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Welcome and thank you for sharing your photos! Hope you have lots of good luck with your next project. Allan
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Thanks for posting the video. The video is very clear and shows an old but still very effective method used by many members. It is a shame to see him use what appears to be CA glue after each line is secured. The result is a brittle join and for tan lines, often a lot of discoloring. I know there are advocates of super glue, but even many of those that use it for wood, frown on using it on rigging. Allan
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Hi Gregg Couple drawings below that may help. The first is a contemporary drawing from the Royal Academy library. The second is redrawn from Dupin's Voyages dans la Grande Bretagne and can be found on page 205 of Caruana's English Sea Ordnance volume 2. Hope this gives you a little help. Allan
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Sam, You are welcome. I have no idea why RMG cannot have that link taken down, but such is the case and we are lucky to have it. I have downloaded virtually all the high res drawings as the low res plans can be found on the RMG Collections site. I set up folders by rates and similar labels, then I have subfolders within each for each specific ship and each drawing for that ship in the subfolder. Added contracts in a few cases as well and a couple low res plans if needed to complete a set. MSW expressed an interest about a year ago to take this and set it up for all members in the articles data base as the set is over 40MB. The way they want to do it, new information can be added as it becomes available. Alas, everyone has other things going on so this project has been a lower priority so far. Hint hint😀 Allan -
Hi Peter, There are detailed scantlings for various types and sizes of boats on May's Boats of Men of War, but they may be a little off as they are for circa 1800. Still, at 1:65, they are likely closer than anything else. The closest I can find are for a 19 foot longboat, 19 foot pinnace, and 16 foot yawl. The scantlings cover every piece of each of these boats. For example, the siding and moulded dimension of the futtocks -- 1.75" sided at the heel, 1.5" at the head, and moulded 1.5" at the head. The ones on the kit look to be about triple what they should be. Also, there would be about 14 frames on the longboat and pinnace rather than the six in the photo that you posted from the kit model. The book is copyrighted so I cannot post the four pages of scantlings, but if you want any more details, PM me with your email address and I can transcribe the scantlings that you wish to have and forward to you. Allan
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Definitely pick a route to follow and stick with it. The only thought I can add is whatever route you follow, do not use any road the kit makers that produce Endeavour have mapped out as they are chock full of very deep pot holes. Check every detail against sources based on contemporary information before securing anything from the kits in place. Even with the wales in place, there is no reason you cannot mark out the hull with tick strips to be sure each strake of planking is shaped well before gluing in place. The Wiki site is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ship_plans_of_the_Royal_Museums_Greenwich Of the 3679 plans on the site, about 800, including Endeavour, are high resolution. Allan
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Welcome to the fray Nathan! That certainly is an eclectic mix, and all of them looking great! With the display being open is there much problem with dust? Allan
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Anyone wanting to include sails on their model should look at your log. These are some of the nicest sails on any build log I have seen. Anyone looking at the the out of scale cloth sails supplied by most kit makers and yours should convince them to throw out the door mats from the kits and make their own as you have done. Bravo! Allan
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In addition to the references you mention, are you using the contemporary drawings of Endeavour as well? There are 7 contemporary high definition deck and profile plans available for free on the Wiki Commons site on the eighth page. The profile drawing clearly shows where the wales lie. Have you studied the planking tutorial by David Antscherl in the Articles data base here at MSW and the four part video on how to properly plank a hull by Chuck Passaro? They are well done and yield a hull that has been planked like a ship rather than what some kits think is proper planking. Typically the strakes taper to about half their full width at the bow and widen slightly at the stern. Use the tick strip method and mark off the hull in several places or more along it's length to see the width of each strake at various points. Every strake should end at the rabbet. Allan
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Kev, In working on drawings for a 23 foot launch akin to that of Bligh's launch I have come up with a big question on the sails that I hope your and/or your log followers can answer. The kit shows a single mast and main sail. The model at RMG which is modern (1988) shows two masts with lug sails. Based on Bligh's log, he writes about having her rigged with two masts. My questions are whether there were one or two masts, was she lug rigged or was she like the kit depicts her? Were there booms for each sail or were they loose footed. The model at RMG show no booms, but many drawings I have seen have lug sails with booms. Do you or anyone following this build log know, based on contemporary information, if she was lug rigged and if so, did she have booms at the bottom of the sails? The drawing I have come up with regarding basic rigging. so far. is below but may be incorrect. Thanks Allan
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Jumbo sail "construction" detail question
allanyed replied to juhu's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Juhu I am curious to know what this as well. Have you contacted Blue Jacket and asked them? As it is their copyrighted drawing maybe they have someone there that knows what is on their drawings. Allan -
