently attached quite some way down the track....

So, for the mo. the printed stuff is set safely aside.

 

I am unsure what tasks will be next, either:

• Finish prepping the Hull
• Continue with Superstructure PE

I'll do one of these regardless, of course!! 🙂

The only issue with the Part Work thingy is that you don't want to "Bounce" too far forwards or backwards, otherwise you end up with lots of bits out of sequence.

(I used to think that Part Work was a dirty word but it's Amati through and through!!)

 

Criticism, constructive or otherwise most welcome.

 

Cheers....HOF.

 

Photos:

 

 

[hof00]

Hi All,

Decided that I'd better gat busy prepping the Hull today.

Spray Putty, rub down and initial Prime.

 

I'm reasonably happy with the result and realized that I should have done this years ago.... 🙂

(Cest la vie!!)

 

There a two or three spots that will require a bit more attention but I'll wait until tomorrow for that to let everything cure.

I may decide to give the Turrets a bit of a prime as it's a beautiful hot day. The only downside to performing this now is that I'll have to clean off location points for ladders, etc. (No biggie.)

 

Cheers....HOF.

 

Photos:

 

 

 

 

[hof00]

O.k, 

I have a question if someone could find the time to offer some advice....

 

I have been thinking of installing the Main Deck, I feel that sooner is not going to make an iota of difference.

The instructions "Recommend" that the Deci NOT be installed until after the Hull is fully painted. I am masking rhe False Deck anyway during painting operations....

 

Now, my question: 

 

What adhesive should I use for the Main Deck Veneers? I need to have some "Fiddle" time whilst I align all five or six sections and they are not that small either.... 🙂

•  am leaning to white glue but this goes off fairly rapidly if thinly spread ( don't want to thin either as it tends to loose its' viscosity)
• 24 hour epoxy? Messy
• 15 minute epoxy? Messy
• CA, definitely not
• Contact: same as above, CA, definitely not
• The only other option that came to mind is a product called "Aerodux", useful for "Skinning" Veneer to foam core wing blanks. The stuff I have Is pretty old and I have never used it before. (t consists of a resin and a brown powder hardener. (i's supposed to have an unlimited shelf life....) Never having used this before, I don't really want to experiment on the Bismarck.

 

I think that I have now exhausted my available options.... 😗

(It's been keeping me awake at night.)

 

Any ideas/advice would be most welcome.

 

Cheers....HOF.

Edited December 9, 2021 by hof00

[BobG]

5 hours ago, hof00 said:

I'm reasonably happy with the result and realized that I should have done this years ago.... 🙂

(Cest la vie!!)

This is the only way to think about it...hindsight is always 20-20...she looks really good with the primer...

[hof00]

Thanks Chap!!

I agree the the Hull is greatly improved.... 🙂

(I primed the Turrets  and Barbettes today also, apart from "Bruno" and Cesar.")

 

It's quite an enjoyable build thus far. 🙂

 

Cheers,,,,HOF.

[gjdale]

5 hours ago, hof00 said:

What adhesive should I use for the Main Deck Veneers? I need to have some "Fiddle" time whilst I align all five or six sections and they are not that small either....

 

Do you need to be “fiddling” with all five or six sections at once, or can you focus on one section at a time?

 

I’d be leaning towards the white PVA myself but you can get this in different set times. If you go for one of the slower setting ones, you should be okay.

[hof00]

 

7 hours ago, gjdale said:

 

Do you need to be “fiddling” with all five or six sections at once, or can you focus on one section at a time?

 

I’d be leaning towards the white PVA myself but you can get this in different set times. If you go for one of the slower setting ones, you should be okay.

Hi Grant,

Thanks for the info regarding different set times for white glue.

I will have a look next time I'm at the Hardware Store.

The only two varieties that I have seen are either interior or exterior.... 🙂

I may not have noticed any other variety and I don't believe that I have ever looked. (Live and learn!! 🙂)

 

Yup, I am leaning to white glue also.

I may need to "Fiddle" with all the Veneer pieces at the time of installation, just a bit of a "safety net" that I wan to give myself.

The veneers  when taped down, line up pretty much perfectly and I need, of course, the same result with adhesive.

 

Thanks once again for your advice.

 

Cheers....HOF.

 

 

Edited December 9, 2021 by hof00

[gjdale]

You may need to look further than a local hardware store HOF - specialist woodworking stores, or boat building supplies stores (or either on line) will likely be more successful for your search. Look for something that advertises “long open time” or words to that effect.

