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  1. BANYAN
    Just found your new project John; looks like it will be a very interesting build. As she was built 1851 she is not that far off Victoria (1855) so we may have some common areas cheers Pat
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    Thanks John, just ordered it cheers Pat
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    Hi Dave, you are correct; it doesn't do the blocks for you unfortunately. The tables you create are a great way of doing that. cheers Pat
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    Thanks John, as a matter of interest can you please point me to one of the references for those towing bollards? I have developed a spreadsheet that records the source of information for all the decisions I am making so that others may re-evaluate the decision process if needed. cheers Pat
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    That looks very good Gerhard, a great job of constructing the gun. cheers Pat
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    Can't blame you for wanting to share this Russ, the lines of these schooners are very lovely indeed and your planking sets this model off nicely. cheers Pat
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    Dave, that is a great idea and I did something similar but also used the Rigging Spreadsheet Danny and John developed. It was very useful in that it generates the sizes of the ropes in the actual ship rig and also the scale size in metric or imperial. I then rounded these and reduced the resulting list to about 6 sizes all up to allow me to make up rope of the appropriate sizes. Your method appears to be paying dividends as the scales and their relative ratios look right to the eye. cheers Pat
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    She looks great Greg; she should take pride of place in your display area. cheers Pat
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    Great idea, especially as some of these types of tools/measurement devices are becoming so cheap. cheers Pat
  10. BANYAN
    That looks really good Jason, I think you have nailed it. I would stay away from further tinkering with the paint brush. cheers Pat
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    Hi folks, another conundrum. I have been trying to determine exactly what the 'towing timbers' cited in the Contract might be: "To have three pairs of towing timbers on each side, as shown in the drawing, of Africa oak, secured in the usual way, each timber having an iron cap over it with a pin through the head." Unfortunately, this drawing is not available so I am trying to determine exactly where these would have been located? Note the statement about - fitted in the usual way - which implies these were not top timbers from frames etc. The following is also cited: "… gallows, bitts and cross pieces, warping blocks on each bow and quarter with scores in them." I am assuming the bitts and cross piece would be the bitts (with cross piece) for securing the heel of the bowsprit? Would the warping blocks (perhaps the bollards?) also be the towing timbers? This extract from the Contract also alludes to this: "Bowsprit Bitts to be fitted as required."? There is also this: "...stanchions on knight heads for man ropes..." The ship was also fitted with Elliott Riding bitts. So we have knight heads, warping blocks and bowsprit bitts. So what are, and where would these towing timbers be located? My only other thought might be that the bollards (three sets) might also be these towing timbers? These were located in the bow, midship and quarter (one set in each location each side). cheers Pat
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    Thanks John, that will do indeed. Much appreciated. cheers Pat
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    Ed if you haven't already considered it, I have had some success passing/running my line over a very warm/hot incandescent light bulb (bought a cheap lamp stand and tried several types of globes/wattage - settled on 40W) - doesn't completely remove the attrition ratio but minimised it considerably cheers Pat
  14. BANYAN
    Nice job on the filling Danny; the paint match is spot-on. Those hair clips look familiar cheers Pat
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    Hi Sailor and thanks for that. Agree about period Jarvis winches were used - I was suggesting that based on the photo of the Jarvis and Halyard winch (in the same shot) that John provided earlier, the two winches appear to be of about the same height. Therefore, if I can get the rough height of the Jarvis winch (which Eberhard suggested may be available as tech drawings with dimensions), then I can approximate the height of the halyard winches which were around back then It's a starting point at least unless I can find a better solution. cheers Pat
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    Thanks John, there is actually a drawing of a Jarvis Winch in Underhill but it does not show any dimensions (same style as the halyard winch drawing). It the dimensions that I need, especially height to give me some perspective for the halyard winch. In all of the photos and lithographs I have of the ship, nowhere does the top of these halyard winches appear to show over the very low bulwarks, so either, the artist did not bother (yet they included the belfry eyc), or, they were quite small/low? Thanks again for your assistance on this. cheers Pat
