bebopsteve Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share #151 Posted April 9, 2015 Wow... Finally got the lower dead eyes done. Got the cap-rails stained. And the guns rigged. I will post some photos tonite I hope.. Chuck Seiler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Seiler Posted April 21, 2015 Share #152 Posted April 21, 2015 Pics! Pics! Pics! Pics! How did you end up doing your lower dead eyes? I remember having a tough time with those. ...tying the knots in the right place after running the line thru the hole in the hull was difficult. I think what I ended up doing was determine where the know should be. Tie it BEFORE putting it through the hole, making it about the same size as the hole. When I pulled the knot thru the hole, it was hard, but with a little effort I pulled it through and it was not going back. bebopsteve 1 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, John Smith Shallop Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebopsteve Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share #153 Posted May 6, 2015 Here are some recent photos of Philly. Chuck, I used Kurt's idea for the dead eye knots. I simply made the knots and glued them on. Just an illusion! Lol.. Chuck Seiler, garywatt, lb0190 and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebopsteve Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share #154 Posted May 6, 2015 Of course the 2 cat heads you see are broken. I dropped the boat and snap! C-ya! Anyway, Model Expo is sending replacements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Seiler Posted May 7, 2015 Share #155 Posted May 7, 2015 Better now than when you have the mast on. So, the catheads broke but the flimsey railing in the back didn't? Hmmmm. bebopsteve 1 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, John Smith Shallop Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebopsteve Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share #156 Posted May 7, 2015 Lol. I caught the boat and basically I grabbed the catheads. I received the replacements today. I will prep them but not install the yet.. I tried to blacken the cleats, but apparently wrong metal to do that. In Kurt's last installment, he airbrushed them. Chuck. will I ever finish this thing? (kidding. Having loads of fun)!!! Canute 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Seiler Posted May 8, 2015 Share #157 Posted May 8, 2015 Aw, c'mon, it hasn't been a year yet. Canute and bebopsteve 2 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, John Smith Shallop Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebopsteve Posted May 8, 2015 Author Share #158 Posted May 8, 2015 Yeah I know.. I am working on the cleats.. trying to figure how to affix them solid. They are sure small. Drilling holes? tough I think. Chuck Seiler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Seiler Posted May 15, 2015 Share #159 Posted May 15, 2015 Small, yeah. One problem with cleats is/are that unlike some pieces of the model, they may have to take a strain....and will pop out. For Philly 1 I used some brass cleats from Blue Jacket. They are flat, but in that scale you don't notice. Also, they have a longer stem so they sink into the wood further. I used a glue, can't recall the name but I will get it. It is not quite an epoxy, but stronger than regular wood glue. For Philly 2 I am thinking of using some of Chuck P's wood cleats. The plan is to drill a small hole down the center and use a small dowel to give it more depth. I usually use bamboo, because you can get it real small and it is still strong. I turn it down with my dremel and sand paper. bebopsteve, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, John Smith Shallop Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebopsteve Posted May 16, 2015 Author Share #160 Posted May 16, 2015 I have another question! Give the ball to Marshawn? Just kidding, I'm over that loss.. Anyway, the rudder. In Ships n Scale Kurt used reinforcing boards on the rudder. Should this be done on both sides? Thanks in advanced!! Chuck Seiler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Seiler Posted May 16, 2015 Share #161 Posted May 16, 2015 No, just the starboard side. bebopsteve 1 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, John Smith Shallop Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Seiler Posted May 16, 2015 Share #162 Posted May 16, 2015 Speaking of Kurt....his article in the recent Ships in Scale is terrific. Excellent pics. Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, John Smith Shallop Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebopsteve Posted May 16, 2015 Author Share #163 Posted May 16, 2015 Thanks Chuck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtvd19 Posted May 23, 2015 Share #164 Posted May 23, 2015 We had two great models of the Philadelphia entered at the Manitowoc contest last week. Both took Gold medals and one took the Best of Show award! Before anybody makes their fireplace cook stove read my article - Part 7 - the concluding article on this model, about how I made bricks for the fireplace and how the Best of Show model maker did his. I would do it his way if I were to do it again, but don't use the wooden bricks from the kit - make real bricks. I have attached 2 photos of the fireplace. The first one is mine. I worked at making it look like it wasn't done by a bricklayer, figuring that the builders of the Philadelphia didn't include brick layers. The other is made by Sam Parent from Winona, MN who won the best of show award. He also made a lot of cooking gear as well as a lot of the stuff needed to load and fire the guns. Excellent work. Sam's is more closely that of a brick mason's work. Photo of Sam's fireplace is by him. We both made representations of fires in the fireplaces. Kurt Ryland Craze, tasmanian, GuntherMT and 6 others 9 Quote Kurt Van Dahm Director NAUTICAL RESEARCH GUILD www.thenrg.org SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS