Lady Nelson by Dave_E - FINISHED - Amati/Victory Models - 1:64

[Dave_E]

Hi All,

 

Thought I’d be all excited about getting the shrouds back in place, but after I did… I’m scratching my head wondering how am I going to pull this off. Looking at the LN as she is, it’s like a catch 22. If I had proceeded with rigging with the shrouds and rat lines done and in place, getting to other parts of the rigging looked nay impossible. Now the rest of the rigging is done and I wondering how to do the rat lines. 😳 I see lots of logs where the standing rigging all gets done first. Is that the norm? Did I mess up completing all the rigging first? Looking at it where she lay, how bad is it?

 

[Oldsalt1950]

You made your job more difficult, but it can be done as is. Doing the ratlines now will take a lot of finesse, patience and time. You have weathered the storms before in this build, you can weather this one. 

 

Jim

[Keith Black]

 Rig a bosun's chair. 

[Rick01]

As someone else has suggested - ground up, middle outwards and front to back. All standing rigging needs to be completed first (but after such items as booms etc), then the ratlines and finally running rigging. This is similar to actual practice, after all you re building a miniature ship.  It will be a little awkward but not impossible. 

 

Rick

[Dave_E]

Took the night off from rigging and worked on the swivel guns. These beauties were fabricated (in fact all the cannons on the ship) by Henrythestaffy who lives in Australia. There are many things wrong with this first build, but the cannons are not one of them! Thank you Paul!

 

[Rick01]

Are you going to add coils of rope where-ever you've ended any running rigging?

 

Rick

[Dave_E]

9 hours ago, Rick01 said:

Are you going to add coils of rope where-ever you've ended any running rigging?

 

Rick

Hey Rick,

 

Not sure, since It appears I didn’t do any rigging in the correct order. I might do more damage and have to rebuild than to just leave it if I were to attempt. The rat lines should be a minor nightmare. Depending on how that goes, I’ll consider it. This first build is turning out better than I hoped. I have learned where some of my natural talent works well and where I need to “learn” new technique. The 1:64 scale allows for lots of unseen techniques and errors… sometimes to our advantage. We’ll save that discussion for another day. 😁

[Gregory]

This is really a great build for a first kit..  You will have a much better feel for when to do what on your next..    Most importantly, do what works for you and don't get bogged down, worrying if you are doing it "right "..

[Dave_E]

24 minutes ago, Gregory said:

This is really a great build for a first kit..  You will have a much better feel for when to do what on your next..    Most importantly, do what works for you and don't get bogged down, worrying if you are doing it "right "..

Thanks for those encouraging words Greg. There are some real artists on the site and they give everyone inspiration and levels of excellence to work toward, but you don’t get there overnight. 😊 I have a book full of the oop’s and notes to reflect on when I start the Rattlesnake later this summer.

[Rick01]

8 hours ago, Dave_E said:

Depending on how that goes, I’ll consider it.

At least make up a couple and give it a try. It just finishes off the rigging. It's basically a matter of making a coil of 6~8 loops round  something like a thick pen, with 4~5 centimetres of line tucked under the loops. Tie it off to hold the loops together and use a little PVA glue to shape the rope into something resembling a natural fall. Once it's dried then, using the excess line hook it up onto the belaying pin, a little more PVA to position it and it's done. Fiddly I know but worth the effort.

Different ship, but you get the idea.

 

Rick

[javajohn]

Hi Dave,

 

I'll echo what others have said - you can add the ratlines after the running rigging is in place, even though it presents a bit more of a challenge. Ditto on adding coils after the fact. At this scale you won't see it. Think of each knot as a project. Once you get started, it will get easier as you go along and pretty soon you will wonder why you thought it would be impossible.