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    Hi Sailor123 - thanks, what you say is the tought I first proposed - she would have some sort of halyard (hoisting) winch which I think is much like that from Harold Underhill as John as also confirmed. Victoria was fitted with some very 'leading-edge' equipment including flushing heads, rigmaiden lanyards, Browne Capstan, etc . Based on Underhill the halyard winch was available in the 1850s so I think this is a safe assumption. that said, i will keep searching Thanks for the feedback; all input is very much appreciated and helps me get to a much more likely equipment fit. cheers Pat
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    Hi John, thankyou very much for your help and the very useful drawings; much appreciated. I think that is the way I will go and there is enough info there I think to make a start on drawings - just need to determine the size of one component to get the rest It looks like they were about the same height as the Jarvis (Brace) winches for which there are some detail drawings according to Eberhard. If I can track that down I should be able to knock up something Thanks for positioning drawing also which confirms my earlier thoughts of it being offset if singular cheers Pat
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    Hi Rob, Sailor 123 and Ed. I had a similar discussion recently for in my HMCSS Victoria log, and for which the Contract for her building specified shroud fairleads. My resulting research and consultation also led me to believe that several lines would be led through a triple hole shroud fairlead and down to a common belaying pin in the rail. These were for 'groups' of lines that would be worked together for a given sail. This accords with Ed's thinking and reinforces the solution I had adopted also. cheers Pat
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    Hi John, messages crossed in the air Great photo which helps me with another issue the location/positioning of the bollards I don't think she had these sheet winches as they are not mentioned in the Contract which is specific for most items fitted. I also agree that the Jarvis winches would not have been fitted. However, the Victoria while built as a warship in many features and fittings was manned as a merchant ship and had many labour-saving features fitted. This was one of the main reasons she was Barque rigged also. many thanks for the feedback and info, it certainly helps me to focus in on the most likely candidates of the equipment to be fitted/shown. cheers Pat
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    Hi Eberhard and John, thanks for the very useful feedback. I agree that the first is the most likely candidate and most closely resembles a drawing in Underhill's book. I will go with that. I have also found this in the meantime: The next thing is to work out exactly where these would have been located as this image suggests it was not on the centreline? I would also like to try and get some decent drawings if they exist - does anyone have any ideas where they may be located? cheers Pat
  22. BANYAN
    Nice neat work mate; that stern is coming together (pun intended) very well indeed and is a testament to your approach to this build. cheers Pat
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    Looks good despite the gaps Danny. Great to see you continuing on with your informative approach similar to when you worked in wood; we all learn from that. cheers Pat
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    Hi again folks, some help please. According to the Contract "Sundry Fittings. - Metal spider hoops, with brass belaying pins to each mast, and hoops with hooks and rollers for awning, a patent winch on fore and main masts, …" I am trying to determine what these 'patent winches' were. According to Underhill in Masting and Rigging the Clipper Ship and Ocean Transport, page 149, "The use of deck capstans as mentioned earlier in this Chapter also went far to reduce the labour in hoisting yards, but the final stage was the introduction of the halliard winch in place of the rope purchase, (Fig 148c [not shown here]). These winches are very simple, and although the supporting frame may vary in different makes, the mechanical design is the same. The principle feature is the drum, which not only does the hauling but also stores the wire taken in, so there is no need to feed it off the winch. A large hand operated flywheel at one end drives the drum through a worm and pinion gear, while at the other end of the drum is a band brake." Noting that Victoria had wire rope for much of her standing and lower rigging, I think it safe to assume this may be the patent winch being referenced? I also note the use of 'singular' form of 'winch' in the Contract wording. A quick search of the internet found a catalog from Bruner and Lay (undated) in which several versions of single and double winches for use with wire rope for hoisting loads (the catalog is for mining equipment but the princile would be the same? see following: However: as the caption to the following picture (taken from the Sea Shanties website, also indicates a 'singular' winch of a similar style but double sided. "THE HALYARD WINCH has replaced the use of the capstan for hauling on the topsails in many sailing ships. The machine does the pulling on the ropes and the singing of a shanty will not help it to work more efficiently. The capstan is still used, however, for other purposes, and can be seen on the right of this photograph, which was taken on board the Penang." Does anyone have further information on these winches? OR, does anyone think this is too large a leap of faith? cheers Pat
  25. BANYAN
    Thanks Jason, Appreciate that. She looks a little rough around the edges where I am still working on it as I had to take off most of the old paint so she looks worse than she actually is I probably won't repaint for a while yet while I continue to sort out all the fitting that go onto the bulwarks. The scuppers are the next task. cheers Pat

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