We all learn as we go, so no need to fret. Most of all enjoy the journey. Know that we all hit bumps in the road no matter how much experience we have accumulated. For your next build maybe consider changing over to a quality brand like Syren or Vanguard. The designs, plans and instructions will help rather than hinder, yielding a great looking model. Some kit makers, seem to rely more on fantasy rather than basing it on any meaningful research. As you are still somewhat of a beginner, maybe consider the three vessel series from Model Shipways designed by David Anscherl to learn proper techniques and as mentioned earlier, study the tutorials here at MSW in the articles data base and the four part video on You Tube by Chuck Passaro. Allan
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Chuck is one of the best when it comes to offering high quality. I have had the great pleasure to know him personally for over ten years from back when I lived in NJ. His dedication to the hobby was always evident, long before he started Syren so you are in good hands. Allan
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Hi Keith, I assume you are referring to the upper most yard in the photo. With the yard being 125mm the dimensions are not quite as far off the mark as I thought. 10 inch sewn perimeter seams are still pretty far out of scale, but 30 inch cloths are only 20% over sized. Regardless, your build really is super. Allan
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David Your attention to the little things will continue pay huge dividends. Great to see you doing this. Chris, Not too many members are familiar with noodling, so I was happily surprised to see your comment. I learned noodling from Melvin E. "Catfish" Glisson in the early 70's in western Kentucky and it was fun until a water moccasin got too close for comfort. I went quickly back to ship modeling and fishing from a boat. Allan
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New to modeling - wish I found this site earlier
allanyed replied to flutlo6180's topic in New member Introductions
Welcome aboard Ken. Great to have another new member. Per Druxey's post, do study the planking tutorials and as many build logs as possible as you go forward. If you are going to stay with kits for your next project you might want to consider going with a high quality kit including the three vessel learning series from Model Shipways designed by David Antscherl, Syren kits, and Vanguard kits. These will save you a lot of grief. Allan -
Based on the years 1765 for San Juan Nepomuceno and 1794 for Montanes, if the Spanish ships were close to the British when belaying pins came into standard use (about 1770), the SJN would NOT have pins, but the Montanes would have them. If you are interested in accuracy check everything from these two kit makers against contemporary information before using them. Based on the build logs here at MSW, all the kits from both are loaded with incorrect parts and designs. Definitely check the diameter of the pins. At a scale of 1:70 for the Montanes, the handle diameter should be no more than about 0.025". At this size, wood will be difficult to work with and maybe weak, so consider brass that is painted or other wise colored brown. Allan
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Out of curiosity, what are the kit lengths for the yawl, pinnace, and long boat and those of Marquardt? I could not find the lengths for her boats specifically only for ships of war in the time frame for Endeavour. Thanks Peter Allan
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Good day to you and welcome to MSW Dobbrick! Please post in English. Google or some other translator is pretty close except for some nautical terms. Good morning Have a question about the Revenge Amati. Where do I place the barrels and buckets that come with it Allan
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Penfold, the second layer is much neater. Congratulations. For the future keep in mind the strakes are tapered and end at the rabbet fore and aft, not on another plank, except for the occasional drop strake or stealer. If you wish, take the time to study the tutorials for how to put in planking that is realistic. Is the method you show from the kit instructions? It is seen on a number of kit builds here at MSW but no ship was ever planked this way. Allan
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On whatever decks there were hammocks would be appropriate. Allan
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Hi Daniel I have always used carpenter's glue for wood to wood. I have no had issues with the blackened glue or tape or pencil lines in 40 years so not a bad track record. The blackened glue also works well for keel and other similar items where the joints would show. So little is needed to darken the mass that it does not weaken the bonding action at all. Allan
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I agree that they are very hard to make at most scales we see here, but as you are showing so much fine detail inboard, the battens themselves would still be nice touch as they are rarely seen on models. Allan
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As a novice, SERIOUSLY consider starting with the three boat series from Model Shipway designed by David Antscherl. You will learn proper techniques and wind up with realistic looking models. Study the kit build logs, look at the details and end results of all the brands, then note the few brands that are being built far more often, including Syren, MS, and Vanguard. There is a reason for this. Allan
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Your Terror is one of the best renditions I have seen, kudos!! It is a shame that the kit maker knows nothing about sails and puts what another member here at MSW likened to door mats in the box. This has been a gripe for many builders and why they look for alternative solutions. Just as a comparison of a sail and the thing the kit supplied, the below might be more clear. The dimensional information on the sketch on the right comes from sources based on contemporary information, including Lees' Masting and Rigging. The dimensions may be a bit off but if you or someone building this kit can give me the length of the yard I can give more accurate dimensions on the kit sail to make a more fair comparison. I left off quite a few of the additional reinforcing panels on the drawing, but these can be found in a number of books and probably on line. Allan
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