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Shipyard Update:
Binnacle/s:
For those who recently have dropped in, following my build.
I decided to remove my first attempt of the single Binnacles beside the skylight, in front of the steering wheel. What was I thinking ?!%$##@
I contemplated enlarging each, but my mind kept drifting to the design in the AOTS, the ability to open the hatches of the skylight, the fixing of the binnacle/s to the deck, the functionality as Pat pointed out and to the storage of navigation equipment.
The Replica seems to have at least 1 Binnacle(pictured in post above) resting on the deck, to one side and aft to what appears to be a modern day Binnacle. No indication of how this item is tied down. Which brings me to think it is placed on deck for historical purposes whilst in port.
Further posted above(Jim Lads post) is the Replica at sea, with the 2 single Binnacles in use, nav. equipment in use either side for the helmsmen to use. Each is permanently fixed to the deck. I assume to cater for the wiring of the Nav. gear(coms. and power). Modern version, not historically correct ?
Therefore I'm drawn back to the design in the AOTS, which Marquardt has depicted(at no scale) on page 69.
Page 14 of the AOTS describes reasoning behind a Binnacle which straddles the skylight. "The common Binnacle of the period was described by Falconer, 'a wooden case or box, which contains the compasses, log-glass, watch-glasses, and lights to shew the compass at night". It was necessary to have the 2 compasses 7ft apart to prevent reciprocal interference...... The Binnacle was usually placed directly in front of the steering wheel, so that the compasses could be easily read by the helmsmen on one side and officer of the watch on the other side.
Got to agree it all makes sense and decided to construct a paper mock-up of a Binnacle(second attempt) to see how the above will work in the area in front of the wheel. I believe it would allow the skylight hatches to lift up horizontally, and house the 2 compasses and lantern. Might need to be slightly deeper and possibly a little higher. I don't want it to be overpowering in size though.
The 2 x compass housed in each top outer compartments(external raked lid to inside), draws below and to the inner bridge. Lantern housed in middle of bridge. My wheel drum blocks the back of the middle section of the bridge, so lantern lowers into the middle from top ?
All too much I know, most will look at it and see it as a red box in front of the steering wheel.
Might have a go at making it on my 3D printer with wood filament !.
Again open to suggestions.
- Old Collingwood, md1400cs, zappto and 3 others
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4 hours ago, BANYAN said:
Hi Dave, the two binnacle solution looks a goer. In this configuration you can still add the compass where you have the shelf and replace the desk top with a light locker? If you think a drawer necessary to hold the DR board etc you could add that and make an open shelf instead of the two door cupboards. in that configuration you can add a fold down desk top for chartwork if necessary?
When I contemplated this issue for my build I went for the larger version as you would need a steering compass and, a conning and survey compass. I also thought a larger flat top might be required to hold the 'draft' survey charts etc when engaged in survey work? That said, you point about the skylight opening is very valid and in hindsight, I wish I had made my skylight with two part covers each side; you get the full benefit of light and can still open half for ventilation.
cheers
Pat
Thanks Pat and Jim for looking in and I take those fine comments on board for the shipyard designers to contemplate.
I reckon a rework of a 2 Binnacle solution is in order.
Each Binnacle wider and flat top.
Low and behold, I actually found a picture of the one on the Replica(below) that I got from Greg Chard. When I visited the Replica - my photos show no Binnacle on deck.
Sits behind the engine boxes(under the black covers), straddles over the steering rope by the look of it, and is clear of the skylight.
Now I'm thinking 1 or 2 ? off to the workshop.....
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Shipyard Update:
Binnacle:
The AOTS shows 1 Binnacle, which straddles the skylight.
The above arrangement seemed quiet large, and appeared it would interfere with the skylight top/s swiveling up in the open position ?
I went with 2 smaller Binnacles 1 each side of the skylight, however once installed, not convinced I have the right design.
eg where would the compass go ?
Open to suggestions, thinking of linking them up with a raised bridge between each ?
- md1400cs, robdurant, GrantGoodale and 1 other
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Shipyard Update:
More Ratlings(yes I am still at it):
Been a while since my last post.
Slow going with the Ratline knots.
Up to the next level > the TopMasts.
Made the templates and well, >> sit for hours and chug away at tying the half-hitches.
I will be glad when this phase is completed, aim is by Christmas.
Finished 95% the Main TopMast both sides:
I've left the top row off -> to see where the TopGallant shrouds tie off.
Main TopMast Port
Bit of a mess at times, knots tied before trimming.
The ForeTopMast Starboard done:
I've left the top row off -> to see where the TopGallant shrouds tie off.
Currently working on the MizzenTopMast Starboard:
I'll have to count up the number of half hitches at the end of the Ratlines.
120 each side of the Main Shrouds, then ++++++ for the others.
Well more to do.... however >>
The shipyard will be closed all next week, as I head to Fremantle W.A. to visit my eldest son for his Graduation from Bachelor of Medicine(Doctor).
- Old Collingwood, zappto, leginseel and 1 other
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Hi Pat,
Some very nice things happening your workshop.
Your craftsmanship is developing very nicely their.
