CiscoH

very interesting, thanks for posting Steve20

18th century longboat by model shipways. basic planking and rigging, its small, and usually 50 bucks. excellent instructions too

Beautiful Thukydides!

thats some nice planking François

great job Roger. youre moving fast and it looks excellent. i went from the 18th cent longboat to another model shipway’s kit, the Armed Virginia Sloop. its a step up in complexity but not a 74 or something really crazy. Directions are definitely dated though; you have been spoiled by Chuck’s clear directions for this kit.

Great start Roger. this model is harder than it looks (small not = easy) but will give you an intro to every skill you need. also everyone breaks off the top of the stem.

guns look great and thank you for the clear explanation Thukydides

simply amazing Matthias!

This was my first wooden ship model (now I'm at 1.5 total builds) and I figured since it was small it should be easier. That turned out to be maybe true (versus building the Victory its easier I guess) but overall Chuck's kit has an introduction to every serious modeling skill you need- bending planks being the big one, but also basic rigging, making a base, painting, etc. I got a lot out of it, kinda like a Gateway Drug. You already are paying way more attention to keeping the frame square and flat than I did. Keep up the great work! cisco

DB789 I don't want to hijack your log with Tangent Questions but maybe you know. I've read it was normal in big vessels with plenty of space to mix carronades and long guns, but was it common on such small vessels? I could see it being a positive (hit the target from a distance with the long guns, then batter them with the carronades at short range before boarding) or a negative (jacks of all trades can be bad at both tasks). And having written that last sentence both options sound improbable- I thought privateers usually preyed on unarmed shipping where threat alone was enough to induce Heaving To. If you encountered anything big you ran like heck, so maybe having many gun ports and only 4 cannons was plenty; more just weighed you down and made you slower. What are the odds you encounter another vessel exactly the same size and armament where having more cannons would be beneficial? Personally I like the look of your current plan of every gunport filled, even if recoil from the stem cannons would probably wreck the bits. cisco

They do look really good and I had to laugh that after all that work they're not the right scale. We've all been there. But when you make them again smaller it'll go twice as fast

Good Sunday morning readers. Wife's out riding the horse, kids are asleep or at least quiet upstairs, time for an update. I'm starting on the port side planking. I'm again making it in 3 bands and I used my previous method of running thin strips of blue tape lined up with the starboard side planking. Once I had the blue tape running fair I compared it to the starboard side, using a compass and tick strips to make sure both runs were reasonably close. This process led to a new question- how do I line up the planks at the stem so they look relatively even on both sides. I usually eyeball stuff, sometimes to my detriment, so I decided to make a jig. In carpentry I've heard this called a "preacher," I think because it could be imagined as 2 hands held together. But it does work well as a second opinion. Pretty simple device, made of scraps. I put in the garboard first which I believe is often wider than the other planks. As i noted before I made my lower starboard planks probably too wide overall, especially compared to the upper strakes which were much thinner. But rather than do another planking scheme on the port side I decided to do my best matching the widths so the hull planking is symmetrical. Full commitment to "no, i meant to do it that way." Here is the preacher on the starboard side. Sorry if its a little out of focus. You can hopefully see the point of the preacher is just touching the top section of the garboard where it goes into the stem rabbit. And here is the port side. Again I apologize for out of focus pics, but in real life it was clear I needed to remove a little more of the top of the port garboard. I did so with my little Veritas chisels and judicious sanding until the 2 sides matched. Presently I am gluing the next strake, figuring widths with the usual paper tick strips and comparing to the same plank other side with a small drafting compass. You can see I'm using my standard pins, wedges, and gentle clamping which works very well for me. Still using Gorilla yellow glue. This plank had a significant twist which I set in with a hairdryer off the model before final sanding to fit. My kids have been quiet for too long; time to see what they've been up to thanks for reading, enjoy your Sunday cisco

i am building model shipways Armed Virginia Sloop and also using Bob Hunt’s practicum and ran into a similar? issue. i think the supplied waterway in the kit was thicker stock than it said in the plans which threw off all the subsequent bulkhead inner planks installed above the waterway. not sure if that applies to your question. i didnt sweat the angle between the waterway and the bulkhead because the above bulkhead plank covered any small gaps. looking great so far cisco

