cog Posted April 27, 2013 Share #301 Posted April 27, 2013 Michael, I'm so glad you are a perfectionist and like to re-make up your mind. Now I haven't missed too much luckily, and still get a wealth of information on brass work and ship fittings e.a. Keep it up! Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted April 29, 2013 Author Share #302 Posted April 29, 2013 Alex, Carlos and Carl, thanks for your kind remarks. I have been away for a few days in the rocky mountains accompanying my good lady at the Library Conference. I had a great time no phone no computer, tons of good food spectacular environment, great accomodations. So I will be back in the shop tomorrow, back at the workbench doing a little more fiddling. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted April 30, 2013 Author Share #303 Posted April 30, 2013 Not a lot to report, other than I am redoing the method of attaching the lower dead eyes. instead of a bent wire loop I am cutting out a sheet metal loop, I think it will be cleaner overall. Michael PeteB, qwerty2008, kees de mol and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted April 30, 2013 Share #304 Posted April 30, 2013 Gotta say - the new style loop looks very nice, Michael! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted April 30, 2013 Author Share #305 Posted April 30, 2013 john thanks I noticed that the edge of the rail there needs a little refining too. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted April 30, 2013 Share #306 Posted April 30, 2013 I like it. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted May 1, 2013 Author Share #307 Posted May 1, 2013 John, Bob, thanks. I finshed the other three deadeye clamps. I used a couple of pins to set the level, this also ensured that both sides were even to the holes. This afternoon I worked on making some thimbles for the ropes. The fiest task wqas to cut some strips ofr brass 1/8 x 3/4 x 1/64 thick. These were annealed. Next I made a special benting jig out of some 1/4 x 1/4 square steel, this had a groove cut with a1/8th ball end mill. and then the end was shaped with some files. The brass was placed evenly so that a short area was laying over the grooves either side of the flat. the brass was shaped with apiece of .073 steel rod. the flat area allowed the ends to bend easily over the steel form ready for the final shaping. end part one. Michael archjofo, mtaylor, PeteB and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted May 1, 2013 Author Share #308 Posted May 1, 2013 After folding the brass over the steel it was ready for the curve at the end I used a loop of the same hard rod, this had to be heated red hot to bend. the loop was hammered down to create thecompound curve in the rounded portion. the ends were filed even before folding the thimble closed a rope wrapped around the finished thimble with a shackle. now to make a few more. Michael Archi, popeye the sailor, druxey and 7 others 10 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted May 1, 2013 Share #309 Posted May 1, 2013 Michael: That is a very nice looking thimble. I will take about a dozen. Russ Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 1, 2013 Share #310 Posted May 1, 2013 Good grief - thinbles now! There's no end to the products churning out of your blacksmiths shop, Michael! John realworkingsailor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted May 1, 2013 Share #311 Posted May 1, 2013 Impressive smithing. Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted May 1, 2013 Share #312 Posted May 1, 2013 What's next? Bottlescrews and turnbuckles? Senhouse Slips? Absolutly amazing Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Mariano Posted May 1, 2013 Share #313 Posted May 1, 2013 It´s perfect and a inteligent method ; Carlos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted May 1, 2013 Author Share #314 Posted May 1, 2013 Russ, If I could find a way to make these relatively easily I would be happy to oblige. John, not really a blacksmith more like a brassbasher. Druxey thanks. Andy, bottle screws and turnbuckles are out because I do not have the left handed taps and dies otherwise they are not too dificult. Senhouse slips, now that one I had to look up, clever device that. Those would be easy enough but I don't think I will need one. Thanks all for your kind remarks. Of course the proof will be making a few more without taking all day. All these different items are all about sorting out how to make things that will be needed for completing this model and then will be useful knowledge for the next build, when this one is finished. Every time I turn around it seems there is something new to figure out. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted May 1, 2013 Share #315 Posted May 1, 2013 Michael, Your abilities shine brightly. Not just your ability to make all these small parts that a real boat has, but also the ability to figure out how to make them. My Cap is off to you. In which case I’m just Bob rlb 1 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 2, 2013 Share #316 Posted May 2, 2013 Michael and Andy, I always thought that 'turnbuckle' was the North American word for 'bottlescrew', but you've both used both terms - Is there a difference? Michael, you could always put a Senhouse slip on the lashing for the dinghy! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted May 2, 2013 Share #317 Posted May 2, 2013 They really are the same thing, but turnbuckles are generally open sided and bottlescrews are closed. Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlb Posted May 2, 2013 Share #318 Posted May 2, 2013 Michael, add my admiration to all the others'. It's a joy to watch you figure out each successive piece of the puzzle. Ron Quote Building: US Brig Oneida (1809) HMS Euryalus (1803) Completed: John Alden Sloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 2, 2013 Share #319 Posted May 2, 2013 Thanks Andy - we tend to call both 'bottlescrews' (or sometimes the open sided one 'rigging screw). John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted May 2, 2013 Author Share #320 Posted May 2, 2013 Bob, thanks for your kind words. John, what Dinghy? Andy yes when I looked up the term bottlescrew up came Turnbuckles. Ron thanks for your kind thoughts. So today I think I might have screwed up the first batch of thimbles Started out well enough these after the initial bendings following the earlier sequence. I closed up the thimbles by wrapping the rope and then squeezing the open end between my thumb and index finger. thimble closed a mottly crew of thimbles lined up but then I shortened them because I thought they were too long. Now I am not so sure, and think they are too short. I will need to do some reading now and find some real thimbles to get the proportions correct. Oh well! Michael archjofo, kees de mol, PeteB and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 2, 2013 Share #321 Posted May 2, 2013 Michael, Have a look at this web page - it's a manufacturer's catalogue with thimble sozes. http://www.nobles.com.au/3dissue/section03/files/14.html John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted May 2, 2013 Author Share #322 Posted May 2, 2013 (edited) Hi John the link want me to download adobe Flash player and I already have flash player so I am not getting the info but I did find this page which seems pretty good. the download is a line drawing with all the sizes for different thimbles. I just swiched over to firefox because IE kept getting hung up. Michael Edited May 2, 2013 by michael mott aykutansin 1 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 2, 2013 Share #323 Posted May 2, 2013 Great, Michael. There seem to be quite a few manufacturers who have all the dimensions published. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted May 6, 2013 Author Share #324 Posted May 6, 2013 (edited) A little break from the brass work, I have made the four shrouds,and served and seized the tops, the bottoms need to be done next. I made some mods to the serving machine which I posted over in tools. the shrouds are made from 4 three strand ropes of 6 yarns per strand and they are .093" diameter and the forestay is from 4 three strand ropes of 10 yarns per strand and is .120" diameter. Michael Edited May 6, 2013 by michael mott Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted May 6, 2013 Share #325 Posted May 6, 2013 If you want your thimbles to close better, try filing the inside edges so when they meet, they will close flat. It may take away some of the channel at the end, but this is proper for a full sized thimble. Otherwise, job well done Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted May 6, 2013 Share #326 Posted May 6, 2013 Michael, Thanks for showing us how you make the thimbles. It’s a lot easier than the other methods I’ve seen. But as Andy said, you need to file the insides. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Wood Posted May 6, 2013 Share #327 Posted May 6, 2013 Michael, I've been away from MSW for a few weels and trying to catch up with everyones progress. Needless to say your work is awsome! Keep posting your progress. Cheers, Tim Quote Tim Current Build: Future Build: BlueJacket - USS Kidd (Fletcher Class Destroyer) Solid Hull BlueJacket - U.S.S. SAMUEL B. ROBERTS, DE413 | Butler-Class Destroyer Escort BlueJacket - 310' Destroyer "The famous "four-piper" of both World Wars" Model Shipways - Pride of Baltimore II (Topsail Schooner) Model Shipways - Willie L. Bennett (Chesapeake Bay Skipjack) Constructo - Pilar (Ernest Hemingway's Fishing Yacht) Sergal - Race Horse (Bomb Ketch) Classic Warships - USS Salem CA-139 (Heavy Cruiser) Resin Kit Pen Duick Schooner - Half Hull (Scratch Build) CSA Submarine Hunley (Resin Kit) Classic Warships - USS Washington BB-56 (Battleship) Resin Kit Blue Ridge Models - USS Alaska CB-1 (Resin Kit) Completed Builds: 18th Century Sea Mortar Endeavour Half Hull by BlueJacket Ship Crafters Scratch Build - Atlantic (Schooner 1903) Half Hull: Winner of the 1905 Kaiser's Cup Race. BlueJacket 80' ELCO PT Boat 1/48 scale Member: Hampton Roads Ship Model Society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stelios Posted May 6, 2013 Share #328 Posted May 6, 2013 Michael, I was thinking, to build so many details is one thing, to spend time on top and record the progress by taking pictures, is something else. We all know how time consuming it can be when we want to take pictures, especially when the pictures are of such quality and detail like yours. A job well done! Stelios Quote Current build: not decided yet. Previous builds: Traditional Greek vessel "Symiaki Skafi" (scratch) Traditional Greek vessel "Perama" (scratch) HMS Bounty (kit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted May 6, 2013 Author Share #329 Posted May 6, 2013 Andy, Bob, Timothy, Thanks for the great feedback, Yes regarding the thimbles now that I know how to bend them and my practice seems to have worked out well enough the next step will be figuring out the filing of the ends to make them close the way they do in full size practice. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted May 7, 2013 Author Share #330 Posted May 7, 2013 Stelios we must have been posting at the same time, thank you for your kind remarks. This evening I made one of those critical errors that one wishes they could take back but alas I will have to make one more of these. Yes I cut the shroud instead of the tail when trimming to length....... Arrrrrrrrgh!!! when preparing to serve the dead eye end. Michael qwerty2008 1 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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