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Hi, my first kit was the Resoloution by Corel but didnt want to spoil it so got the Racehorse and built that first. Unfortunatly have to agree that it is an awful kit. I stuck with it, made a lot of modifications and it turned out reasonably well. so stick with it as it is useful for practice. It is about as Inaccurate as it can possibly get but you can find pictures of earlier bomb vessels that are very simular. Interestingly the vessel Nelson was in was Carcuss, the sister ship to this was called Thunder. The nearest vessel in design was an earlier Thunder, I decided to rename mine Thunder of 1747.
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I would do the first layer correctly for the experience but also, the better you make the first layer then the easier will be the second. If you bodge it then use lots of filler and then sand how will you ensure both sides are the same and you may end up sanding all the way through in places. The less filler the better I would say.
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Hi, will have a sort out and see what photographs I can find.
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Hi just spotted your log. Not sure if anyone already given you this advice but I built this model many years ago and there is an airfix guide book that when used guides on the build, lots of modifications and step by step rigging. They are often on ebay. They are by Noel C L Hackney. He also did a book for the Mayflower and the Victory. I had all three and used his methods for all my future builds. I will see if I can find photographs of my builds to show the difference they make. The victory kit still has pride of place next to my wooden ship builds and 20 years on I still use it as a rigging reference.
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scroll saw proxxon ds 460
Thunder replied to michael101's topic in Modeling tools and Workshop Equipment
Hi, I have a proxxon scroll saw and that is exactly as it sounds. If you consider they are sometimes called a vibro saw then that kind of explains the noise. -
Hello Bryan, excellent choice of kit. I built this, unfortunately what I put on this site was lost. Just watch one of rear bulkheads. One of mine was too small so had to do a lot of work to correct. You can see the same fault on some other builds. Bryan, you are not far from me if you wanted to look as this build or the William kit. I am only in Burton on Trent.
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My first kit, the racehorse, was from this same range as the president, and was awful. It was as inaccurate as you can get for that ship but some research showed very simular vessels from a much earlier period. I modelled it as the 1740's vessel Thunder. I did find a strenuous connection . Nelson was not on the racehorse but was on the Carcuss. This was of the bomb vessel class Blast. When I checked the lines for Blast it was an earlier version that the model more closely represented. Timber was poor as were the fittings. However, it taught me a lot about planning and I did enjoy it. I would say go with it but don't let it put you off.
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Hi, just looked, if you go to jotika website then construction photographs there is 12 pages through the construction.
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Hi, I own the kit but have not yet started it. The contents look good quality especially the gun casting. Instructions are the later more in depth type as are the drawings. Is there a build log for this one on the jotika website? They did for their later kits.
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Chuck, this is a brilliant and informative build log. I have a kit of HM Naval Cutter Speedy which was produced in the early 70's back when the UK was still imperial, and it appears to have the square tuck stern. It will be my next build so your log is a godsend.
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Thunder replied to latestarter's topic in Wood ship model kits
When building the Chatham the wood was excellent. I then built pickle and the walnut second planning kept losing its edge. On the supply the second planning was the same but deck planning was even worse as it was different sizes. They replaced this very quickly. They have told me I am storing in too dry a house and should keep some water in the area I store them but doesn't seem to have made a difference. -
Looking forward to following this build. I built the Pickle straight from the box and agree that it doesn't have the right feel to it. Is very English and conservative looking. I have the plans to HMS Berbice by KHM which are very much like you describe. I am planning to make that my first scratchbuild.... one day!!
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Bryan, mine has t hat reference number but is different from yours and no name plate. Deck furniture is different also. Adrian.
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Bryan, the stern looking better now. Did the name plate come with the kit, I have this kit to build, can't remember seeing that in the box.
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Hello Bryan, I am a little concerned that you are galloping ahead but have not planked the stern. It may be just the photos but does look like you have missed it. Concerning your deck. It looks flat. Does it just need pinning down as should curve downwards either side towards the gun ports. Adrian.
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Was not the Whydah previously discovered off the American coast in the 1980's. She went down in 1717. This was Samual Bellamy's ship. The QHR would probably have been classed as a Corvette if French. England never had frigates at that date, more likely a sixth rate. Would be more interesting than a frigate, in my opinion.
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Caldercrafts Snake - Register For Updates?
Thunder replied to Kitzilla's topic in Wood ship model kits
I have registered 8 kits with them and never had anything back. Pretty sure been updates as in two kits parts don't match instructions or parts list. Have had parts missing from one kit and got parts quickly, also had timber replaced 3 times with no problems. -
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Thunder replied to latestarter's topic in Wood ship model kits
I have built their models of Pickle, Chatham and supply. Early kit instructions are minimal but later kits like pickle are very in-depth. Saying that a few errors in Pickle spoilt it. Enjoyed Chatham most. My supply had one bulkhead incorrect towards the stern. If you look at some of the builds you can see where others have not spotted it. Otherwise a very nice model. -
Frank, thanks for that, I contacted them some time back and at that time you couldn't get them. Do you have a part number?
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I had the Mantua lathe but could not get it to turn anything concentric. It always seemed off centre. Then when it started to sound like a bag of nails and had play in the shaft I sent it back and they replaced it but the second one quickly became the same. I replaced it with the proxxon which is much better. I just wish they would make a bed extention and another centre for long pieces of work. I have the 3 and 4 jaw chucks which are well worth buying as is the running tailstock centre.
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Hi, I was considering buying the proxxon mini shaper to see if could also be used for this purpose. Has anyone else used this tool?
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Need help identifying this tool
Thunder replied to Modeler12's topic in Modeling tools and Workshop Equipment
Try searching for 'flush end cutter' If in the UK then try RS Components. You can also get a pair that are simular size to electrical side cutters that having longer handles are better than nail clippers . -
Hi does anyone own an occre portable workbench and if so could you please provide me with the dimensions. I am particularly interested in the internal dimensions once the build craadle tray has been placed back on top. Also, any thoughts on this piece of kit would be beneficial. Thanks, Adrian
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Does any body know when Billings started to sell their kits with the fittings combined? I have purchased a kit off ebay and it would be useful to know for getting an idea of dating the kit production. For future purposes, does anyone know if they switched to laser cut frames at the same time? The old kits need the frames fret sawing out. What's the general opinion of their kits, not many seem to feature on here, and I have brought a few in the past to just find myself selling them on.
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After a question asked in another topic about euro model's Ajax I was wondering how many other kits Keith Julier reviewed that did not make one of his books. Does anyone have a list of these? The ones I know of, by him and others, are: Marine modelling - H.M. Brig Supply -Jotika Model Boats - Leida - Corel _ Keith Julier Uss Constitution - Aeropiccola - Keith Julier HM Yacht Chatham - Joitika - Terry Small HMS Neptune - Corel - Keith Julier HMS Granado - Jotika - Keith Julier HM Convulsion - Jotika - Ivor Warne Alert - Krick - Chris Watton HMS Cruiser - Jotika - Keith JUlier Ajax - Euro models - Keith Julier Cutty Sark - Art. Latina - John Elliot. HMS Fly - Victory Models - Keith Julier http://www.modelboats.co.uk/news/article/hms-fly/475/ These are just out of my own collection and I was never one for buying magazines so there must be loads more.
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