At last I have finished second planking on the starboard side! If my AVS was a real ship her timbers would be fully seasoned and the shipwrights long since starved to death. Hopefully the port side will go a little faster. Below I have 1 strake left; in this case the planking plan calls for it being divided into 2 planks. The front one is already done, the stern one is being fitted. I fit the butt joint first and worked my may sternwards; miniplane to pretty close, sand a little off, fit, when its hard to push in sand a litttttttle more and not too much, keeping in mind the glue will swell the plank a little. In the future I will try to have my last plank be more towards the garboard where its flatter. Here the rudder end of the final stern plank had to fitted into a tight curved space that flared at the end. Live and learn; it fit snug at the end. And here is the final result. I stole Cheerful's planking plan so it follows very closely. I'm leaving it as-is so the inevitable dings after I'm done the other side can be sanded out at the end. I still wish I hadn't finished the upper rails so well; I'm sure I've inflicted clamp marks presently hidden under the blue tape. Some water and the travel iron usually steams them out ok though. Heres the stem shot. I think it looks pretty good. I find it funny that even though in this shot the stem planking curves upwards, to fit them they had to be steam bent to curve downwards. Some sort of optical delusion. And the stern. I left the planking long so I could use a straightedge to cut across the bottom of the counter; even if I cover the transition with a thin molding strip I didn't want gaps. I am going to wait until both sides are planked before trimming the rudder planking flush. Then I'll add the sternpost last. Time will tell if this was a good decision. And now I'm off with the wife to drive the kids to camp. Have a great weekend everyone! Cisco

I like the waterways 👍

beautiful work Katsumoto you probably said it some posts back. who makes your rigging line? its nice and not shiny and looks very realistic

that 45 degree sanding thinger is pretty clever. i would have done it by eye and gotten a rounded uneven rabbit.

Looking great Tom. i’ve only built the 18th century whaleboat so far which had basic rigging (and only one mast) so i dont have extensive rigging experience. but on that model i did all my lashings without glue so the stay lengths could be adjusted as i went. friction was plenty to hold tension and i didnt end up with a wonky mast pulled out of true so it worked well for me. the supplied rigging rope was polyester (i think) and so far seems immune to humidity changes. my parents came back from Iceland 2 weeks ago with your viral friend. the current strain seems to be much less virulent and they did fine. hope you do as well cisco

well heck. after reading this post of course i had to order the book. it arrived yesterday, perfect timing for some relaxed 4th of july reading. thanks bobcat for the review it is much appreciated

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Good Afternoon fellow modelers. This wasn't a very productive month for me - too much going on. For starters I flew out to Estes Park Colorado with 5 of my college running buddies to celebrate our collective 50th birthdays. A week of hiking each day at 7500-10,000 feet altitude, mountain biking, an insane Frisbee golf course on the side of a mountain, and a vacation from our grown-up selves. An amazing trip but sadly far from any ships. In the below pic I am most of the way to Black Lake and trying not to slide down the snow embankment into the river. My AVS has added 2 strakes I think. 4.5 to go on this side. I haven't sanded the starboard side yet so the planks look a bit rough. In hindsight I wish I had left some final sanding on the upper rails. I flip the ship around a lot and am probably dinging it up with all my clamps. Another thing I noticed; a lot of thinner planks look more realistic than fewer bigger ones. I tried to divide up the hull up into similar sized bands but some of the planks near the garboard are a bit wider than the upper ones. Something to keep in mind for the future. and thats it for today. Cisco

now Thats a great wife

thats a great workshop. it appears a lot bigger on the inside, a cool trick. great luck on your build cisco

great build log Dan! i love the idea, however historically ambiguous, of an armed Hoy. your fabrication skills are impressive. cisco

Happy Sunday everyone. Its beautiful here in Middletown Delaware. Dan I got to say hi briefly at the meeting. You were neck deep in management stress at the time. Hopefully I'll get to talk to you more next year. Not much progress this week, too many other spring responsibilities. I am slowly (very slowly) working my way towards finishing the upper planking belt. There are 6 rows in this belt and I managed to mess up the 5th by not paying attention. I put in the front plank no problems and left it a little overlong so I could trim it back later. And then I waited a few days and forgot I hadn't trimmed it yet and measured the next plank. So once the original plank was trimmed back my second plank was too short. And it was one with the stern bend so it wasn't amenable to being skootched forward a bit to make it fit. So I had to make an entire new plank, which was ok just annoying. Luckily I could use the short plank for the next row, it fit the transom bend fine. Then I re-marked the hull with new tick strips. Most of my previous marks had become off a little bit. And i realized I missed a butt joint in my last strake; it should have been next to my index finger in the above picture. I'll add it later with a simple incised line highlighted with pencil. One more strake in this belt. At the bottom of the above pic you can see the plank I cut too short and my new tick strips; in the below pic I have shortened it to the correct length, fitted it, and clamped it in place with my usual wedges and Dewalt setup. No gaps! I hope. Thats it for today. I noticed that the planks in my lower belt are a bit wider than the ones in my upper belt, something to ponder for the port side. Stay tuned for next week's mistakes! Cisco