US Brig Oneida 1809 by rlb - The Lumberyard - 1:48 scale - POF - Lake Ontario Warship

[rlb]

Experiments with Silkspan continue. 

 

After applying another couple of coats to the example in the previous post, I decided to try the "thin" Silkspan; the above post used the "medium" variety.   There is a big difference in thickness.  After wetting and taping a piece to my frame (and letting it dry), this time I applied acrylic matte medium to both sides of the Silkspan, hoping that this would fill in the fibers, so that I wouldn't need as many coats of black paint to make it opaque--

 

This seemed to work, and after three (I think) coats of black, I had a nice smooth, opaque surface-

 

While coats of paint were drying, I glued eight thin pieces of wood into a block, to shape into the end caps for the hammocks--

 

I decided that I would follow the angle of the bulwarks, inner and outer, with the hammock cranes and the end pieces--

 

However, my shaping had reduced the "block" too much.  It was too definitely too short, and too narrow for comfort, so I glued another set together-

 

These should work--

 

I separated them, and because some had slight marks from prying them apart I sorted and numbered them to put the "bad" sides inward where they would be covered by the hammock cloth and not seen.  I drilled holes in the bottom for pins--

 

I marked and drilled the holes for the six lines in the end caps.  Here also are two sheets of painted "thin" Silkspan, which I will use--

 

I'll now experiment with how to shape and place the hammock cloth within the cranes, and epoxy the cranes and end pieces to the ship.   I'll probably need another sheet of Silkspan also.

 

All for now,

Ron 

Edited March 26 by rlb

[rlb]

Continuing on.

 

I'm going to try using clay to stand in for the hammocks.   My plan is to wet the Silkspan, and wrap the clay.   Hopefully when it dries it will shrink a little and take on the bumps in the clay.  We shall see.

 

First test is to size the clay filler, and determine the right width to cut the Silkspan--

 

I folded this piece over the clay, and held the ends down just to try and get some idea how it will work, and look.  It hasn't been wetted, and it's also the thicker Silkpan, which I don't intend to use.  But I can waste it to test, and determine the width piece that I need.  I think I can trim 1/4 inch of the width of this piece--

 

I'm also ready to start locating the end caps and cranes on the cap rail.  After epoxying a pin in each end cap, I located them on the ship, drilled holes and dry fit them--

 

Incidentally, I ended up narrowing each cap a bit.  These looked okay in place, so I drilled more holes in the cap rail and tested the 7 aft starboard hammock cranes in place--

   

I discovered that some of the blackening on the cranes had either not taken, or had flaked off, so they will need to be re-blackened.   I also see that the end caps need some adjustment of the top curve.  The two at the entry steps are not uniform.  When I narrowed the end caps I also adjusted the angle/curve of the tops, and apparently I "fixed" some more than others.  The angles on the iron cranes will need fine tuning as well, once they are glued on.

 

All for now.

Ron

 

 

Edited March 30 by rlb

[Mike Y]

Had a pleasant time catching up, so glad you are back building!   Looking very neat!

[rlb]

Thanks Mike!

 

Continuing on with the hammocks, I made a line of clay, which fit between the hammock cranes--

 

I wrapped this in the black painted Silkspan and tested the fit.  It looks just okay.  I may work a bit on the "wrinkles"--

 

I removed the clay/paper, realizing it would be much easier to run the line through all the hammock cranes without having it in the way.  And it was FAR more difficult than I anticipated.   I spent hours trying to come up with a way of stiffening the end of the line with superglue, and cutting a point on it, but the holes in the cranes were just too small, and some had become partially blocked with blackening deposits (I think).  I spent a lot of time with a pin trying to open the holes--very awkward with them glued in place.  Some cranes came loose from the rail, or bent (though easily re-straightened).   I even tried supergluing a strand of fly tying thread to the end of the line to lead it through the holes, but that failed like all the other attempts.  I finally searched for a thinner line in my stock, and found one.  It was just enough thinner to work--

 

 

Hopefully I can get through the rest of the holes, and finally see what this looks like with the hammock paper inside.

