mtaylor Posted July 30, 2013 Share #451 Posted July 30, 2013 Michael, This build just gets more and more impressive everytime. Those beads are almost too perfect. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted July 31, 2013 Share #452 Posted July 31, 2013 Your leather work was nice but it seems a shame to cover up such nice jaws. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share #453 Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) Mark thanks for your comment, Bob I am thinking of only covering the inside curve that could chaff on the mast, so instead of stitching the leather like a glove I am thinking of glue with a row of tiny tacks along the top and bottom edges. more like this Michael Edited November 6, 2015 by michael mott PeteB, realworkingsailor, aykutansin and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted July 31, 2013 Share #454 Posted July 31, 2013 I think that may be a bit more correct. I'm no expert, but on the odd wooden gaff that I have seen IRL, that was how it was done. Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share #455 Posted July 31, 2013 Andy thanks for the confirmation, I was looking at a sketch in John Leathers book The Gaff Rig. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Mariano Posted July 31, 2013 Share #456 Posted July 31, 2013 Hello Michael You´re right about this detail http://modelshipworld.com/uploads/monthly_07_2013/post-202-0-07778200-1375238654_thumb.jpg But sometimes there is a coper or brass even leather plate around de mast where the gaff usualy works Best regards and keep working so nicely way carlos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share #457 Posted July 31, 2013 Carlos thanks for your comment. In John Leather's book he mentions the copper plate and said that it also was a cause of problems on the mast and that sometimes it caused some rot under it. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted July 31, 2013 Share #458 Posted July 31, 2013 nice work on the beads and gaff.....look forward in seeing her with some color Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Mariano Posted August 1, 2013 Share #459 Posted August 1, 2013 Hello Michael here´s a detailed foto of the jaws ,we can see exactly the leather On this foto we can see the rings around the mast for the main sail By the way ;are you registed in facebook ? I ´ve many fotos to share Best regards aykutansin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Mariano Posted August 1, 2013 Share #460 Posted August 1, 2013 There is no brass or copper around the mast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share #461 Posted August 1, 2013 Carlos thank you for posting those two pictures they are very informative. I am not on Facebook, and have no intention of getting on it either. I do have email and I do enjoy this forum and have a photobucket page. Regards Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aykutansin Posted August 2, 2013 Share #462 Posted August 2, 2013 pictures are very nice Quote Aykut Anşin Finished hms triton Current chaloupe-armee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wishmaster Posted August 2, 2013 Share #463 Posted August 2, 2013 Impressive scale and impressive model Excellent craftsmanship Michael Quote Past build: BRACERA "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do... Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the tradewinds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover" KIND REGARDS! ELMIR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted August 6, 2013 Author Share #464 Posted August 6, 2013 Akutansin, Elmir, thanks for your kind words. I have been chipping away at the gaff, literally using the shrink tubing i made a wire strop for the gaff and was pleased with my stops set into the gaff they are boxwood And now I know that the drawing in John Leathers book was correct and that the chock stops face the same direction The wire is too stiff though so I need either thinner softer wire or I will use rope, I prefer the wire so will look at what options there are for that. I did haul up the gaff using the blocks it was fun threading the halliards, I did a quick and dirty job of tying the halliards with hitches, I keep running out of shackles and blocks! and I take my hat off to all you folk building and rigging fully rigged three masters, that would send me to the loony bin. It is interesting thinking about the different types of blocks needed for the rigging to function properly though. The thing I need to address now is some cleats and belaying pins. Earlier in the day I was working on the other boat. Michael qwerty2008, popeye the sailor, PeteB and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted August 6, 2013 Share #465 Posted August 6, 2013 sweet looking rigging Michael.......you've achieved realism. that's the beauty of it! if you were to put weight on it, does it conform to shape? perhaps that's all it lacks...........nicely done! Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted August 6, 2013 Share #466 Posted August 6, 2013 I was also wondering if a mock set up for the gaff strop and some tension on it would shape the wire to the 'V' it should be. Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted August 6, 2013 Share #467 Posted August 6, 2013 Rigging on the mast is beautiful, but I agree the wire is too stiff. Some insulated electrical wires are very flexible, maybe if you remove the insolation and color the copper . . . I'm sure you will figure something out you've done so good so far. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted August 6, 2013 Author Share #468 Posted August 6, 2013 Popeye, and Druxey. I did put a little tension on the gaff to see what effect that would have and I was concerned that the combined weight of the sail and boom even with some tension would not be enough to overcome the stiffness of the wire which is .047 which in 1:8 scale is 3/8th an inch which seems a little heavy anyway. if I use the .024" wire it is a little over 3/16th in scale. so I will see how that looks. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted August 6, 2013 Author Share #469 Posted August 6, 2013 Hi Bob We must have been cross posting, I am going to see what I can do with the smaller beading wire cable first. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted August 6, 2013 Author Share #470 Posted August 6, 2013 The .024" plastic coated Beadalon 49 strand wire works well. This is with the boom hanging loose and no extra tension, I need to get some smaller diameter black heat shrink. and make the loops bigger but I am happy with the way it is hanging. Also I need to reverse the inside chock. I think I will also make a small saddle for the wire to attach to the block rather than just the shackle. Michael Padeen, Torrens, mtaylor and 6 others 9 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted August 6, 2013 Share #471 Posted August 6, 2013 beautifull rig Michael, I can`t wait to see more.... Nils Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted August 6, 2013 Share #472 Posted August 6, 2013 I had a look at various rigs for gaff peak halyards.. Seems like when rigged like yours, it could also have a block on the static wire. So you could have a sister block, or two separate blocks joined at the strop. It you google image search "gaff peak halyard" there are some great images of various arrangements. Either way, she looks great. Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted August 6, 2013 Share #473 Posted August 6, 2013 Michael, Just catching up after a long holiday to find that your rigging is progressing beautifully. The Bristol Channel pilot cutters usually had a saddle on the span, but there are also old photos showing the use of a block, so take your pick. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrens Posted August 8, 2013 Share #474 Posted August 8, 2013 Beautiful workmanship Michael. Well done. With the obviously highly developed skills you have I was wondering what a cutaway model would look like - what with all that internal joinery work in the cabins, etc, etc...??? Maybe a future project... And a very nice workshop too! Quote Michael member of United States Naval Institute Royal United Services Institute Society for Nautical Research Navy Records Society author of The Art of Nautical lllustration - A Visual Tribute to the Classic Marine Painters, 1991, 2001 & 2002 United States Coast Guard barque Eagle, 2013 (Blurb Photobook) former assistant editor of the quarterly journal and annual Model Shipwright and Shipwright 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted August 8, 2013 Author Share #475 Posted August 8, 2013 Hi Nils thanks for your kind remark. Hi Andy thanks for the comments I did have a look at the web images I am not sure I fully understand you comment though about sister blocks. Hi John good to see you back from holidays, I am going to make a saddle for the wire span, just haven't got there yet. I did make a twisted shackle yesterday it allows the block to stay in line with the one on the mast. I made a better one today after a lot of mucking about with form tools for the brass turning. Michael PeteB, Calhoun Zabel, qwerty2008 and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAd My Fingers Posted August 8, 2013 Share #476 Posted August 8, 2013 Michael, she's looking great--really am enjoying watching this beauty unfold in your hands! Jay Quote Current Build: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted August 8, 2013 Author Share #477 Posted August 8, 2013 Michael thanks for your kind comment, seems we posted at the same time. regarding your question about cutaways for myself it is not in the cards if I build a boat then it goes into the water, and unfortunately the water would just pour into a cutaway. Jay thanks, I need to get a move on or I will never get this puppy in the water. Actually I do want to get the hull painted soon but I want to finish off the main rigging hardware white the mast is in place , I can make the rest of the deck furniture and all that after I remove the mast. Since I am making it up as I go along, and not following an exact set of plans it is a bit of a learning curve. Michael CAd My Fingers 1 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted August 8, 2013 Share #478 Posted August 8, 2013 Very nice detail work Michael, I can imagine a great sense of satisfaction having working rigging. Regards, B.E. Quote Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted August 10, 2013 Author Share #479 Posted August 10, 2013 B.E. thanks for stopping by. It interesting working on each aspect separately as the need to operate the rigging and sails dictates what I have to make next. each task seems to require more research into how things are done. Last evening I was able to make the rail for the bottom of the mast the posts knees and rail are all from different colours of maple they are not glued yet. The posts are set through the deck and abut the beam in front of them. The belaying pin is a placeholder to see what they would look like the final ones will be from Lignum Vitae. Michael jaerschen, Padeen, Carlos Mariano and 10 others 13 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted August 10, 2013 Share #480 Posted August 10, 2013 Silly question perhaps, but wouldn't all the edges of the coamings and other deck fittings be chamfered or rounded off a little? The model looks terrific, though. Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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