[Dave_E]

Good Sunday Morning Everyone,

 

John, I just completed the port side ratlines last night. No photo just yet. I did everything I could right and wrong including what glue to use and used 3 different glues; CA, diluted wood PVA and polyurethane. I’ve got the knots down, but here to tell you, when you get up to the top of the shrouds and space becomes a premium, there is no way to tie the clove hitch… so I did what I could. 😊 It will take a few days and then I’ll post some photos. I am NOT using CA so don’t hammer me for it. I had used some on the port side, then found a thread about glueing ratlines and got that fired up. 😁Thanks for all your input and support guys! 👍😀

[Keith Black]

 Dave, there are two discussions on MSW that are sure to divide the community, CA and Polyurethane. I use both in copious amounts.   I use poly thread so I don't see a problem using CA to secure knots. I use Polyurethane to seal wood and painted surfaces.  I'll be long dead before I regret having used either.

 

 Find what works for you and full speed ahead. The cries from the shore that you'll surly sink can only be heard if you stop sailing long enough to pay attention to them. 

[Dave_E]

Good words to live by Keith. 👍😀

[Dave_E]

Hello Everyone,

 

It’s Friday night and I just finished up the starboard side ratlines. First let me say… ratlines were a challenge on this first build, probably because I messed up the order of rigging. The starboard side turned out much better than the port as I learned the techniques and got better tweezers (wow what a difference they make). Lots of imperfections to be sure, but lots of learning took took place and I made notes for the Rattlesnake coming up.

 

On to the anchors. 😀

Edited May 28, 2022 by Dave_E

[Dave_E]

Port side anchor installed. I will be adding rope coils.

 

 

 

[Oldsalt1950]

Looking good Dave

[Gregory]

Very nice work.  I envy how you have been able to progress the way you have in a relatively short period of time..

[allanyed]

Well done Dave!

One small comment, I really hope you don't mind.  The hawser was secured to the ring with an inside clinch or similar knot, not seized so it was easy to remove.  The sketch below is from page 129 of Lees' Masting and Rigging.  This may be what you have, but it looks like it is seized in the photo.

Allan

[Dave_E]

Allan, I wish we would have connected 2 hours ago. I ended up with what I did after searching and looking at 4 different builds, all had something different. I have your reference on file for the Rattlesnake. 👍😀

[Dave_E]

11 minutes ago, Gregory said:

Very nice work.  I envy how you have been able to progress the way you have in a relatively short period of time..

Retired… it’s a holiday, lawn is wet, cloudy… good day to be in the boat yard. 😁

[Reggiemon]

Your build is coming along very well. Sharp clean lines, tidy rope work, your getting there! 👍

[DennisL]

Nice work Dave. Excellent looking model!

 

[BenD]

That Anchor cable looks nice. 👍

[glbarlow]

You discovered tweezers during rigging the ratlines 😊. You can get those clove hitches at the top, but it is tight. You did a very nice job with them. 

[Dave_E]

Thank you Glenn, that mean a lot to me coming from you. 😊

[Keith Black]

 Heading for home on this one, Dave. Very well done for your first build.  

[Dave_E]

Hi Keith,

 

I’m going to try and add some rope coils, however that will be after I build a jig and practice. It’s tempting to just throw the other anchor on and the upper mast stay and the swivel guns and be done, but I know I can do some learning and some experience for the Rattlesnake and get a better finish on the Lady.

[Rick01]

1 hour ago, Dave_E said:

I’m going to try and add some rope coils, however that will be after I build a jig and practice.

When making my coils for the belaying pins I make up a jig from scrap MDF . Standing on edge I put a number of small nails/pins in close to the edge and after making a coil of 6~8 loops, place it over a nail/pin hanging down. To shape it so that it sits somewhat realistically I then use white PVA glue and carefully pinch the coils into the required shape. make sure you do have a small space at the top so that you can use short length of line to tie the coil to the belaying pin. See the sample I posted further up this page.

 

Rick 

[allanyed]

Dave,  You are very wise to be researching each thing before moving forward. Were the  four methods on the hawser tie off  based on contemporary information, or other kits.  If contemporary, it would really be interesting to see how this varied. 

Regarding coils,  I posted this video in the past, but if you did not see it, it might be helpful.  Allan

 

Edited May 31, 2022 by allanyed