 

Also, trying to finish everything on the deck before rigging begins, I glued some eyebolts and rings to the deck binding strakes, and some to the channels, which can be seen in the photos.

 

All for now,

Ron

 

 

 

Edited April 6 by rlb

[rlb]

Continuing with hammock cranes.

 

I was able to thread the three outboard lines and test the hammock covering cloth.  I'm not truly happy with the covering cloth, I may redo that, but I do like the overall look--

 

It was blackening residue in the holes that was making it so hard to thread the line.  And the end caps were clogged with Tung oil finish.  I had to carefully try and get the drill bit through the holes and clean them out.  The angle wasn't exactly right, and I probably should have just twisted everything out and re-glued them.  Some became loose anyway (and many bent this way and that-thankfully none broke).   But after clearing the holes, I found that I could get the thread through.  By the last one, I found that with the tip just stiffened by wax, rather than CA glue, I could get them through quite well--didn't need to push and pull with the tweezers.   The CA, though it stiffened the end, did increase the diameter a smidge.

 

Here are the first set of lines through, and the next set of hammock cranes glued in.  After all the lines are threaded, and the cloth in, I'll knot off the ends of the lines--

 

Now I'm off with my daughter to my parents' house in Rochester to try and see the eclipse.   It's supposed to be cloudy, but maybe we'll get lucky.  If not, we'll still have a nice, if brief, visit with my folks.   Hoping the traffic will be manageable, but it probably will be pretty bad.

 

All for now,

Ron 

Edited April 7 by rlb

[rlb]

More hammock crane work.

 

I decided I needed a better way to make the modeling clay form for the hammock covering cloth.   I had just kind of rolled it out and mashed it into rough shape, but it was a little TOO rough and varied in height and thickness.  So I made a mold out of scrap wood.  This is the length I need for the forward sections.  The previous clay form and removed covering paper are above it--

 

Then I mashed the clay into one side of the mold--

 

And clamped the outer mold piece against it.  There are spacers at the end to make the right thickness, and I used my calipers to make sure it was the same width at the middle.  They also worked as a clamp.  I mashed additional clay into the top where needed--

 

Then scraped the top smooth--

 

This gave me a piece of clay that was uniform in height and thickness--

 

I ran a finger along each side of the top to round and smooth it--

 

New pieces of Silkspan were moistened and folded around it--

 

When this dried, I tucked and glued the loose ends at the bottom, and let that dry--

 

Here it is fit into place--

 

 

I am much happier with this attempt.   It may be more uniform than it really should be, but it will be easy to go back and make it a little "lumpy" if I decide it needs it.  Here's a view from inboard--

 

As I finish up the hammocks I'm adding the capstan bars to the capstan.   It's always one of the things on a model that catches your eye, and I've been waiting a long time to add this touch!   I cut some blanks, and test fit a few times to get the length I thought was appropriate.  They look pretty chunky, but they haven't been tapered or rounded yet, hence they are also not glued to the capstan yet--

 

I numbered each hole and bar on the underside just in case it matters which one goes where--

 

As the afternoon light starts to fade--

 

That's all for now.

 

Ron

 

 

Edited April 9 by rlb

[rlb]

Just an additional note on the hammock cloth, and historical accuracy, since you don't see this black cloth depicted often.  Usually you see some diagonal netting, and some folded over hammocks contained within.   The netting is problematic for me.  Whatever you can get "ready-made" is plastic and seems out of scale, and would be difficult to fasten realistically.  So I liked Glenn Greico's black cloth--much simpler (I reference his model for the Institute of Nautical Archeology in Austin, Texas of the USS Brig Jefferson often, and in that context he HAS to be as historically accurate as possible.).  But I am now realizing that I have seen it other places.  A recent photo in archjofo's La Creole log led me back to post #783 where he shows his version of the black cloth.  Very interesting that he used balsa (or similar soft wood) for the underlying form!!  And then I remembered a black cloth in photos of Frolich's models of Swan and Cygne.  

