king derelict Posted November 17, 2021 Author #31 Posted November 17, 2021 17 minutes ago, Roger Pellett said: It would seem that much of the reason for these early tanks would be in their shock value. Why then would you be worried about hiding them from the enemy with camouflage? Its a good point; I wondered if it was considered to be useful to reduce the chance of being seen by aerial reconnaissance when they were parked up behind the lines. But then netting would be better. I'm still learning a lot and it seems that there are some varied opinions out there on the British colour schemes. The Germans did use quite complex paint schemes by comparison. I think I have read that teh British abandoned repainting in green / khaki and just left them in as-delivered grey at the end. Alan popeye the sailor, Old Collingwood, lmagna and 5 others 8 Quote
mtaylor Posted November 17, 2021 #32 Posted November 17, 2021 The picture you posted in #29 looks pretty monochromatic to me. In the past, I've seen other photos of the early tanks at the front and they all seemed to be the same. Camouflage really wouldn't have worked at the front as there was next to no green anything except maybe the stagnant water in the shell holes. Old Collingwood, popeye the sailor, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
popeye the sailor Posted November 18, 2021 #33 Posted November 18, 2021 gee.......sorry I missed this one cool look'in model! camo wasn't a big thing during WWI.......toss on some dirt and branches and you were good for the party sophistication came into play towards the end....likely a few 'Picassos' started the fad the use of camo was a gradual thing......unit markings was a big draw though..... ...as for the olive drab..........I have many shades of olive. it all depends on how worn you want to show her.......faded was the rage, as I recall....... very nice looking model Jack12477, Edwardkenway, Old Collingwood and 4 others 7 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch
king derelict Posted November 19, 2021 Author #34 Posted November 19, 2021 Thanks for the kind comment Denis. Its a relaxing and fun build and seems to be painting up nicely.. I'm tempted to try another in a trench diorama. The lack of colour photos means that evidence of the real colours on WW! tanks is very sketchy. I'm experimenting with the mud! Alan mtaylor, Old Collingwood, Edwardkenway and 4 others 7 Quote
king derelict Posted November 19, 2021 Author #35 Posted November 19, 2021 I painted the raised edges of the tracks with gun metal to show bare metal and dry brushed more randomly onto the track plates. I think the bare metal, remnants of paint and rust is a starting point for adding mud and dirt. A thin coat of acrylic clear coat was then applied ready for oil based washes I dabbled with the mud patch to see if I could improve the mud quality. A welcome break from printer voodoo Thanks for checking in Alan Baker, Egilman, Edwardkenway and 6 others 9 Quote
Old Collingwood Posted November 19, 2021 #36 Posted November 19, 2021 That is looking so cool. OC. popeye the sailor, Canute, Egilman and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
Baker Posted November 19, 2021 #37 Posted November 19, 2021 very nice work Old Collingwood, mtaylor, Jack12477 and 5 others 8 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum
king derelict Posted November 23, 2021 Author #38 Posted November 23, 2021 On 11/19/2021 at 12:43 AM, Old Collingwood said: That is looking so cool. OC. Thank you kindly OC. Its a great subject. I would like to try a diorama with one. More plans than time as always Alan Canute, popeye the sailor, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote
king derelict Posted November 23, 2021 Author #39 Posted November 23, 2021 Minor progress. The decals have been added ready to dirt to layered on and the ditching beam Thanks for looking Alan Old Collingwood, Egilman, Landlubber Mike and 8 others 11 Quote
king derelict Posted November 24, 2021 Author #40 Posted November 24, 2021 I air brushed a light mist of buff all over the tank and then deepened the spray over the lower hull to simulate a dusty vehicle rather than a muddy one (might try that next). Its done a nice job of knocking down the decal contrast too. I made a ditching beam from some spare wood stock and dirtied it up. Its just placed for size at present. I'm wondering if it should have iron bands at each end but my pictures found so far are unhelpful on that issue. I have chains to secure it on the ditching rails. First I will air brush a matte finish and then add the beam and chains Thanks for looking Alan Old Collingwood, Edwardkenway, mtaylor and 8 others 10 1 Quote
