rafine Posted June 17, 2013 Author Share #121 Posted June 17, 2013 Thanks, Russ and David. David, I use satin Wipe-On Poly by Minwax. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted June 17, 2013 Share #122 Posted June 17, 2013 Very, very well done Bob Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st george Posted June 17, 2013 Share #123 Posted June 17, 2013 Thanks Bob, I'll keep a look out for some next time I'm shopping. David Current Build : HMAV Bounty - Amati Next Build : 18th Century Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted June 17, 2013 Author Share #124 Posted June 17, 2013 Thanks, Augie. After my computer issues, I 've got a lot of catching up to do on other logs . Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted June 20, 2013 Author Share #125 Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) I'm working on the lower deck framing. So far Ive done the three forward beams and the carlings, ledges and lodging knees between them. I'm cutting the hanging knees now. I decided to try assembling the deck framing as a complete unit off the model before installing it. This simplified cutting the mortises and fitting the pieces and so far it has worked out well. The mortises were cut using a razor saw and a small chisel. All of the framing is boxwood. The last photo shows the portion completed to date put in place temporarily for the picture. The next step will be to do the fourth beam and the beam arms. I'll see when they're done whether it can all be assembled in one unit, or if the installation will have to be done in two units and then connected in place. Bob Edited April 10, 2014 by rafine Mcdood, Rustyj, harvey1847 and 2 others 5 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustyj Posted June 20, 2013 Share #126 Posted June 20, 2013 Wow Bob that is great. Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete38 Posted June 20, 2013 Share #127 Posted June 20, 2013 Bob....those are some very nice joint... joints so tight it looks like one solid piece and you just milled some slots in it.... Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted June 20, 2013 Share #128 Posted June 20, 2013 Splendid! Outstanding work Bob. 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted June 20, 2013 Author Share #129 Posted June 20, 2013 Thanks so much, guys. The support is appreciated. I'm afraid that poor photography makes the joints look somewhat better than they really are. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhephner Posted June 20, 2013 Share #130 Posted June 20, 2013 Beautiful work. I wish I could get mine to look like that. In that vein, I have a couple of questions for you. I still consider myself to be pretty much a rookie at ship building and have not yet had much experience with scratch building. A couple of years ago I did cut a couple of frames from this Triton cross-section though. Mine did not look nearly so clean and did not come out quite so accurate and I ended up giving up. How much of a difference do you think using boxwood over a cheaper more readily available wood like basswood makes? From your log, it looks like you cut out each frame piece and then assembled them using the plans as a guide. Is that correct? I've seen other builds where the frames were assembled with "rough" blocks of wood and then cut to shape as a whole rather than in pieces. This is the method I tried, but mine were off by as much as 1/4" when complete. Was it easier to correct for errors when cutting each piece and then assembling? Just curious. You make it look easy. Thanks. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted June 20, 2013 Share #131 Posted June 20, 2013 Bob: Very nicely done. So long as you can get it to fit correctly, I see no reason not to assemble the deck as you are doing. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted June 20, 2013 Share #132 Posted June 20, 2013 Bob, Just spectacular... Very well done. Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted June 20, 2013 Author Share #133 Posted June 20, 2013 Thanks, Rich, Russ and Mark for the very kind words. So far so good, Russ. The short length of the cross section lends itself to doing it this way. Rich, for my money there is no comparison between using boxwood (or pear or cherry or other hardwoods) and basswood. It is well worth the extra cost for the results that you will get and the aggravation that you will avoid. There are certainly people on this site who achieve great results with basswood, but I've been a convert for some time now. You're correct about the method I used to make the frames. I would think that doing it the other way would result in a great waste of expensive wood. Also in my case I cut everything by hand and it seemed much easier to cut smaller pieces rather than full frames. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long9Ron Posted June 21, 2013 Share #134 Posted June 21, 2013 Beautiful work on the lower deck Bob. Your build is looking great. Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Posted June 21, 2013 Share #135 Posted June 21, 2013 Looks good. Plus well done for the skill to build off model. I was never accurate enough and had to build in situ myself Joss ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share #136 Posted June 21, 2013 Many thanks, Ron and Joss. I had never tried it before, Joss, but I'm glad that I did. I don't know how it would work on a full hull model, but it's been good idea on the cross section. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhephner Posted June 22, 2013 Share #137 Posted June 22, 2013 Thanks for the tip on boxwood. I'll look into it and maybe give another go at the Triton cross section. Meanwhile, I'll continue to follow your build log for inspiration. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boccherini Posted June 25, 2013 Share #138 Posted June 25, 2013 Bob, nice looking deck framing. It never occured to me to try building the framing on the bench, then putting it in place. Interesting technique. Regards, Grant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share #139 Posted June 25, 2013 (edited) Thanks, Grant. It's worked out better than I expected. The lower deck framing is now complete and installed. I added the fourth beam and the beam arms, as well as their carlings and ledges. The bottom and sides of the assembly were finished with Wipe-on Poly. The top will be given the finish after a portion has been planked. I then installed the entire assembly permanently. Next, the hanging knees were cut from boxwood sheet, fitted, finished with Wipe-on Poly and installed. Lastly, the pillars were cut from boxwood strip, their corners chamfered, finished with Wipe-on Poly and then installed. The next steps will be to plank a portion of the lower deck and to plank the interior from the lower deck to the gun deck clamps. Bob Edited April 10, 2014 by rafine fatih79, sonicmcdude, augie and 4 others 7 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete38 Posted June 25, 2013 Share #140 Posted June 25, 2013 (edited) Very nice work Edited June 25, 2013 by Pete38 Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted June 25, 2013 Share #141 Posted June 25, 2013 Very impressive. Looking good. Love the geometryof the beam assemblies. 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42rocker Posted June 25, 2013 Share #142 Posted June 25, 2013 Yes, Looking very nice. Later 42rocker Current Build -- Finishing a 1:1 House that I've been building for a while Current Build -- Triton Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonyUK Posted June 25, 2013 Share #143 Posted June 25, 2013 Hi. Wow looking very nice. I am learning a lot here when it comes to my turn I will have some very clear goals. It's as close to the real thing... No its better then the real thing Regards Antony. Best advice ever given to me."If you don't know ..Just ask. Completed Mayflower Completed Fun build Tail boat Tailboat Completed Build Chinese Junk Chinese Pirate Junk Completed scratch built Korean Turtle ship 1/32 Turtle ship Completed Santa Lucia Sicilian Cargo Boat 1/30 scale Santa Lucia On hold. Bounty Occre 1/45 Completed HMS Victory by DeAgostini modelspace. DeAgostini Victory Cross Section Completed H.M.S. Victory X section by Coral. HMS Victory cross section Completed The Black Pearl fun build Black Queen Completed A large scale Victory cross section 1/36 Victory Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share #144 Posted June 25, 2013 Thanks very much guys. Your continuing interest is always appreciated. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted June 25, 2013 Share #145 Posted June 25, 2013 Bob: That deck framing looks perfect. Very nicely done. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long9Ron Posted June 25, 2013 Share #146 Posted June 25, 2013 Very nice work Bob. It looks great. Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustyj Posted June 25, 2013 Share #147 Posted June 25, 2013 That is some very nice, tight framing you have there Bob. I could never do it off the model like that. Well done! Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share #148 Posted June 25, 2013 Thanks, Russ, Ron and Rusty for the very kind words. Hopefully, the gun deck will turn out as well as the lower. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st george Posted June 25, 2013 Share #149 Posted June 25, 2013 Very nice Deck Framing Bob. David Current Build : HMAV Bounty - Amati Next Build : 18th Century Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted June 26, 2013 Author Share #150 Posted June 26, 2013 Thanks, David. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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