WackoWolf Posted October 10, 2016 Share #181 Posted October 10, 2016 I agree excellent work and beautiful detail. Taking your time pays off. Robin Lous, zoly99sask, cobra1951 and 2 others 5 Quote Wacko Joe Go MSW :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lous Posted October 11, 2016 Author Share #182 Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) Thanks EJ and Joe! Some things I planned way ahead, like the longer rail posts (annex extra deck support posts). Other stuff I come up with later or even on the spot...like the planks running along the side of the deck and the cap rail. Yesterday I remembered these ships had tensioning cables running from stem to stern. From one to four cables. So I'll get some nice quality 0,8 or 1 mm rope and I'll make 2 tensioning cables underneath the lower rower seats...one each side of the ship. Still making up my mind about making extra frames in between the existing frames. I now have a scroll saw, so it can't be too difficult. To be decided. Other things I'll scratch build or modify: -The ram. I'll make it from copper sheet. I have ideas, but exact shape and construction...to be decided. -The rigging and attachment points. Different. I figured this out already. Must make 16 one eyed deadeyes and some pin rails. -The oars. the 2mm wide blades are too narrow. Will add 1 x 2 mm strips where the blades will be. -Top rower seat beams...still not finished. Modified like the lower seats. -Ropes to limit the oar movement. -oar loops -leather bags around the lower oars where they stick out of the hull. -Mast and yard. some modifications needed. -The rudders. I'll make new ones. A different style and with more detail. -Beams and a pin rail on the inside of the forecastle. -Painting the ship's eyes. I must get this right. It's a major eyecatcher (typical!) so it must be good. -8 spare oars. attached to the centre railing 2 x 2 each side. -The ladder. Typical for these and other greek ships. -A wind vane (annex flag). The tube / bag type. something like the ones you see near airstrips. Painted. Above the stern. -Sail. Probably tied up. Undecided. What I still need to do following the manual: -The stern railing. And that's about the complete to do list. Oh...and a stand and case I guess. So it will take a while before the trireme will appear on the shipyard, but already thinking about what I'll do different with that one. btw...I change things, but that doesn't mean it's a bad kit. I think it's great and when someone build it straight from the box it will look as good. I didn't change the look of the ship whatsoever. Just different bits and bobs. This said...I have another bireme...and that one will look different! But that's after the trireme, so...far, far away. Okey...bedtime for me now. Robin Edited October 11, 2016 by Robin Lous zoly99sask, cog, EJ_L and 7 others 10 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ_L Posted October 11, 2016 Share #183 Posted October 11, 2016 Whew! You still have a hefty list of things to do and I can't wait to see them! That is going to be a top notch ship for sure when you get her done. Well said about kit modifications. There is nothing wrong with building them straight from the box as many kits will make great models and are often excellent backbones for even better models. I think manufacturers know this and I would imagine that while they are proud of what they produce, to see it taken those extra steps and turned into something even more incredible while still maintaining the essence of their design, that has to make them prouder still. zoly99sask, BrianD2112, cobra1951 and 4 others 7 Quote "A Smooth Sea NEVER made a Skilled Sailor" - John George Hermanson -E.J. Current Builds - Royal Louis - Mamoli Royal Caroline - Panart Completed - Wood - Le Soleil Royal - Sergal - Build Log & Gallery La Couronne - Corel - Build Log & Gallery Rattlesnake - Model Shipways, HMS Bounty - Constructo Plastic - USS Constitution - Revel (twice), Cutty Sark. Unfinished - Plastic - HMS Victory - Heller, Sea Witch. Member : Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted October 11, 2016 Share #184 Posted October 11, 2016 but...I finish the bireme before I start. Robin I'm with the others.... I got a dollar says it's started before Christmas.. "Maybe just seeing how the parts go together" is common reason