Egilman Posted November 24, 2021 #41 Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, king derelict said: I'm wondering if it should have iron bands at each end but my pictures found so far are unhelpful on that issue. Nope, no Iron bands... one thing I would do is run a file down the corners though and make a few random chips in the perfectly flat surface... Also they would be dark like a freshly tarred railroad tie.... Not black but a very dark brown... An image of the ditching beam and how it was rigged to help in crossing a trench on a Mk IV.... (no iron bands) Another thing you could do for a Mk IV is a fascine, early ones were a big bundle of sticks... here is an image of the movement of Mk IV tanks into the buildup for Cambrai.... They have both the plain ditching beam and the Stick Fascine... The Fascine would be dropped into a trench before crossing and were non-recoverable.... It's the way they (the tanks) were issued... Later, they used the Timber Fascine... But, it's rare to see a timber fascine on a Mk IV tank though, they came into use shortly before the Mk V became the main heavy tank... (although they were used on Mk IV's) You can also see the banded ditching beams on these Mk V's not only were they double banded on the ends they were chamfered for their length on the corners and the tanks carried at least two and up to four of them.... As you can see later in the war they also had short timber bridge sections, (as they left the trenches behind) the timber fascine was used just like a ditching beam, chained to the tracks before they attempted to cross and recovered afterwards... the bridge sections would be left behind once the trench was crossed.... Of course in the last pic you can see the results of the first ideals of a "Tank Trap", ditches dug diagonally crossing the route of advance to high center the tank... A ditching beam doesn't work very well for a tank high centered like this... Ditching beams were mostly intended for exiting shell holes with steep sides that the tank couldn't get traction on..... In warfare technology advances very quickly.... Edited November 24, 2021 by Egilman Baker, popeye the sailor, Jack12477 and 5 others 8 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow"
Old Collingwood Posted November 24, 2021 #42 Posted November 24, 2021 Superb work Alan, that dusting sure makes a difference - loving what you are doing. OC. Egilman, popeye the sailor, lmagna and 4 others 7 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
king derelict Posted November 25, 2021 Author #43 Posted November 25, 2021 19 hours ago, Egilman said: Nope, no Iron bands... one thing I would do is run a file down the corners though and make a few random chips in the perfectly flat surface... Also they would be dark like a freshly tarred railroad tie.... Not black but a very dark brown... An image of the ditching beam and how it was rigged to help in crossing a trench on a Mk IV.... (no iron bands) Many Thanks Egilman. That is great information and this photo finally explains to me how the ditching beam worked. I had assumed it was placed manually (like sand ladders) but now I can see that the tracks carry it under the tank and then back over to the front - explaining what the ditching rails are for. I thought the rails were just for securing equipment. I did find this video showing the ditching beam in action. I have to caution that some viewer may find the gritty representation of WW1 trench life in the early part of the video to be unsettling https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Okahfp3GrWM As always, your research is a huge help. I have shortened the beam to look more like the photos and I have distressed the rails now that I know what they are for Alan lmagna, Canute, Edwardkenway and 7 others 10 Quote
king derelict Posted November 25, 2021 Author #44 Posted November 25, 2021 18 hours ago, Old Collingwood said: Superb work Alan, that dusting sure makes a difference - loving what you are doing. OC. Many thanks for the kind words OC. It's starting to come together. Alan Canute, Old Collingwood, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote
king derelict Posted November 25, 2021 Author #45 Posted November 25, 2021 The information provided by Egilman was very useful and drove some minor changes. The ditching beam was shortened to be more like those in the photos. I also darkened the beam and added rust and paint chipping to the ditching rails with a slight dry brush of gun metal to suggest some scraped bare metal. I added chains to the beam using the photo to gauge the length and made a trial stowage on the rails. Thanks for Looking and Happy Thanksgiving to those in the US. I'm thankful that teh turkey looks like its defrosted on time. Alan Ryland Craze, Jack12477, Landlubber Mike and 8 others 11 Quote
Egilman Posted November 25, 2021 #46 Posted November 25, 2021 5 hours ago, king derelict said: Many Thanks Egilman. My pleasure Alan, My pleasure... Baker, Landlubber Mike, popeye the sailor and 6 others 8 1 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow"