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18 hours ago, ca.shipwright said:
Hi David,
Your level of detail is the most complete I have ever seen. Just out of curiosity; how great is the magnification you are looking through, if you are using any at all? And, how close does that put your eyes to your hands?
Regards
Michael,
This is the Magnifier I use.
https://rhinotools.com.au/product/led-5-dioptre-black-magnifying-lamp-smd/
Have been using it for approx. 2 years now.
Hands are just in front of the magnifier, LED light is good as well.
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On 11/11/2017 at 11:20 AM, BANYAN said:
Looking good Dave, seems you have the knack for the rattlin now
cheers
Pat
The Knack ?? >> Edward Scissorhands comes to mind.
Using tweezers in both hands to tie those knots has come natural to me.
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Pat,
Those cable stoppers are fantastic.
Keep the good work up.
- BANYAN, mtaylor and popeye the sailor
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Shipyard Update:
Ratlings:
A bit of an update to where the "rats" are at.
A good two weeks of part time tying knots > the Fore and Main mast lower shrouds are done.
Taking shape with lower ratlines on Fore and Main Masts
Fore Mast Stb Ratline
Main Mast Starboard Ratline
Some close ups of the ForeMast ratline - knotting in progress.
Above: The process I followed was to tie every 6th full length ratline first(loops each end), followed by the intermediate 3rds(shorter by 1 shroud).
Aim being to hold the shrouds evenly, then fill in the pairs between(where the clamps were).
Above: Each ratline from the jig was tied to the shroud with 2/half hitches to the loop, then 2/half hitches about each inner shroud towards the rear.
Every 6th looped to the back shroud.
The 5 ratlines between the 6th's, half hitched 1 shroud back.
At the bottom, every 6th first (red end line #4, blue length) and then the 3rds (blue #1 & 7, with pink highlight for the length)
Above: Further up, every 6th first (red end line #10) and then the 3rds (blue #13, with pink highlight for the length)
This way I kept track of the type and length of each ratline I added.
Mizzen Shroud Ratlines:
Setup the paper template on the Starboard shrouds, and made a start this week.
I decided to loop each end of the Mizzen ratlines to the shrouds.
Close up of the end loops. Shows the loose ends not cut cleanly though. Hard to trim them off close without cutting the loop.
Plenty more to go.
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Shipyard Update:
Ratlings:
Nothing new here for those who have done ratlines.
Below applies to the Fore and Mizzen mast shrouds.
Main Shroud Ratlines:
I used a sheet of plain white A4 paper to mark out lines for the shroud locations(they are behind the shrouds), with the fore edge vertical to the waterline.
The ratlines will be tied to the shrouds, level with the waterline.
The horizontal lines are 6mm apart(equates to near enough to 15" rungs) are:
- Blue every 6th -> tie these first.
- Red min-way between the blue lines -> tie these second.
- Pencil, 2 between the reds and blues -> tie these third.
I used lengths of left over planking behind and in front(can slide up/down) of the shrouds to hold them firmly near the ratline being added.
I used the Stave, as the start and a 6mm drop to the first ratline.
The first Ratline added just above the dead eyes to hold them in line.
I used the 1st one from the Jig.
Loops both ends.
The next Ratline 6th one up, so I use the 6th Ratline from the same side of the Jig.
And so it has started, Ratline and more Ratline to go > how many hours ahead. !
- BANYAN, Robin Lous, leginseel and 1 other
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Shipyard Update:
Shroud Ratlings:
Time has come to delve into the Ratlings.
I have read a lot of members posts to gain as much information and instructions of how to do the Ratlings.
Many great systems have been described, shared.
Many thanks to all for those posts, it has made my life ahead much easier.
Ratlings:
I made a Jig to pre-loop one end of each ratline for a mast.
2 pcs of 19mm pine with small brad nails set at 6mm apart(on the vertical right side).
The head of each nail cut and filed.
Next stage was to wind the ratline rope(at my model scale = 0.2mm) from side to side.
Then on the inner side of each nail, 2 x half hitches were tied, then onto the next and next till the end nail.
Same for other side.
Then the twine between each ratline/mail was removed, carefully. Both sides.
Last stage was to cut one side of the loop on the nail. All one side on 1 set of mails, then the opposite on the other set of nails.
Hope that makes sense.
Basically you want to end up with 2 sets of Ratlines(with a loop one end) like below.
1 set each for the Starboard and Port Shrouds of a Mast.
You only need to make the set you need for the number of Ratlines for a Shroud Set, and the length is the tricky one to work out.
I'll leave that for you to ponder on.
I ran a test one for the longest to work out the length.
Next >> fitting them.
- Robin Lous, zappto, leginseel and 1 other
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- Robin Lous and md1400cs
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Hi Mr Dashi,
It has been some time since your last post.
Good to see you have progressed some on the model.
Looking very impressive, with some fine detail on the rear deck.
Health issues seem to play a part in the things we enjoy the most as we get older(or from past wounds).
What a bugger I reckon.
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Shipyard Update:
Bowsprit and Jib Boom:
Me and the shippy's been working on getting the Jib Boom into shape for the TopGal rigging to attach to.