CLUBS Nautical Research & Model Ship Society of Chicago Midwest Model Shipwrights North Shore Deadeyes The Society of Model Shipwrights Butch O'Hare - IPMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted May 23, 2015 Share #165 Posted May 23, 2015 Kurt, Both your's and Sam's are great looking fireplaces. Wow!!!! Canute 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebopsteve Posted May 23, 2015 Author Share #166 Posted May 23, 2015 Both look great! Thanks for posting those Kurt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtvd19 Posted May 24, 2015 Share #167 Posted May 24, 2015 (edited) I have attached another photo of Sam Parent's Philadelphia for you guys to drool over. The details he has added are plentiful and truly make this a remarkable model. Sam is new to the NRG, I signed him up at the contest, and I am going to ask him to join in here. I gave a spiel at the modeler's symposium there about MSW and the NRG and I think we probably already have some new lurkers at MSW from there. Maybe he will share more photos with us. Photo by Sam Parent. Kurt Edited May 25, 2015 by kurtvd19 mtaylor, lb0190, Canute and 5 others 8 Quote Kurt Van Dahm Director NAUTICAL RESEARCH GUILD www.thenrg.org SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS CLUBS Nautical Research & Model Ship Society of Chicago Midwest Model Shipwrights North Shore Deadeyes The Society of Model Shipwrights Butch O'Hare - IPMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted May 24, 2015 Share #168 Posted May 24, 2015 I remember asking him several questions about his Philly. That model was outstanding. It was very detailed and each time you look you see something else that catches your eye. David B bebopsteve 1 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted May 24, 2015 Share #169 Posted May 24, 2015 Yowzah! Beautiful detailing there! Well done. bebopsteve 1 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebopsteve Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share #170 Posted May 26, 2015 Kurt, is that a scratch or kit build? It really is outstanding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted May 26, 2015 Share #171 Posted May 26, 2015 Kurt and all,to me that looks like scratch, the detailing is outstanding. Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtvd19 Posted May 27, 2015 Share #172 Posted May 27, 2015 No, it is the kit with a lot of added details. The modeler was entered in the Novice class - by virtue of his award his future entries will be in the Intermediate class.. A gold medal automatically moves the modeler up one class minimum. Kurt Canute and bebopsteve 2 Quote Kurt Van Dahm Director NAUTICAL RESEARCH GUILD www.thenrg.org SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS CLUBS Nautical Research & Model Ship Society of Chicago Midwest Model Shipwrights North Shore Deadeyes The Society of Model Shipwrights Butch O'Hare - IPMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebopsteve Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share #173 Posted May 27, 2015 Nice! Great Stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Seiler Posted May 28, 2015 Share #174 Posted May 28, 2015 There is hope for us all!!! Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, John Smith Shallop Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted May 28, 2015 Share #175 Posted May 28, 2015 Certainly fooled me. That's amazing! Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sxparent Posted June 1, 2015 Share #176 Posted June 1, 2015 I am finally am on line with this forum. Thank you all for the compliments as they are very encouraging!!! Attached are a couple of shots mid ship and aft as per Kurt's request. Feel free to ask as I will try to answer questions. Again, Thank you all for the kind words! dgbot, GuntherMT, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbshan Posted June 1, 2015 Share #177 Posted June 1, 2015 Not to detract from anybody else's work, the boat at the Smithsonian has the fireplace on the deck just forward of the port gun. ???? Quote Joel Sanborn http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9953-lexington-by-jbshan-dlumberyard-164-from-the-seaways-practicum-by-clay-feldman/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sxparent Posted June 1, 2015 Share #178 Posted June 1, 2015 In answer to Joel Sanborn's query. When the Smithsonian first acquired the Philadelphia, that was the location that they speculated the hearth would have been. Later, after the curator (Howard P. Hoffman) did the complete survey, it was discovered that there were char marks on the under side of the mast partner on the port side of the forward cockpit, placing the original hearth in that spot rather then amidships. Hoffman did a very detailed set of plans based on the survey (16 pages to be exact) that can be obtained from the Smithsonian (at nominal cost!) that shows wonderful details of the hearth among other things. It was well worth the price as it was invaluable for my model's detail work. Sam P. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbshan Posted June 1, 2015 Share #179 Posted June 1, 2015 Ahhh. QED. Thank you, Sam. bebopsteve and mtaylor 2 Quote Joel Sanborn http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9953-lexington-by-jbshan-dlumberyard-164-from-the-seaways-practicum-by-clay-feldman/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtvd19 Posted June 1, 2015 Share #180 Posted June 1, 2015 Welcome to MSW Sam. Let us know if you decide to post photos of the model in the completed build area. Kurt mtaylor and bebopsteve 2 Quote Kurt Van Dahm Director NAUTICAL RESEARCH GUILD www.thenrg.org SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS CLUBS Nautical Research & Model Ship Society of Chicago Midwest Model Shipwrights North Shore Deadeyes The Society of Model Shipwrights Butch O'Hare - IPMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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