around here. Robin Lous, cobra1951, cog and 2 others 5 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted October 11, 2016 Share #185 Posted October 11, 2016 A whole dollar, Mark. You are going wild , I put an entire Euro down he starts before St Nicholas (5th December) If he does, I give him an emptied bottle of Napoleon to put on the worktop BrianD2112, EJ_L, zoly99sask and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donrobinson Posted October 11, 2016 Share #186 Posted October 11, 2016 Looking real good Robin, you have a lot of real good ideas that should look fantastic. It is a very long list, though, and I could use a drink......so please include bottle in next post. mtaylor, Robin Lous, cog and 4 others 7 Quote Completed: MS-AVS, Amati Trabaccolo, Dusek ship's boat, AL-Mayflower, Batelina - MarisStella, MarisStella-Trabakul Liburnian Novilara - MarisStella, 17th Century Battle Station, Ragusian Galley-MarisStella Current: Barque Stefano - MarisStella, On Hold: Amati Pegasus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lous Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share #187 Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) lol! you guys are funny! Of course I'll start with the trieres before Christmas, because this one will be ready before Christmas. Because of work..."No news from the Hellenic front", but I found some time to work on the other side railing. Nothing worth showing, but I used a very handy tool to make the recesses in the posts now. I did this with an X-acto blade on the other side...and it worked, but was a lot of work. I now use the dead cheap (Chinese) model saw from Master Tools. And it's a gem! Normally not a big fan of China made stuff, but this is really nice! 4 super fine (photo etched) saw blades with handles for 6 euros. I did the whole lot (14 posts) in 30 minutes...the other side with the X-acto took me a whole day! Very easy to saw sharp, crazy thin cuts with this cheapo! Stained and ready to go on...I can do that tomorrow evening. More soon, Robin Edited September 19, 2017 by Robin Lous dgbot, foxy, EJ_L and 6 others 9 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted October 12, 2016 Share #188 Posted October 12, 2016 This is looking really nice well done OC. Robin Lous, mtaylor and EJ_L 3 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted October 13, 2016 Share #189 Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) Well done Chinaman! So this means you are even ready before December!!! (Mark pay up time ) Robin, did you get the little cheapo gem from Ebay, or sometwhere local? Is the saw still as sharp as when you started ... ? Edited October 13, 2016 by cog cobra1951, EJ_L, Robin Lous and 1 other 4 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonyUK Posted October 13, 2016 Share #190 Posted October 13, 2016 Hi Robin. I like the modified parts that you have added. And it will show very nicely when the ship is finished. I know what you are saying about far East tools. Some are just rubbish But some are brilliant. Watching with great interest on this build. Regards Antony. EJ_L, WackoWolf, Robin Lous and 2 others 5 Quote Best advice ever given to me."If you don't know ..Just ask. Completed Mayflower Completed Fun build Tail boat Tailboat Completed Build Chinese Junk Chinese Pirate Junk Completed scratch built Korean Turtle ship 1/32 Turtle ship Completed Santa Lucia Sicilian Cargo Boat 1/30 scale Santa Lucia On hold. Bounty Occre 1/45 Completed HMS Victory by DeAgostini modelspace. DeAgostini Victory Cross Section Completed H.M.S. Victory X section by Coral. HMS Victory cross section Completed The Black Pearl fun build Black Queen Completed A large scale Victory cross section 1/36 Victory Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lous Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share #191 Posted October 13, 2016 Thanks guys! Well done Chinaman! So this means you are even ready before December!!! (Mark pay up time ) Robin, did you get the little cheapo gem from Ebay, or sometwhere local? Is the saw still as sharp as when you started ... ? I got them from a local shop (Houtloods in The Hague or Wapstad in Rijswijk). Pretty sure I also seen the in the Aviation Megastore in Amstelveen. It's still sharp. Since the sawblade itself is razor thin, it will stay sharp as long as