[gjdale]

Just as an afterthought HOF, you might consider using Hide glue. I know that Titebond make a ready to use version (no need for heating glue pots). It has a long open time and is easy to use without a lot of mess (no more than white glue anyway). On this side of the ditch its available through Carbatec and other woodworking supply stores.

[BobG]

I've found that Titebond Thick & Quick very useful when I want a quicker grab than regular Titebond or white glue but still have some time to make adjustments. I've also heard of folks adding a bit of CA to regular Titebond to help it set up a little faster. You might want to try some tests on scraps with the Thick & Quick, if you can find it, and some combinations of regular PVA with CA added to it and see how much wiggle time you have with these various glues.

[yvesvidal]

I am using Thick & Quick Titebond to glue most of the planks on my Bellona 1/48. It gives you about 2-3 minutes maximum of wiggle time. After that it becomes really thick and unusable. The good thing is that it will allow you to press part for two or three minutes with your fingers, when tying it up with clamps is not possible. 

 

A good compromise between CA and regular glue.

 

Yves

[BobG]

1 hour ago, yvesvidal said:

A good compromise between CA and regular glue.

That's been my experience as well, Yves. I also like the fact that it isn't runny which makes it nice for vertical surfaces too.

[gjdale]

Hey guys, I think we might be drifting a bit here. Unless I've misunderstood, I think HOF was asking for advice on glues with a longer open time, not a quicker setting solution. Apologies if I've got the wrong end of the stick here. 

[BobG]

I think you're right, Grant. I just wasn't sure how much time he was thinking about when he said he needed a "bit of a safety net."

[hof00]

1 hour ago, BobG said:

I think you're right, Grant. I just wasn't sure how much time he was thinking about when he said he needed a "bit of a safety net."

Thanks Gentlemen,

Interesting debate!!

Bob, thanks Chap and yes, I'm after allot more than 10 seconds wriggle time.... 🙂

 

I guess the worst case scenario would be if I had laid all but one veneer and the first one required adjustment of say 1.0mm and all subsequent veneers required adjustment....

The other requirement is that the adhesive needs to be "Viscous" enough to hold the veneers flat while curing.

 

I really appreciate the time and thought you guys have put into my query thus far.

 

Cheers and Regards.... HOF.(Harry)

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Edited December 10, 2021 by hof00

[mtaylor]

Have you tried mixing a very small amount of water with PVA (white glue)?   I find it gives me an extra bit of time to fiddle with the parts.  I'm using Elmer's Glue-All (not sure it's available where you are).

[hof00]

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the suggestion.

I have not tried but I have a paradigm running that I may ruin the viscosity of the glue and maybe introduce too much water content that could warp the Decking.

I think the best thing that I can do is experiment "Off-Ship."

I'll give it a go tomorrow. (Do you have any idea of quantities of water to glue?)

 

I haven't seen Elmers Glue but in saying so, I have never looked. (It may be available on-line, something else for me to have a look at. 🙂

(I'll see if I can create a new paradigm)

 

Cheers and Regards,

 

HOF. (Harry)

 

 

 

 

 

[hof00]

Hi All,

Not much happening in the "Ship Room" today.

Once again, many thanks to all that have offered advice for securing Deck veneers. (As mentioned to Mark, (Above), I'll try thinning white glue and see how it performs, "Off-Ship."

(Please let me know if  other ideas come to mind.....)

 

So, have filled a couple of spots on the Hull and a couple of Port Holes that look slightly out of alignment.

I managed to "Loose" the Rudder Shaft holes  in the Hull. (Spray Putty/Primer). It took me at least an hour to find their exact locations. 🙂

 

Things I hope to achieve over the next few days:

• Finish filling/sanding/priming Hull (Lucky I didn't remove Deck masking.)
• Insert Hull Port Holes
• Install Hull "Grab Rails"
• Install Propeller Shaft Housings
• Experiment with adhesive for Deck veneers

That's the plan anyway....

 

Cheers....HOF.

 

 

[BobG]

2 hours ago, hof00 said:

(As mentioned to Mark, (Above), I'll try thinning white glue and see how it performs, "Off-Ship."

 

Good idea just to test this on some scrap wood that's similar to the veneers that you'll be using to make sure it doesn't warp the wood. Good luck, Harry!

[JeffT]

Titebond recommends no more than 5% when adding water to their glues

[mtaylor]

I'm not sure there is a one-size-fits-all formula.   I drip enough water in to get a consistancy of somewhere between milk and cream.  Not to thick, not runny.   This is defninetly one of those "experiment.... and then experiment some more" things to get it to where you want it to be.

[rvchima]

Harry,

Somehow I missed your build log. I haven't looked too far ahead in the instructions so it was interesting to see your work on the turrets. I will be following along.

Rod