Keith Black Posted March 17, 2022 Share #151 Posted March 17, 2022 Dave, knots aren't that important as most of them are too small to see/tell if it's a bowline or a granny. If you do the ratlines in the traditional method then a clove hitch is essential. Your rigging plan should make it pretty clear as what line goes to what block. That's where books and build logs come in to play to fill in the blanks. Start searching how to strop blocks and start fiddling around in your spare time. I went with wire stropping for the blocks on the Tennessee. I found it to be so much easier. Dave_E and Gregory 1 1 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lraymo Posted March 17, 2022 Share #152 Posted March 17, 2022 Just discovered your build log! Nice work so far... I'll need to follow along! Keith Black and Dave_E 1 1 Quote Current: Model Shipways Phantom Pilot Boat Completed: Norwegian Sailing Pram Lowell Grand Banks Dory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share #153 Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) Good Evening Everyone, I thought I’d keep the blackening discussion here… for my build, didn’t want to reopen something from a year or two ago. I gave the eyelets an honest go with the Birchwood Casey. I tried soaking in acetone, rinsing, then soaking. They did turn black, rinsed and dried. Then after dried, the black wiped right off and back to shiny brass. Discovered the brass was coated. Ok, got out the dremil and with a brush and gave each one of these little hummers a work over that removed the finish (it was visible to the naked eye). Gave those the business and boy they blackened in a hurry. Rinsed them off and they passed the rub check. Black did rub off but the underlying brass stayed a dull grey… not black. Then I painted 3 samples, one with flat black enamel, one with acrylic dull black and one with acrylic ironwork black. The next picture shows from left to right: out of the box, Birchwood Casey, enamel flat black, acrylic ironwork black, acrylic dull black. So… the time spent on 22 eyelets (with only 13 passing Dave’s quality inspection) was an hour and a half. 😳 I can see going through an arduous procedure for the brass implements but then it may not match any painting I do. I noticed the flat black enamel went on but dried so fast the finish was not very good. The acrylics went on ok, but I had to really load the brush otherwise it went on too thin and brass showed through. I have read most every post on blackening on the forum and am not inclined to go get heat pots and chemicals etc.. For those of you who paint… what kind of paint and application is what I want to pick your brains for. Edited March 18, 2022 by Dave_E cdanly, Keith Black, AJohnson and 1 other 4 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted March 18, 2022 Share #154 Posted March 18, 2022 Dave, I use a craft acrylic paint. The process I use is the same as yours up to painting. If the eyelets are to be used in a wide open space, I go ahead and glue the eyelet in place and then paint. I don't have to get too close to the wood because the eyelet has been blackened. Once the acrylic paint has dried I poly coat the eyelet. I use satin polyurethane to seal my work. Dave_E 1 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted March 19, 2022 Author Share #155 Posted March 19, 2022 It's has begun... 😳 Not as easy as it looks. I just ordered some decent .50 mm bits. Wasted 4 eyelets getting the hang of it. Hope Amati gave me a couple spares. 😁E lraymo, Paul Le Wol, Keith Black and 3 others 6 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted March 19, 2022 Share #156 Posted March 19, 2022 Dave, I become more impressed with the deck layout with every new photo you post. Dave_E 1 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted March 20, 2022 Author Share #157 Posted March 20, 2022 (edited) Got the mounting figured out. I did the math and purchased some brass sheet, cut little pieces and glued them in the pedestals. As you can see in photo where the pedestals will go, they took off the paint. I drilled 1mm holes and will epoxy brass rod into the keel and the pedestals after they are mounted to the display board. Edited March 20, 2022 by Dave_E AJohnson, davos522, Gregory and 7 others 10 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted March 23, 2022 Author Share #158 Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) Ok, I know the following photo has nothing to do with my build log, but it came today. 😁 Edited March 23, 2022 by Dave_E Keith Black, davos522, SUBaron and 6 others 9 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted March 24, 2022 Author Share #159 Posted March 24, 2022 This is getting serious now boys. 😆 Ryland Craze, davos522, AJohnson and 3 others 6 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Posted March 24, 2022 Share #160 Posted March 24, 2022 Not too serious.. Your workspace is way too clean..😁 VTHokiEE, Ryland Craze, AJohnson and 3 others 1 5 Quote “Indecision may or may not be my problem.” ― Jimmy Buffett Current builds: Rattlesnake On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted March 25, 2022 Author Share #161 Posted March 25, 2022 On 3/24/2022 at 4:07 AM, Gregory said: Not too serious.. Your workspace is way too clean..😁 I can’t help it. Comes from a lifetime of: being raised in a military family, then being in the military for 16 years, then 33 years at major aircraft manufacturer and all the way hearing, seeing and doing “clean as you go”. 😀 davos522, Quimp Slattery, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted March 26, 2022 Author Share #162 Posted March 26, 2022 Hi All, This question is really for anyone who has built the Lady. I'm to a point where I'm building the implements and structures on deck. The bow sprit mount... all per drawing and in place. I set the bow sprit in place. It doesn't even come close to sitting in the cutout at the bow ( see photo 1) without the angle being all wrong. The box cover from Amati shows the bow sprit way up off the cutout and covering the holes for the forestay. is this one of those fix the bad kit moments? Lowering the mount? Keith Black 1 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyleK1 Posted March 26, 2022 Share #163 Posted March 26, 2022 50 minutes ago, Dave_E said: Hi All, This question is really for anyone who has built the Lady. I'm to a point where I'm building the implements and structures on deck. The bow sprit mount... all per drawing and in place. I set the bow sprit in place. It doesn't even come close to sitting in the cutout at the bow ( see photo 1) without the angle being all wrong. The box cover from Amati shows the bow sprit way up