A traveler has been added to the Boom (for a Jib) with the tackle under.
A couple of pictures of the parts, welded and on the boom, and then tackle attached.
The above: I cut a slot in a ring, formed a hook and a loop, slid onto a piece of bar ready to weld up. I was hoping the hook and loop would rotate on the bar, but that went out the door when the solder ran.
Traveler in place on the boom, will do the job. Shipyard spent hours to get it to this stage.
End of the Boom taking shape with traveler tackle rope, 2 Horse ropes over the end. I counted another 4 more ropes to go onto the end.
Traveler blackened and painted black, rope attached.
Traveler tackle attaches back to the middle of the Bowsprit head.
A couple of items onto the Bowsprit
Added two(2) thimbles back behind the Fore-preventor stay to hold the ropes coming back, similar to on the Endeavour Replica.
Added Tackle to the Jib Boom end for extending the Jib Boom out when retracted.
Probably add the rope/blocks on the end of the Jib Boom next.
- mcpwilk, GrantGoodale, leginseel and 6 others
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30 minutes ago, BANYAN said:
Very neat and well constructed Dave. What is the pegboard constructed from? At first I thought it was a dust suction/extractor but the pegs do not fall through - a neat idea for constructing/assembling these types of items.
cheers
Pat
Hi Pat,
The peg board, I got from J-Car Electrical. I have a block of timber under it, which I drill holes in for the brass pegs to drop in(glue) for fixed positions.
For bending hooks around.
The wood is soft enough for the drawing pins to push into firmly for temp positions, then pull out.
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Shipyard Update
Bowsprit Horse and Stay Sail Netting:
Put together the above as an off-boat construction.
Mix of AoTS and Replica details.
Thanks to Steve "Shipaholic" for sending me the netting some time back.
Above is the netting sewed around the rope sides with timber ends (overall 45mm long x 11mm wide)
Added knots along the ropes either side, and loop at lower ends for lashing to bow head eye-bolts.
The electrical board comes in use for "pinning" items to work on.
Lashed in place.
The Bowsprit Boom in it's "pull back" position whilst all this going on to make sure the horse and net cleared.
Added a lift behind the Fore Preventor Stay.
Might try the Top Gallants next.
- Ondras71, Seahawk1313, leginseel and 2 others
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Shipyard Update
Topmast Futtock Stave and Catharpins:
As others who have reached the dizzy heights of rigging, I am sure realized things get tight and busy.
When the lower mast Futtock Stave and Catharpins were added, thye caused me enough tired arm syndrome. They we each added individually, tied in place.
For the Topmast sets, I devised the plan to "pre-build" them as much as possible, then hoist them up and tie into position.
So the picture below shows the 2 sets, each with 3 catharpins to match the Gallant shrouds. Each is just on 16mm wide to fit between the shrouds.
The lower section of the picture shows how I made each of the catharpins on 2 pins, seized each end and cut the ends. Each Stave is 7mm long, a tad bit too long so I found out when they were hoisted up. But they both at this length give some latitude to feed the Gallant shrouds between the Top Mast shrouds, around the Stave when that task takes place(soon I hope).
What is not shown on the picture is, I added a good length of twine(looped) at each end of the brass Staves. So when each was hoisted, I had something to immediately tie to the relevant shroud.
Fore Topmast Futtock Stave:
The Stave being a bit too long pushed the rear shroud out, not going to change it now.
Main Topmast Futtock Stave:
What to do next ??
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Shipyard Update
Fore Topmast Stays: Tackles
The tackle for the Fore Topmast Stays have been added to the Bowsprit.
For the 2 tackle sets I used 7mm Fiddle blocks, 5mm single blocks with a 4.5mm rope.
I lowered the Stays from the cross trees to do the rope work about each block.
The Fore Stay on the Starboard Side of the Bowsprit:
Close up of the Tackle fixed to the inner gammoning and tread'd back to the rear cleats on the Bowsprit.
Similar for the Preventor Stay on the Port side of the Bowsprit.
Update to the attachment of the Tackle.
I changed the Tackle end onto the eye-bolt for both sides.
The replica and "Petersen's" has it this way and seems the way to go. Once the Fore Stays are tension'd, no need for further adjustment, leave the cleat for the running lines.
Next task:
Skimmy up the Fore & Main Top Masts and add the Futtock Staves & Catharpins >> be ready for the shrouds to the Top Gallants.
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Thanks for looking in Nils, Nigel & Pat.
As for detail, just trying to make it look authentic as I can. Which is a challenge at times with the scale at 1:60 !!
The mast collar were one of the few "metal" items I used from the original kit.
- leginseel and Mirabell61
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HMB Endeavour by DaveRow - FINISHED - Corel - Scale 1:60 - First Build Kit
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Shipyard Update:
Binnacle:
I created a 3D model of the Binnacle and printed it on my Creator Pro 3D printer with a PLA wood filament.
Below is the finished 3D print after some tidy up of the print, before paint-job.
Below the Binnacle with paint-job in position - ready for tie-down.
Back to the Rigging.