it has teeth. I only cut linden wood with it so far. Robin foxy, EJ_L, cobra1951 and 2 others 5 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy Posted October 13, 2016 Share #192 Posted October 13, 2016 That's usefull Info Robin thanks. Looking foreword to more up dates. Frank mtaylor, cobra1951, EJ_L and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lous Posted October 14, 2016 Author Share #193 Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) With some unexpected extra shipyard time and the help of the thin saw...finished the railing. Next job will be the pin rail on the stern deck. (*) It will be wider, lower, devided and with 2x4 belaying pins. Placed more to the rear. More or less a copy of the pin rail seen on a Greek trade ship reconstruction. The 3 posts will be made of 3 x 3 mm rod, the rail of 2 x 2 mm rod, the pins I'll make of thinned down cocktail sticks. I also bought the 0,8 mm rope needed for the tensioning cables and more wood. Can't have enough wood right? More soon, Robin *Note: All can download the bireme manual from the Dusek website (PDF file), so I don't see any harm in showing some of it. Edited September 19, 2017 by Robin Lous Vivian Galad, mtaylor, Red and 9 others 12 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donrobinson Posted October 14, 2016 Share #194 Posted October 14, 2016 Ahhhh there's my vodka . Really nice job on the railings, that saw looks looks like it's doing a good job mtaylor, cog, Robin Lous and 3 others 6 Quote Completed: MS-AVS, Amati Trabaccolo, Dusek ship's boat, AL-Mayflower, Batelina - MarisStella, MarisStella-Trabakul Liburnian Novilara - MarisStella, 17th Century Battle Station, Ragusian Galley-MarisStella Current: Barque Stefano - MarisStella, On Hold: Amati Pegasus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lous Posted October 14, 2016 Author Share #195 Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) Instead of making the pin rail I made up my mind about making the extra frames. I'll make them! Imho there's too much "nothing" in between the frames and I think there should be more frames. I hesitated to make them, because they won't be that visible. Top oar bench and all the oars will hide much of the inside of the hull, but I know I will feel guilty when I let it go. Another...silly... reason. I got myself a Proxxon scroll saw table and the Admiral started to make funny comments about me not using it. That's bad news for my Christmas wish list, so I better do something with it. So...here we go! Used the frames of my other bireme kit to mark the lines. (old fashioned gravestone rubbing technique ). Neat thing! Very handy indeed! dry fitting the extra frames. I'll stain them before I glue them in place. When I finished this...I can do the tensioning cables and top seat beams....and the pin rail of course. More soon, Robin Edited September 19, 2017 by Robin Lous GrantGoodale, EJ_L, mtaylor and 8 others 11 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ_L Posted October 14, 2016 Share #196 Posted October 14, 2016 Very smart with the rubbings to get the curvature you need. I had a similar conversation on spending money on tools I don't use and so my admiral now has a really nice jewelry box, pen holder, candy bowl, custom picture frames and a huge supply of pens and pencils. Now she buys me gift cards to places that sell the tools I want. zoly99sask, cobra1951, Robin Lous and 3 others 6 Quote "A Smooth Sea NEVER made a Skilled Sailor" - John George Hermanson -E.J. Current Builds - Royal Louis - Mamoli Royal Caroline - Panart Completed - Wood - Le Soleil Royal - Sergal - Build Log & Gallery La Couronne - Corel - Build Log & Gallery Rattlesnake - Model Shipways, HMS Bounty - Constructo Plastic - USS Constitution - Revel (twice), Cutty Sark. Unfinished - Plastic - HMS Victory - Heller, Sea Witch. Member : Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted October 14, 2016 Share #197 Posted October 14, 2016 Smooth move with the table saw, Robin. You must secure the old X-mas list!!! Lovely work too cobra1951, mtaylor, Robin Lous and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobra1951 Posted October 14, 2016 Share #198 Posted October 14, 2016 Extra beams good decision :) Robin Lous, EJ_L, cog and 2 others 5 Quote Bob Current Build HMB Endeavour - Occre 1:54 Completed Builds Section Deck Between Gun Bays - Panart 1:23 scale....x 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lous Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share #199 Posted October 15, 2016 (edited) I expected to need a long time to finish the extra frames. 