lmagna Posted November 25, 2021 #47 Posted November 25, 2021 5 hours ago, king derelict said: I have to caution that some viewer may find the gritty representation of WW1 trench life in the early part of the video to be unsettling Oh the horror! king derelict, Egilman, popeye the sailor and 5 others 3 5 Quote Lou Build logs: Colonial sloop Providence 1/48th scale kit bashed from AL Independence Currant builds: Constructo Brigantine Sentinel (Union) (On hold) Minicraft 1/350 Titanic (For the Admiral) 1/350 Heavy Cruiser USS Houston (Resin) Currant research/scratchbuild: Schooner USS Lanikai/Hermes Non ship build log: 1/35th UH-1H Huey
Landlubber Mike Posted November 26, 2021 #48 Posted November 26, 2021 What a cool subject Alan, doing a great job on this one! The design is so simple, it almost looks futuristic or even Mad Max-ish 😀 popeye the sailor, lmagna, Canute and 5 others 8 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
king derelict Posted November 27, 2021 Author #49 Posted November 27, 2021 21 hours ago, Landlubber Mike said: What a cool subject Alan, doing a great job on this one! The design is so simple, it almost looks futuristic or even Mad Max-ish 😀 Thank you, Mike. It's been a lot of fun working on these Emhar WW1`tanks and learning a lot as I have been building them. They are simple to build but interesting paint and try new ideas out. Alan Canute, Edwardkenway, Egilman and 5 others 8 Quote
king derelict Posted November 27, 2021 Author #50 Posted November 27, 2021 I air brushed the matt coat and tidied up a few details and installed the ditching beam and chains. I think this is complete. Its been a lot of fun and I am tempted to get another one and make a small base / diorama to show it rearing up on the lip of a trench - and then I could get a bit wild with the mud effects. Thanks for looking and commenting Alan And to show the Mark IV and the Whippet with the Renault and the AV7 ccoyle, Edwardkenway, mtaylor and 10 others 13 Quote
mtaylor Posted November 27, 2021 #51 Posted November 27, 2021 Very well done. It looks good on it's base and a diorama has a lot of potential. Old Collingwood, lmagna, popeye the sailor and 4 others 7 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Old Collingwood Posted November 27, 2021 #52 Posted November 27, 2021 Really nicely done Alan - they all look really smart. OC. lmagna, Canute, Edwardkenway and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
Baker Posted November 27, 2021 #53 Posted November 27, 2021 A very nice collection. Great work. mtaylor, Canute, Edwardkenway and 4 others 7 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum
king derelict Posted November 28, 2021 Author #54 Posted November 28, 2021 23 hours ago, mtaylor said: Very well done. It looks good on it's base and a diorama has a lot of potential. Thank you so much Mark. A trench diorama would be an interesting exercise Alan Egilman, Old Collingwood, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote
king derelict Posted November 28, 2021 Author #55 Posted November 28, 2021 22 hours ago, Old Collingwood said: Really nicely done Alan - they all look really smart. OC. Thank you for the kind comments OC I learnt a lot building these even though they are simple models. Alan popeye the sailor, Edwardkenway, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote
king derelict Posted November 28, 2021 Author #56 Posted November 28, 2021 17 hours ago, Backer said: A very nice collection. Great work. Thank you Patrick I am happiest with the Martk IV but they were all fun to work on. Alan Jack12477, Baker, Edwardkenway and 5 others 8 Quote
Edwardkenway Posted December 17, 2021 #57 Posted December 17, 2021 Nice battle of tanks, all of them are superb, Alan Well done Jack12477, mtaylor, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 - on hold HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64 - FINISHED Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - FINISHED Providence whaleboat- 1:25 - FINISHED Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED
king derelict Posted December 19, 2021 Author #58 Posted December 19, 2021 On 12/17/2021 at 2:00 PM, Edwardkenway said: Nice battle of tanks, all of them are superb, Alan Well done Thank you very much Edward. They were all a lot of fun. My thinking with these kits was to improve my painting skills which were horrible. The kits don't take too long to build so most of my time was spent painting and trying new ideas. They were also inexpensive if I made a real mess. I think my painting is slightly less horrible now and I really enjoy these little tanks so there is likely to be more. Alan mtaylor, Jack12477, Old Collingwood and 4 others 7 Quote
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