realworkingsailor Posted March 12, 2013 Author Share #151 Posted March 12, 2013 Ok... time to clear out the crustacean infestation, and the other rodentiae (sp?) that have come to populate my build... I've finished getting all the deadeyes and chains rigged. In the process of doing so I had to cut and temporarily mount the top and topgallant masts (to get the angles right for the chains). First time I've seen her stretched to her full height. Andy coxswain, popeye the sailor, trippwj and 1 other 4 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted March 12, 2013 Share #152 Posted March 12, 2013 Hi Andy, Great job on the deadeyes and chains, Overview picture looks great! Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted March 12, 2013 Share #153 Posted March 12, 2013 she looks great Andy........as long as you know where the starting point of the chain plate's location, the cannon ports will dictate the rest of the dead eye placements. it's nice to see how tall she'll stand though.......nice touch! Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted March 12, 2013 Author Share #154 Posted March 12, 2013 Actually, for a change things worked out in real life as well as on paper. By mocking up the masts and running my temporary line down from the future shroud locations, everything lined up right. I missed every gun port (some were a very near miss). Next step is to cap off the channels then I'm going to have to buckle down and get those masts shaped, tapered and fitted. Andy avsjerome2003 and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted March 12, 2013 Share #155 Posted March 12, 2013 It's always a surprise to me just how big a sailing ship model looks when you first try the masts, Andy. Hope you've got a tall shelf space ready! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john46 Posted March 12, 2013 Share #156 Posted March 12, 2013 Hi Andy, Looked over your built log with pleasure. This is really an impressive built and great painting. Well done. Regards, John Quote <span style='font-family: courier new'>In progress: <a class='bbc_url' href='http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/177-king-of-the-mississippi-artesania-latina-scale-180/'>King of the Mississippi</a></span><br /> <br /> <span style='font-family: courier new'>Completed : <a class='bbc_url' href='http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/176-mare-nostrum-4331-artesania-latina-scale-135/'>Mare Nostrum 4331</a></span><br /> <span style='font-family: courier new'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/51-16th-century-galeass-imai-scale-1160/'>16th century Galeass</a></span><br /> <span style='font-family: courier new'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://members.upc.nl/carla.en.john/Modelbouw/Rocket.htm'>George Stephenson Rocket Locomotive</a></span><br /> <br /> <span style='font-family: courier new'>Next build : sl Louise</span> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted March 12, 2013 Share #157 Posted March 12, 2013 Nice job on the 'chain gang'. She really changed with the first addition of the masts. Thanks for the preview of what's to come Good work, mate! Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted March 13, 2013 Share #158 Posted March 13, 2013 Andy, Great going on the chainplates and temporary mast fitting. I'm glad the exterminator didn't need to be called. Burroak 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmil Posted March 13, 2013 Share #159 Posted March 13, 2013 The chain plates look excellent. She will be truly a tall ship too. I'm looking forward to seeing some more progress. Burroak 1 Quote Thanks, Patrick YouTube Channel for fun: Patrick's Scale Studio Finished: Model Shipways US Brig Niagara I Love Kit USS Curtis Wilbur DDG-54 Current: Trumpeter USS Yorktown CV-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted March 13, 2013 Share #160 Posted March 13, 2013 Hi Andy, Ditto to the previous post regarding your chains. Peg is looking really good. Love the banter, some brilliant remarks in there. Mobbsie augie 1 Quote mobbsie All mistakes are deliberate ( me ) Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle Completed Builds :- Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ), Granado Cross Section 1/48 Harwich Bawley, Restoration, Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration, Will Everard 1/67 Billings HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft Kit, HM Brig Badger, HM Bomb Vessel Granado, Thames Steam Launch Louise, Thames Barge Edme, Viking Dragon Boat Next Build :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted March 13, 2013 Share #161 Posted March 13, 2013 Great! (and large with the masts on...) Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted March 17, 2013 Author Share #162 Posted March 17, 2013 It goes without saying (I hope), but thank you all for your comments. I realized the other day it has been a while since I acutally posted some progress... mostly because what I've been doing has been tedious and time consuming... and very dusty... I've started work on shaping the fore mast and attaching some of its fittings. A lot of work for not much visual progress. A lot of time was spent figuring out how to go about getting the shapes and profiles called for on the plans. And of course I ran up against that age old issue with these kits... trying to make a 6mm square out of a 6mm round dowel..... (I'm almost certain that when he designed these kits Watton must have been using square stock to begin with, and somewhere along the lines it got lost in translation), almost as impossible was taking 6mm round dowel and making a 5mm square. What I ended up doing was taking a length of 8mm stock and drilling a short mortise in the top, and sanded down a matching tennon in the bottom of the topmast. I tried to get things as close to center as possible, it was a little off, but by adjusting the final position of the tennon, everything lined up ok. There is a little colour discrepancy, but I don't mind as this part of the mast will be painted black eventually. It may look a little rough for a first attempt, but overall I'm ok with the end result. Everything at the foretop ended up nice and square and pretty much the dimensions required. Nothing a little carefull sanding, filling and painting won't hide. Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted March 17, 2013 Author Share #163 Posted March 17, 2013 I think if I had to do this all over again, I would start by ordering replacement masting material out of square stock. Heck of a lot easier sanding things smaller than having to sand things larger.. Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmil Posted March 17, 2013 Share #164 Posted March 17, 2013 Hey Andy, your progress is looking good. While it may not be the most visually exciting for picture purposes, we all know what's coming next with rigging and all it's glory. I've had some issues with square to round as well and in some cases it was easier to take square stock and piece it on to the round section using a dowel through the center as a strengthener. I've also started with square stock as well. I wonder if anyone from the manufacturers tries to assemble these kits after piecing together the prototype kit. Quote Thanks, Patrick YouTube Channel for fun: Patrick's Scale Studio Finished: Model Shipways US Brig Niagara I Love Kit USS Curtis Wilbur DDG-54 Current: Trumpeter USS Yorktown CV-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted March 17, 2013 Share #165 Posted March 17, 2013 Stick with it Andy. We've all faced the 'take the square stick, make it round, now turn 1/2 of it into an octagon' routine. It's part of the fun mtaylor 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted March 17, 2013 Share #166 Posted March 17, 2013 Andy, The mast looks great and IMO, worth the effort. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted March 17, 2013 Share #167 Posted March 17, 2013 Thanks for the info and pics Andy, this is most definately one tip to remember. Your doing a super job on Peg, she looks great. Mobbsie Quote mobbsie All mistakes are deliberate ( me ) Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle Completed Builds :- Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ), Granado Cross Section 1/48 Harwich Bawley, Restoration, Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration, Will Everard 1/67 Billings HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft Kit, HM Brig Badger, HM Bomb Vessel Granado, Thames Steam Launch Louise, Thames Barge Edme, Viking Dragon Boat Next Build :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted March 18, 2013 Share #168 Posted March 18, 2013 nice bit of progress Andy......I tend to agree with you, but for those of us who don't have a lathe......well, we have to make do I'll look forward in seeing the complete mast tree. so far, it looks real good. Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share #169 Posted March 18, 2013 Thanks everyone. You know...the more I think about it, the more I am seriously considering buying square stock for the upper masts. I got somewhat lucky on my first attempt, but I'm not sure on my patience to replicate the results... I also think it would significantly speed up my progress. And it really would make the masts stronger... No matter how "reinforced" the joint is, it will always be a weak spot. Andy mtaylor 1 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussben Posted March 18, 2013 Share #170 Posted March 18, 2013 True Andy! Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted March 18, 2013 Share #171 Posted March 18, 2013 When you learn that trick Andy you can make a fortune selling the idea to all of us Nice work on the masts though! cheers Pat Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer Posted March 18, 2013 Share #172 Posted March 18, 2013 Hi Andy Nice work on the mast! If you use the solution with the tendon and fix the parts with epoxy glue you end up with something as strong as one made from a single thicker piece. No problem there. To make my spare spars I ordered some square stuff – and it worked like a dream. That’s to say where the grain was ok. Some stuff had too coarse a grain and produced junk. Yesterday I flew into Montreal again and I must tell you that you have to work on your temperatures – they are definitely below standard! (According the definition of the standard atmosphere you should have some +15°C but you were 30°C below that!) Nevertheless there were 2 ships steaming upriver from Quebec despite some ice still on it. I guess you will start your sailing season 2013 soon? Take care Peter Quote current build: The Naval Cutter Alert by flyer - Vanguard Models - scale 1:64 completed builds: HMS Bellerophon by flyer - Victory Models - scale 1:72 Yacht America by flyer - Mamoli - scale 1:66 - with some alterations Dolphyn Corel 1/50 Wasa Corel 1/75 La Gloire C.Mamoli 1/90 HM Bomb Vessel Granado JoTiKa HM Bomb Vessel Granado 1756 CC kit 1:64 Victory Models 1/64 HMS Pegasus by Flyer HMS Pickle, my interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share #173 Posted March 18, 2013 Hello Peter Sailing season will be starting soon. The seaway opens on the 22nd so I imagine sometime this week I'll be getting "the phone call". Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted March 18, 2013 Share #174 Posted March 18, 2013 Very nice mast Andy, I see that your "holidays" are over? Back to the real world again? If I don't speak to you anymore, save trips and come back in one piece….. Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share #175 Posted March 18, 2013 Geez Sjors...don't feel bad...I haven't gone yet... Besides, you know I'll be stopping by after I'm back to work... Someone's got to keep you flinging those cotton canon balls I'm just at that nerve wracking point where I don't know when the call may actually come.. And trying to make plans is a bit risky. To tell the truth it's a bit annoying.... Waiting....and waiting.... Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippwj Posted March 18, 2013 Share #176 Posted March 18, 2013 Waiting and waiting...where have I seen that line before???? Making masts and spars would definitely occupy your downtime shipboard.... Quote WayneNeither should a ship rely on one small anchor, nor should life rest on a single hope.Epictetus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share #177 Posted March 18, 2013 Yeah...no. I mentioned before.. Stuff tends not to survive the journey packed in luggage. Fragile parts break easy and with all my other stuff,clothes, work gear, supplies (think 3 months worth of all the daily stuff you use), there's really not the space. Besides, most of my "downtime" is spent either eating or catching up on desperately needed sleep. Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted March 18, 2013 Share #178 Posted March 18, 2013 Well, we'll keep a light on in the transom for you.......but we WILL miss ya trippwj and mtaylor 2 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share #179 Posted March 18, 2013 Well....now it is official. Got "The Call" a few minutes ago. I leave Thursday... Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted March 18, 2013 Share #180 Posted March 18, 2013 So there you go again then. Come and go just like the seasons…... Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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