 

I (we) look at so many sources for these details that I lose track of where I saw them, or even forget I even saw them.

 

So I am feeling good about the approach.  The bigger question of whether this ship would have even HAD hammock cranes is unanswerable.  We don't know much about Oneida beyond the basic lines.  I wish I was building an Oneida that I know is accurate, but I will continue on building an Oneida that I hope is plausible, and in the end for me, is a beautiful model.   

  

Edited April 10 by rlb

[Thistle17]

Ron I haven't tuned in for some time. Life events have diverted me. Not surpirised to see your work progress with exceptional execution. You continue to amaze me with your ability to work with hand tools!

Joe

[rlb]

Thanks Joe, and all looking in.

 

The hammock cranes and cloth are done.   It was more work than I anticipated, but I think it was worth it.  I got some practice making jigs and drilling small holes on the mill, and I learned about Silkspan.

 

Here one side is done, and the other has been "strung".  I was tempted to leave it this way, but elected to complete both sides--

 

Done.   Work on the capstan bars continues--

 

Knotted boarding ropes hang over the boarding steps.  I don't know why Lieutenant Woolsey is falling all over the deck in the previous photos, but he's found his feet here.  I'll secure the ropes with a dot of glue on one of the lower steps, but for now the clips make them hang straight and give the idea--

 

I am reminded of something I read about Oneida being reported by an early crew member (I think) as being a "warm cozy" ship.  They were probably talking about below deck, but the more enclosed and protected feeling with the hammocks in place on the rails does give me that impression--

   

 

All for now,

Ron

Edited April 15 by rlb

[rlb]

The capstan bars are roughed in--

 

I need to soften some of the transitions between the square end and the rounded part, but they are dry fit into the capstan head, and on deck--

 

They'll also need a coat of Tung oil finish when done.   

 

The list is getting smaller of what is still needed before stepping the masts and starting the rigging.  At this point I still need some inboard boarding steps, and I think I'll make some mast collars.  I am also contemplating redoing the gratings, with a tighter grid.

 

All for now,

Ron

 

Edited April 17 by rlb

[rlb]

Boarding steps--

 

I would have made the steps the full width of the hammock opening, but the carronade position wouldn't allow it.   The hammock position corresponds to Chappelle's sail plan drawing and also the location of the outboard boarding steps shown on the hull plan, but a little foresight may have warranted shifting the steps and opening just a bit.

 

Ron

 

[shipmodel]

Hi Ron - 

 

Nice work on the steps.  Building something as complex as a ship model always requires dozens and dozens of individual decisions.

I like the ones you have made.

 

I hope that I will get to see her in person in New London at the end of the month.

 

Dan

[rlb]

Hi Dan, 

 

I'm planning on going this year, but I was on the fence about taking Oneida, since I took her last year, and thought maybe I should wait until she's finished before bringing her out again.  But with that encouragement, I think I'll bring her!

 

Ron

[rlb]

Oneida is getting ready for her playdate with the other ships tomorrow in New London, CT--

 

Ron

[cotrecerf]

Hi Ron,

I've only just now stumbled upon your build log; to express my admiration in words:  excellent skills, super photos, textual explanations to the very point.

 

I'm amazed and I'll follow this build from today on  Thank you ever so much.

 

Greetings

 

Joachim

[rlb]

Thanks Joachim, welcome aboard!

Ron

[CiscoH]

Ron it was great to finally meet the person behind such a sweet build!  Your Oneida is even more impressive in person.

 

cisco (john)

Edited May 17 by CiscoH

[shipmodel]

Hi Ron - 

 

Really good to meet you and to see Oneida.  She is even better in person than on MSW.

Great job.