14 ribs...each one made to measure individually, but it went fairly easy. looks a bit like the rib cage of a dug up Neanderthaler. But the 14 extra ribs make the hull interior look more realistic. I think it was worth the extra 2 days. Tomorrow I'll do the tensioning cables and top rower seats....and perhaps the pin rail. More soon, Robin Edited September 19, 2017 by Robin Lous Seventynet, mtaylor, FatFingers and 10 others 13 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobra1951 Posted October 15, 2016 Share #200 Posted October 15, 2016 I agree Robin Lous, mtaylor, Seventynet and 2 others 5 Quote Bob Current Build HMB Endeavour - Occre 1:54 Completed Builds Section Deck Between Gun Bays - Panart 1:23 scale....x 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted October 15, 2016 Share #201 Posted October 15, 2016 Sturdy looking innards, Robin. mtaylor, EJ_L, Robin Lous and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lous Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share #202 Posted October 15, 2016 (edited) Thanks guys, A bit more about the "oar movement restriction ropes" (OMRR in the Hellenic ship builders and crew manuals...okey...I made that up ). I've seen them on the Olympias lower oars... For some reason only on the lower oars, not on the centre and top oars. Perhaps it's because the complete lack of situational awareness there, but I'm not sure. During the sea trials the rowers there often mentioned they had no clue about what was going on, so it does make sense. Perhaps these ropes were also used on other levels, but not on the Olympias. Making these ropes isn't tough. I can tie them to the seat beams and a nice little loop goes over the oar handle bar. Something like this... but.... Whatever I do...they must go on before I place the top seat beam...or it will become a nightmare job. It will still be daunting to get them on the oar handles when it's time to place them! So...I do this on the side tomorrow. More soon, Robin Edited September 19, 2017 by Robin Lous Old Collingwood, mtaylor, GrantGoodale and 7 others 10 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDW Posted October 15, 2016 Share #203 Posted October 15, 2016 It's a real pleasure seeing your progress updates, Robin. Fantastic work. You must be very conservative on your use of the libations as the model is turning out so nice. Not sure how well I could function if I tipped the bottle too long or too often, but a nip here and there might be exquisite. cobra1951, EJ_L, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Completed Projects: USS Fletcher 1:144 Scharnhorst 1:350 USS Independence LCS-2 1:350 1:32 J7W1 Shinden Interceptor/Fighter Fairey Swordfish Mk. II 1:48 Harbor Tug Box Scale Albatros D.V 1:32 Ala-Kart 1:25 Ferrari 250 GT California Spyder 1:24 S-100 Schnellboot 1:72 Mercury Capsule and Atlas Booster BR-52 Steam Locomotive 1:35 Triumph 3 HW Motorcycle 1:9 Scale F-16XL-2 Experimental Fighter Bomber 1:48 Rafale 1:48 F-15E Strike Eagle 1:48 Petlyakov PE-2 Soviet Dive Bomber 1:48 TBM3 Avenger 1:32 1931 Cadillac 1:25 Scammell Pioneer SV2S Heavy Breakdown Tractor 1:35 M-50 Israeli Sherman 1:35 Military Wrecker 1:32 Delahaye 135 1:24 Toyota Sard Supra GT 1:24 Enzo Ferrari 1:24 1970 Baldwin Motion Camaro 1:25 1966 Ford Galaxie 500 Stock Car 1:25 American LaFrance Eagle Fire Pumper 1:25 1940 Ford Standard Coupe 1:25 VolksWagen Dragster/Dune Buggy/Street Rod 1:25 Kawasaki Ninja H2 Carbon 1:12 Porsche GT-1 Evo 1:24 Scharnhorst 1940 1:700 IJN Akitsushima Seaplane Tender 1:700 HMS Hood 1941 1:700 Prinz Eugen 1942 1:700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lous Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share #204 Posted October 15, 2016 Libations...I had to Google that word! Let's say I focus on enjoying the quality...not the quantity. Tonight was a relaxed shipyard evening....only some dry fitting, research and thinking about what, when and how to do things. That does count as shipyard time also? And..with a nice espresso and a glass of Armagnac! Robin Old Collingwood, WackoWolf, EJ_L