off the cutout and covering the holes for the forestay. is this one of those fix the bad kit moments? Lowering the mount? I am not familiar with the kit but it seems to me that the bowsprit would go below what appears to be the pin rails. Similar to this: Dave_E, Keith Black and cdanly 3 Quote Lyle "The only thing that stays the same is the constant state of change" Completed Builds: Occre HMS Terror - https://modelshipworld.com/gallery/album/2065-hms-terror-occre/ NRG Half Hull Project - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23546-half-hull-project-by-lylek1-nrg/ 1:130 1847 Harvey - https://modelshipworld.com/gallery/album/2125-1847-baltimore-clipper-harvey-1130-scale/ Scott Miller's Sea of Galilee Boat - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/29007-sea-of-galilee-boat-by-se-miller-120-scale-lylek1/ In progress: Artesania Latina HMS Bounty - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/26817-hms-bounty-by-lylek1-artesania-latina-148-scale/ Waiting for dry-dock space: Model Shipways - USS Constitution Master Korbel - Cannon Jolle 1801 A Scratch build -TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted March 26, 2022 Share #164 Posted March 26, 2022 I covered this in my LN log Dave_E and Keith Black 2 Quote Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted March 26, 2022 Author Share #165 Posted March 26, 2022 18 minutes ago, glbarlow said: I covered this in my LN log Thanks Glenn. Good insight. I have found at least 5 drawing errors so far, this is the worst. I'll have to think about this one. 😐 Keith Black 1 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Posted March 26, 2022 Share #166 Posted March 26, 2022 8 hours ago, glbarlow said: I covered this in my LN log Right here if it helps.. Dave_E, Keith Black and glbarlow 3 Quote “Indecision may or may not be my problem.” ― Jimmy Buffett Current builds: Rattlesnake On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted March 26, 2022 Author Share #167 Posted March 26, 2022 Thanks Greg. I have Glenn’s completed Lady saved on speed dial and I visit it often when something I’m not sure about comes up and his build is a creation of quality that inspires me and gives me a result to strive for. I’m going to rebuild the original parts, will send photos when complete. Thanks 👍 Gregory, starlight, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbysLunchBox Posted March 26, 2022 Share #168 Posted March 26, 2022 I had to modify the mounts as well. Keith Black and Dave_E 2 Quote ~Kirby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share #169 Posted March 27, 2022 I spent the day fixing the mounts. I filled in the old cut out and square holes, then laid out the new position for the cross brace, cut new notches and the sprit sits at the angle per the drawing. 👌 I then drilled a 1mm hole through the mounts and the sprit and will use wire. I don’t have what it takes to cut out a 1mm square. On to other deck equipment and more eyelets. David Lester, Knocklouder, Edwardkenway and 9 others 12 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbysLunchBox Posted March 27, 2022 Share #170 Posted March 27, 2022 Very nice! I had attempted that as well, but I kept splitting the wood trying to make square holes. Keith Black 1 Quote ~Kirby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share #171 Posted March 28, 2022 I’ve decided to keep the mast and the bow sprit “wood” with no paint. I’ll paint the spars black. The kit has walnut dowels for everything. Any suggestions on stain? Just leave it? Keith Black 1 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share #172 Posted March 30, 2022 Update, coming together nicely. Also decided to stain the blocks etc.. I think they look better. Gregory, Oldsalt1950, Quimp Slattery and 3 others 6 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Posted March 30, 2022 Share #173 Posted March 30, 2022 On 3/28/2022 at 12:03 AM, Dave_E said: Just leave it? Gets my vote, with satin varnish. Dave_E and Keith Black 1 1 Quote “Indecision may or may not be my problem.” ― Jimmy Buffett Current builds: Rattlesnake On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbysLunchBox Posted March 31, 2022 Share #174 Posted March 31, 2022 Coming together very nicely! I have had a little bit of time to work on my second planking, but nothing worth sharing. Keep on keeping on! Dave_E and Keith Black 2 Quote ~Kirby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldsalt1950 Posted March 31, 2022 Share #175 Posted March 31, 2022 Dave, just put a Danish oil finish on the masts. Jim Keith Black and Dave_E 2 Quote Current Build: Fair American - Model Shipways Awaiting Parts - Rattlesnake On the Shelf - English Pinnace 18Th Century Longboat I stand firmly against piracy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted March 31, 2022 Share #176 Posted March 31, 2022 Dave, the blocks look much better than (I'm guessing) the yellow blocks that came with the kit. Dave_E 1 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share #177 Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) The Amati kit only has 10 of these things and I just horribly wasted 1 trying to get it opened up and then closed back around the deadeye. I found some YouTube videos, but they are all how to use steel wire, no one made a video on how to use these gizmos from Amati. You guys that have completed the Lady or any Amati model... how do these things work??? 😳 Edited March 31, 2022 by Dave_E Keith Black 1 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share #178 Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) I am having no luck finding out how to attach the kit supplied strops to the deadeyes (on YouTube or here on the forum)… but I see them everywhere in build logs. 🧐 I have found several articles and videos on “stropping deadeyes” with wire. I’m leaning toward trying that. Edited March 31, 2022 by Dave_E Keith Black 1 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight Posted March 31, 2022 Share #179 Posted March 31, 2022 Hm... that is troubling. My Amati kit probably has these same parts. I will give one a try today and let you know. -starlight Dave_E and Keith Black 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidEN Posted March 31, 2022 Share #180 Posted March 31, 2022 I have found this method works for me: 1. Take two pairs of pliers and gently open the strop. 2. Do not open too wide. 3. Wiggle the deadeye into place. 4. Gentle squeeze shut with the pliers 5. Deadeye should be able to rotate so as to position the holes for rigging Keith Black, Dave_E, VTHokiEE and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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