 

Dan

[rlb]

John and Dan, I enjoyed meeting and talking with you both.  Always nice to get to know someone beyond their profile photo and user name!

 

Mast collars:  I started by cutting a bunch of pieces with a 45 degree angle and gluing them together.   If I really wanted to get it right, I should have cut 22 1/2 degrees off each side of a piece, to have the wood grain radial.   I was satisfied with just showing that the collar is made of eight simulated "wedges"--

  

 

These were then sanded roughly round--

 

Next I drilled out the center, glued in a short piece of dowel, and turned the piece round.   After it was round, I drilled the dowel out--

 

Here you can see I've started roughing out the opening of the first one to fit the fore mast, and other has the dowel glued in--

 

I used my lathe, but lacking that I could have chucked the piece in a standard drill--

 

One difficulty was shaping the cut out to accommodate the rather sharp rake of the masts, especially the mainmast.   In addition, my shaping of the masts was not perfect, with some variation in the eight sides.   That and the rake made it so the collar will only fit on one way (hence the label "F"(forward) on each collar.   Each one broke apart at least once as I was chiseling it out.  That ended up being a good thing, as the joints became a little more pronounced after regluing.  One down, one to go--

 

Here are some photos of the masts with the collars dry fit on deck--

 

I believe that is now a wrap for the hull and deck.  I am not going to redo the gratings--the holes are only a tiny bit too large.  They should be no bigger than 2 3/4", and they are 3".   So with that, it's time to start making rope for the standing rigging.

 

All for now.

 

Ron

Edited April 28 by rlb

[BETAQDAVE]

    After going through all of that Ron, I'm assuming that you won't be covering your woodwork up with a canvas mast collar coat.

[rlb]

Dave, that is a great point.  I have thought about it, and my initial thought was to greatly simplify the collar and do the canvas cover.  Then I thought that fiddling with trying to make a cover, and realistically fastening it would be difficult.  However, I didn't research to find out what it needs to look like and how others may have done it.  Now I feel like doing some searching on this!   I have no concerns that any work will have been wasted (after all, on one will ever see the stove!)  At this point my options remain open.

 

Ron

Edited April 28 by rlb

[KORTES]

Dear Ron its with great interest that i visited Your page. Wonderful,  outstanding work. Thank You very much for sharing your technology,  i have found a lot of interesting for myself , which i would implement in my work in the future. Wish You inspiration in Your further work. My very best regards, Alexander

[rlb]

Alexander,

Thank you for your kind words.  When I need inspiration, I don't have to look further than your own work!  

Ron

 

[Tonphil1960]

Excellent work. I am looking into building a Oneida. I cant seem to find much info on her at all. What plans are you working from ? Do you know where I can get scale plans and rigging plans ?  Thanks 

[Gregory]

Ron may chime in later, but his build is a Lumberyard kit based on plans by Harold Hahn.

 

You might check with  the Lumberyard to see if they offer the plans separately.

 

I’m not able to post a link right now, but will later .

[rlb]

Tonphil1960,

 

Gregory is basically correct. I started with the Lumberyard "kit", but I have gone far past what you would get if you build the kit as it comes to you.  I am using the Chappelle plans and sail plan from the Smithsonian (along with many additional sources for various things) to build a more detailed and nuanced version of Oneida. 

 

Below is a link to the Smithsonian website--

 

 https://americanhistory.si.edu/about/departments/work-and-industry/ship-plans

 

Good luck!

Ron

 

 

Edited Thursday at 07:03 PM by rlb

[shipmodel]

Tonphil - 

 

If you are a maritime history buff, as I am, you should look for a very readable book on the building of Oneida (one of the midshipmen in the construction corps was the later famous writer James Fennimore Cooper) and her distinguished actions during the first battle of Sackett's Harbor (NY) when she is said to have fired the first shot in the War of 1812.   If you can, find the obviously named book -  The Battle of Sackett's Harbor, 1813 by Patrick A. Wilder.

 

Best of success

 

Dan