HMS Victory by foxy - Heller - 1/100 - PLASTIC - with Dafi's etch & resin set

[Old Collingwood]

Fantastic work there my friend you have an eye for detail that is amazing

 

OC

[ronald305]

thanks I do appreciate that OC

   but I would like to see a glimpse of the 1/180 scale Victory build in the area where the second deck gets installed

    better yet I would love to see a video of the 1/180 scale victory being built from the time the box is open till she is placed on

    a display base, I know that is asking to much so instead I'll be happy to hear from 1/180 victory builders past and present

       especially from frank if he still has the photos that is if he did log on that kit

                                 Ronald                                 

[mtaylor]

Ronald,

 

How about opening a build log of your own?  That way we can see what your doing.  

[Old Collingwood]

I sure would follow that and offer any help I could from my previous De Ag  Victory build and from the times I visited Victory at Portsmouth.

 

OC

[foxy]

Hi Ronald.

 

I to can help ,Having most of the Build for the 180 Victory pictures saved.

 

If you start a build log and don't mind me showing pictures of the build that's relevant to your questions on your log. 

 

For some of the build I used Scale Warship(UK) etched parts, most for the netting and shrouds, they do a set for the 180 Victory ship.

 

I would be happy to help if I can.

 

Frank. 

Edited November 23, 2015 by foxy

[foxy]

Well need a little advice on the sails.

 

The lower one's will be furled, the others will be billowing.

 

Now my question is what spray starch or hair spray should I use for the cloth sails.

 

I am thinking on using the Heller plastic one's and laying the cloth sails over and spray, leave to dry then add tapes and blocks etc, 'well that's the plan'.

 

Any advice would be most welcome and appreciated.

 

Frank.

[Old Collingwood]

That sounds like a plan frank,  the idea with placing the cloth on top of the plastic ones should work well as they should provide a good mask type thing,   are you going to age the sail cloth with tea or vinegar etc?

 

OC 

[foxy]

Thanks OC  .
 
Well as most British warships had white sails were possible, but hob/sense  licence can be applied here .
 
A better picture of the tops so far.





Just to finish the ratties and then its sails/yards.

Most done on the yards, but might add sails to yards first before mounting.'we shall see'.

Frank. 

[JerseyCity Frankie]

My entire Heller Victory build log is focused on the sails. You may find some helpful information on whichever aspects of sail making you are focusing on. I'm not saying the way I made my sails is the best way but I have certainly given the issue a lot of thought.

[foxy]

Cheers Frankie.

 

Have taken another look at your sail building and have some of your pictures saved to get reference from.

 

AS you can see I have been following it very closely.

 

Thanks for explaining the technic aspect of this and very usefull it has been.

 

I can see you have been a long time in working on this side of sailing ships.

 

That's what this and other forums are for, so we all, if interested, can learn from others.

 

Thanks again.

 

Frank.

[foxy]

 

 

Had my glass case delivered and it will now keep the dust off the ship.

 

 

 

Then its to the sails, I am using cloth sails for this ship with the lower main/foremast being furled.

This will entail bunting lines/blocks.

To that end I have added bunting loops in the hope that all will work and draw up the cloth sails!!!!.

 

First the ropes added, note there are no details to this fore course sail or the main one.

 

 

Added then to the yard shown from the rear.

 

 

From the front you can see the bunting blocks which I hope will work, 'well the ropes go through them'.

 

 

Not starched these sails, but all the unfurled will have the tapes,strengthening bars added.

 

Frank. 

Edited November 27, 2015 by foxy

[JerseyCity Frankie]

Wow! I have been wondering if I would buy a case for my Heller Victory, that thing must be a beast! I am sure it looks like a crystal jewel though. Congratulations.

[Blue Ensign]

I had a case like that Frank for one of my Victory models, quite a scary business lifting it off and on when the full masts and yards are in place, definitely a two person job, both with steady hands.

 

 Neat work on the sails

 

B.E.

[Old Collingwood]

That sail in the last pic looks really good, it looks about right with the slightly off white colour as I believe obtaining pure white cotton was very hard, someone told me they used to try to bleach them in salt water to keep them as white as possible?