and 4 others 7 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDW Posted October 15, 2016 Share #205 Posted October 15, 2016 Excellent! I helped extend someone's vocabulary today, and it wasn't a curse word/words/phrase. Living proof that even a broken clock is right twice a day. zoly99sask, Robin Lous, EJ_L and 4 others 7 Quote Completed Projects: USS Fletcher 1:144 Scharnhorst 1:350 USS Independence LCS-2 1:350 1:32 J7W1 Shinden Interceptor/Fighter Fairey Swordfish Mk. II 1:48 Harbor Tug Box Scale Albatros D.V 1:32 Ala-Kart 1:25 Ferrari 250 GT California Spyder 1:24 S-100 Schnellboot 1:72 Mercury Capsule and Atlas Booster BR-52 Steam Locomotive 1:35 Triumph 3 HW Motorcycle 1:9 Scale F-16XL-2 Experimental Fighter Bomber 1:48 Rafale 1:48 F-15E Strike Eagle 1:48 Petlyakov PE-2 Soviet Dive Bomber 1:48 TBM3 Avenger 1:32 1931 Cadillac 1:25 Scammell Pioneer SV2S Heavy Breakdown Tractor 1:35 M-50 Israeli Sherman 1:35 Military Wrecker 1:32 Delahaye 135 1:24 Toyota Sard Supra GT 1:24 Enzo Ferrari 1:24 1970 Baldwin Motion Camaro 1:25 1966 Ford Galaxie 500 Stock Car 1:25 American LaFrance Eagle Fire Pumper 1:25 1940 Ford Standard Coupe 1:25 VolksWagen Dragster/Dune Buggy/Street Rod 1:25 Kawasaki Ninja H2 Carbon 1:12 Porsche GT-1 Evo 1:24 Scharnhorst 1940 1:700 IJN Akitsushima Seaplane Tender 1:700 HMS Hood 1941 1:700 Prinz Eugen 1942 1:700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ_L Posted October 16, 2016 Share #206 Posted October 16, 2016 Those ribs are an excellent addition. It is always amazing at how something as simple as a frame can make the whole ship look even better. I am with you on quality over quantity when it comes to what goes in my glass. Old Collingwood, cobra1951, zoly99sask and 2 others 5 Quote "A Smooth Sea NEVER made a Skilled Sailor" - John George Hermanson -E.J. Current Builds - Royal Louis - Mamoli Royal Caroline - Panart Completed - Wood - Le Soleil Royal - Sergal - Build Log & Gallery La Couronne - Corel - Build Log & Gallery Rattlesnake - Model Shipways, HMS Bounty - Constructo Plastic - USS Constitution - Revel (twice), Cutty Sark. Unfinished - Plastic - HMS Victory - Heller, Sea Witch. Member : Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lous Posted October 16, 2016 Author Share #207 Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) Figuring out how to get the ropes on the beam caused me a headache. The main issues. How to get them tied neatly to a beam you can hardly reach and how to get the lenght right while doing that? I tried, but I didn't manage to get it right. Was busy until dawn trying and thinking how to get it done. Went to bed without finding a solution. Woke up and found the solution after my first cup of coffee! Cheat! When you can't go round...go through! The solution: Drill a 0,5 mm hole through the beam where the rope (0,25 mm) must be. Rope through the hole...secure with a tiny drop of glue to get the exact lenght right....wrap end of the rope around the beam to make the loop. Drop of CA glue on the underside...cut off remaining rope. It's cheating, but that won't be visible, so it's allowed. Robin Edited October 16, 2016 by Robin Lous cog, WackoWolf, dgbot and 6 others 9 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WackoWolf Posted October 16, 2016 Share #208 Posted October 16, 2016 Nice come back. The word for today is "CHEAT" I love it. cobra1951, Old Collingwood, EJ_L and 2 others 5 Quote Wacko Joe Go MSW :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted October 16, 2016 Share #209 Posted October 16, 2016 ERROR ... you just told us ... so everytime I look at that little bireme of yours ... I can't stop thinking, those ropes ... no with that he cheated ... no can do Robin Lous, Old Collingwood, cobra1951 and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donrobinson Posted October 16, 2016 Share #210 Posted October 16, 2016 Those extra beams look real good Robin, nice little extra Red, cobra1951, Robin Lous and 3 others 6 Quote Completed: MS-AVS, Amati Trabaccolo, Dusek ship's boat, AL-Mayflower, Batelina - MarisStella, MarisStella-Trabakul Liburnian Novilara - MarisStella, 17th Century Battle Station, Ragusian Galley-MarisStella Current: Barque Stefano - MarisStella, On Hold: Amati Pegasus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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