Jim Lad Posted April 12, 2013 Share #211 Posted April 12, 2013 Another great lesson in metalwork for us, Michael. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted April 13, 2013 Author Share #212 Posted April 13, 2013 Matt it is a Myford ML7 Sarah, thanks Thanks John, I'm not sure about the lesson though. Before moving on to finish the rest of the tabs I was tired of hitting my index finger with the locking screw of the jewelers saw. So I made a new one this morning with a smaller head end The handle is rosewood the locking bar is ebony the rest is brass and steel. after fretting out the rest of the tabs it took about 1/2 hour to set it up to solder with some soft iron wire to hold it all together, the silver solder was slug over the tabs like saddles The wire did get attached in a few places but will clean up easily enough. The rest will wait till tomorrow. Michael PeteB and billocrates 2 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted April 13, 2013 Share #213 Posted April 13, 2013 That looks an excellent saw frame you made there, Michael. By the way, I think every Auto Electrician in Sydney owns a Myford 7. I walked into one workshop to do a survey and saw a cheap Chinese lathe on the bench. I commented to the owner that he must be the only Auto Elec. in Sydeny without a Myford 7 and he said, "I took the Myford home to my workshop there - I'm not going to let these idiots ruin it." John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archjofo Posted April 13, 2013 Share #214 Posted April 13, 2013 Hello Michael, your metal work is excellent and also the rest of the model. Quote Best regards Johann Video: La Créole - Scale 1/48, French corvette of 1827 - naval artillery La Créole - Scale 1/48, French corvette - Construction of long boat La Créole - Scale 1/48, French corvette - Construction of the masts La Créole - Scale 1/48, French corvette - 2019 La Créole - Scale 1/48, French corvette - standing rigging - part 1 La Créole - Scale 1/48, French corvette - standing rigging - part 2 La Créole - Scale 1/48, French corvette - standing rigging - part 3 See also our german forum for Sailing Ship Modeling and History: www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted April 13, 2013 Share #215 Posted April 13, 2013 Michael, I like your new saw. I have a saw like your old one and am tempted to make a new one like yours. But I can’t figure out how you hold the end of the blade without the thumb screw clamp. Help please. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted April 13, 2013 Author Share #216 Posted April 13, 2013 John , Johann, thanks for your kind words. Bob here is a couple of pictures that will hopefully show the way that the blade is clamped. The screws are 4x40 the top one is a regular cap screw the bottom one is a round head cap screw for the top one I drilled a #43 hole and slotted the end with a .010 slotting saw and the bottom one is by having a clearance hole #33 through the brass arm and a piece of 1/4x 1/4 brass threaded with the 4x40 to clamp to the main bar. Michael PeteB, sonicmcdude, billocrates and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted April 13, 2013 Share #217 Posted April 13, 2013 Thanks, Michael. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted April 14, 2013 Author Share #218 Posted April 14, 2013 The Gammon Iron was mounted today and a saddle carved for the bowsprit along with finishing cleaning up the bowsprit end cap. I will need to make a protective metal saddle for the anchor on the opposite side of the Gammon Iron and also the winch for the anchor chain. I'm beginning to see why these models take a while. I put 4 screws to hold the cap to the bowsprit. The next items are the jib traveler for the bowsprit and the bob stay fitting on the stem. Michael popeye the sailor, garyshipwright, PeteB and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted April 14, 2013 Share #219 Posted April 14, 2013 Michael: Nice work as always. The band and lugs on the bowsprit are incredible. Russ Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted April 14, 2013 Share #220 Posted April 14, 2013 Now that it's nicely scewed on, you'll need to remove the bowsprit band to fit the traveller! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful Posted April 14, 2013 Share #221 Posted April 14, 2013 Hi Michael, Some of us are good at a few things, orthers at more things. Seems you are good at most everything. Its a joy to follow your build. BFN, Hopeful aka David Quote Completed Sharpie Schooner: (Midwest) Current: Sultana (MS) Current: Phantom (MS) Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted April 14, 2013 Author Share #222 Posted April 14, 2013 Russ, thanks, I must admit the clean up looked daunting yesterday, especially with the iron wire embedded into some of the silver solder. John, yes I know one step forward and one step back. After the bits and knees were glued to the deck I had to go back and shave about 1/32 off the width of the bowsprit. so now I need to go look at travelers and see how they were made. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted April 14, 2013 Author Share #223 Posted April 14, 2013 Hi David, Thanks, building stuff I can do, play a musical note you don't want to hear it, My musical abilities would make a deaf person cringe. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted April 14, 2013 Share #224 Posted April 14, 2013 There's a couple of good photos of travellers on Smackdock, Michael. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted April 15, 2013 Author Share #225 Posted April 15, 2013 John Thanks for pointing me to the site. Today I did a little more metalwork, made the bob stay fitting and then mucked about sorting out a shackle. The fitting on the stem was fretted out folded and then the holes drilled and tapped then the tab was silver soldered on. The shackle was a lot more work than I thought it would be. At first I bent up some different diameters of brass rod, but was not really happy with any of it. So opted to make one out of some 5/16 x 1/16 brass strip. Bending it to shape was a bit harder because I did not want to anneal the brass I wanted to keep it hard. After the main body was bent to shape I tapped the locking side and then turned up a pin and flattened the end to facilitate winding it in, I still need to drill a small hole in the flattened end to add a safety wire. I had a little chain not quite the right stuff but good enough to get a good Idea of how the final will look. Michael druxey, themadchemist, PeteB and 5 others 8 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted April 15, 2013 Share #226 Posted April 15, 2013 Sure, models like yours 'take a while' if they are built to your high standard, Michael! Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbuilder101 Posted April 15, 2013 Share #227 Posted April 15, 2013 The brass strip was definitely the way to go...great looking shackle! Quote Sherry Every goodbye is the birth of a memory... Current Build: San Felipe Finished Builds: Mayflower Build Log Gallery: Mayflower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted April 15, 2013 Share #228 Posted April 15, 2013 The only thing I can is that your work is in a class by itself. Incredible. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted April 15, 2013 Share #229 Posted April 15, 2013 Now that's one bobstay fitting that isn't going to pull out! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted April 15, 2013 Author Share #230 Posted April 15, 2013 Druxey, Sherry, Mark, John thanks for the kind comments. I feel a bit like a dog with a bone sometimes, The shakle thing was still bothering me so I did some more experiments today and the results are promising. First I thinned down a bit of 3/32 brass rod into a sort of dumbbell then I annealed and flattened the ends re annealed and flattened a little more Then holding the unit in the round nosed pliers folded up the ends next the ends were flattened in the vice to ensure they were flat to each other Then drilled and tapped 2x56 and added the pin and hooked it up to a pulley. I think I will use this method for the rest of the shackles big and small. Michael Foremast, PeteB, Andrea Rossato and 9 others 12 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted April 15, 2013 Share #231 Posted April 15, 2013 Yikes.... he's gone and done it... he made a real shackle.... The only thing missing is a hole in the outside end of the pin so it can be moused... Michael, I must say I've been quietly following your build for some time, and your machining is utterly incredible, to say nothing of the impressiveness of your build. Andy davyboy 1 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted April 15, 2013 Share #232 Posted April 15, 2013 Well I'll be .... One only genuine shackle - but at a very small size! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted April 16, 2013 Share #233 Posted April 16, 2013 Michael, As always, fine work. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foremast Posted April 16, 2013 Share #234 Posted April 16, 2013 Michael, I'm amazed in front of a so tiny shackle. I have seen the picture with its measure, then I've translated it in the metric-decimal system (I'm used to it...) and I'm still staring to your shackle. Great! Alex Quote If any of you cry at my funeral, I'll never speak to you again! (Stan Laurel) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted April 16, 2013 Share #235 Posted April 16, 2013 Next, Michael will be forging those shackles! Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBlack Posted April 16, 2013 Share #236 Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) I can't add any different compliments; your work is truly amazing. I did spend some time looking at those two shackles and tried to figure out why the first one didn't measure up. I'm guessing that you didn't like the fact that the body of the first one, coming from strip, had a rectangular cross section as opposed to round? Also, I'm not sure how you get the pin to have the flat place for your fingers looking so symmetrical and smooth. Oh, and the block that's included in the bobstay rig doesn't look too bad either! Tom Edited April 17, 2013 by TBlack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted April 16, 2013 Share #237 Posted April 16, 2013 Here I am thinking the first one was work of art and suddenly.... an improved work of art. Yikes!!! Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSiemens Posted April 17, 2013 Share #238 Posted April 17, 2013 Michael your making this look "All to easy". That was cheesy but it's what I thought of after I initially wrote the comment. I was also wondering if there was any progress on the little cutter. Quote Daniel We're ship in bottle builders, it's an occupational hazard. www.siemensbottlingco.blogspot.com http://www.bottledshipbuilder.com Current Builds: Bermuda Sloop Wood Krafters Pirate Ship Completed: 20 Gun Frigate Olympic 470 Bermuda Sloop Super Mini Queen Anne's Revenge German Cutter Mercury Santa Maria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted April 17, 2013 Author Share #239 Posted April 17, 2013 Andy, thanks for the compliment, I was tired by the time I got to the photographs, I left the holes for today. John, yes, the interesting thing is that there are all sorts of shackles, I have some that are made from sheet stainless that are used in small boats., looking at the photographs of the full size smacks and Cutters it seems that many of them are either galvanized or bronze. Alex today I used the metric side of the scale so that you don't have to do the calculation, I also made some smaller shackles. Druxey I suppose that swageing the ends is akin to forging in a way, thanks for stopping by. Tom, The first one is still OK it is going to stay in the lower bob stay fitting, I must say though that I prefer the aesthetics of the turned and swaged shackles. Mark thanks, for that comment. Daniel, I am happy that you think it looks easy, As I was working on them I was thinking about some of the metal work done by the folk here like Remco and Recon and Gaetan turning up all those cannons and all the little bits that go with them , makes my humble little shackles seem rather clunky. Regarding the little cutter I am giving my eyes a rest, I will get a little more done soon. Sometimes I wonder why I go to all this effort but I am having a lot of fun. Today I started to manufacture a few more shackles some were turned from some 1/8th inch rod and some from some 5/32 inch rod, a couple were from 3/32 Inch rod. I used the same process as before, I did these while waiting for the segments to glue for the winch barrels. Flattening the ends of the turned parts This pic shows the smaller shackles Evening up the ends prior to drilling Gluing up the barrel staves I am gluing them in pairs which I find much easier that trying to glue them all at once. this way they do not need clamping. family shot of the different sizes of shackles. The new smaller one has a 1x72 threaded pin which was made from 1/16th rod I have a busy day tomorrow in town and into the evening so that's it for a little while I will be happy when this snow is finally gone and I can get the door open and get the hull painted with some top coats. Michael billocrates, garyshipwright and PeteB 3 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foremast Posted April 17, 2013 Share #240 Posted April 17, 2013 Again, great work Michael! ... and thanks for the metric gauge A question: how can you succeed in drilling exactly aligned both sides of the shackle? Alex Quote If any of you cry at my funeral, I'll never speak to you again! (Stan Laurel) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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