 

Great work there.

 

OC.

[foxy]

Thanks guy's.
 
Still on the sails.


Fore top sail with tassels added.



Spanker.







Syren Blocks all work but it will be static, makes putting together easier and would need a few men to work it.

Putting the spanker sail on made me realise how to mount sails to yards, in the first picture I have sown rope to top then tied on, but with the mizzen boom I used needle and rope which looks much better, so will be doing this for all yards.

 

Frank. 

Edited November 29, 2015 by foxy

[clearway]

Looking great Frank..... psst don't forget the flagstaff was removed when under sail

 

Keith

[foxy]

Cheers Keith mate.

 

Believe it or not it can just lift out.

 

But would like to show the Flag.

 

 

Frank 

[Old Collingwood]

Wasn't the flag carried between the Gaff and the Boom  on the Mizzen mast, I have seen it like this on Turners Trafalger painting.

 

OC.

[foxy]

Hi OC.

 

That was used for the signal flags.

 

The main HMS flag was in Nelsons day carried on the rear staff.

 

But Keith is right for lowering the flagstaff when spanker is in use.

 

But for this ship it will be shown,

 

frank 

Edited November 29, 2015 by foxy

[Old Collingwood]

I was under the impression that the White Ensign was still carried but moved to the boom as Nelson wanted to make a clear indicator for the British and also a little bit of making a point at the opposition.

 

OC. 

[foxy]

Thanks OC.
 
You might be right, not looked up that part of history.
 
But for the build will have ensign showing somewhere.
 
So I could put the White Ensign on the boom hallards, is that correct.
 
Remove the standard flagstaff.
 
'Anyone know'.
 
'Since posting this on another forum, Dafi  has come up with the answer.
It seems a LT as OC said has the Ensign on the Gaff were the signal flags were normally used.
So that's the plan, remove the flag staff and haul the ensign to the Gaff.


 
'Brilliant', thanks Daniel.
 
 
 
Frank 

Edited November 30, 2015 by foxy

[Old Collingwood]

Sounds like a plan frank.

 

OC.

[cobra1951]

Wow Frank that sure is coming along nicely mate (Big thumbs up)

[foxy]

Cheers OC.
 
Hi Bob nice to see you back here,' thanks mate' 
 
Well on to the folding sails.
 
Sowed on the sails to the mast, fitted Syren bunting blocks and folded up the cloth to near the yards.
Then sowed up near the yard and threaded rope through the bunting blocks.
Once  yard fitted to the mast, the ropes are pulled through the blocks on the lower tops and seized to the belaying pins.
This then tightens the sail to the yard.





Should do the trick.

 

Frank 

[Dimitris71]

Very nice work on the folding sails Frank!!

 

Cheers

Dimitris

[foxy]

Cheers Dimitris mate.
 
After some suggestions from Daniel I have reworked the sails in a more fitting position.
 
I like, hope you do.





Working on tidying up the hull and refitting the crown on the stern.

Then its on with the yards/sails after the break.

All the best Frank. 

[Old Collingwood]

WOW those sails/masts are looking very very nice.

 

OC.

[JerseyCity Frankie]

The second attempt is a vast improvement, congratulations! I struggled massively with the same issue, trying to get the shape of the clewed up canvas to fall into the proper size and shaped arcs and lumps, and I think you did a great job.

[foxy]

Thank you guy's, much appreciated.
 
Well have been struggling to make the parral's for the topsail yards.
 
So, using plastic and brass I have managed to solve this problem.
 
First made up the ash ribs from plastic.



Then to keep all square/strait I used two brass rods and filed to size.



In the spares box I had some brass tops that came from support railings, these had the holes already drilled.

I always save these scrap things,'you never know when they may be usfull'.

So now strung together.




Making up two pair's of parral's for main and formast topsail yards.

 

Some brown paint to finish and then mount.

Frank.

[donrobinson]

Very innovative, looking forward to seeing them installed. Nice work on furled sails too!