JohnEvans Posted May 16, 2020 #1 Posted May 16, 2020 Hi Everyone This is my first model of this type and having only just found this great site and wish id done so earlier! I’m at the rigging stage of building HMS Mars, I’ve done the stays and rat lines, ( even found how to do the mouse!) but if anyone can point me towards pics of the yard rigging stages onwards that would be great.The plans are pretty good, but seeing it is so much more helpful, as the nearer the end I get, either I’m getting denser, or its getting more complicated! Right now I’m not sure if I never want to see another model again, or jump straight back in and try not to repeat some of the schoolboy errors I made, there has been more than one occasion when I have sat starting blankly at a mini fail, only to realize that mistakes you make wait a while before they come back to bite you! Any help would be very much appreciated. thanks John JeffT, Dean77, BETAQDAVE and 7 others 10 Quote
James H Posted May 16, 2020 #2 Posted May 16, 2020 Despite any errors you've made, that is a fine model for your first attempt! Don't beat yourself up. There are some great kits out today that even exceed the quality of the one you bought. I really do hope you can share a new build log with us in future. Oh.... and mtaylor, tkay11, chris watton and 2 others 5 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: Zip, nada! On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48
vaddoc Posted May 16, 2020 #3 Posted May 16, 2020 Indeed, your boat looks very nice! Yep, your description of model boat building seems accurate enough. Welcome to MSW! chris watton, mtaylor, BLACK VIKING and 2 others 5 Quote Current projects: 21' Fisherman's Launch - plans by Howard Chapelle Hercules Steam Tugboat - scratch build from half model lines Completed projects: 21' Yawl Longboat - plans from the National Maritime Museum Deben 5 tonner - a Whisstock yard design 24' exploration gaff rigged ketch - a Tad Roberts design 15' knockabout sailing boat
Edwardkenway Posted May 16, 2020 #4 Posted May 16, 2020 2 hours ago, vaddoc said: Indeed, your boat looks very nice! Yep, your description of model boat building seems accurate enough. Welcome to MSW! 3 hours ago, James H said: Despite any errors you've made, that is a fine model for your first attempt! Don't beat yourself up. There are some great kits out today that even exceed the quality of the one you bought. I really do hope you can share a new build log with us in future. Totally agree!! Welcome to MSW chris watton, mtaylor and JeffT 3 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 - on hold HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64 - FINISHED Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - FINISHED Providence whaleboat- 1:25 - FINISHED Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED
bruce d Posted May 16, 2020 #5 Posted May 16, 2020 Welcome to MSW and let me add my compliments. That is a good looking ship. JeffT, chris watton and mtaylor 3 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
tkay11 Posted May 16, 2020 #6 Posted May 16, 2020 It's a lovely model you've been building, and the Caldercraft models are generally amongst the top brand of kit makers. To answer your question about the rigging, I can suggest three lines of thought. The first is to get Petersson's book "Rigging Period Ship Models". Among the rigging experts there is a lot of banter about inaccuracies, but it does give a very good simplified introduction to rigging square rig ships. It has beautiful diagrams that break down each part of the rigging separately so that you can step back from the overpowering complexity of a rigging diagram. There is also Mondfeld's excellent book on Historic Ship Models. You can find both books used, at reasonable cost, on eBay, Amazon, Alibris or AbeBooks. There's even a Kindle edition of the Petersson book. The second line of thought is to go to the National Maritime Museum's website and research your ship. The may well have plans available. Finally, you can search for other builds of Mars on the web, which may give some help. Tony mtaylor, JeffT and chris watton 3 Quote === First build: Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne 1763 FINISHED 2nd build: Triton cross-section COMPLETED 3rd build: La Chaloupe Armée / 42ft Armed Longboat of 1834 by tkay11 – scale 1:36, plans by M. Delacroix COMPLETED 4th build: Allège d’Arles 1833 (Ancre) POB by tkay11 – scale 1:100, plans by F. Fissore COMPLETED Working on La Jacinthe 1:96 POB (ANCRE publications)
JohnEvans Posted May 16, 2020 Author #7 Posted May 16, 2020 Thanks for all your helpful comments! JeffT and chris watton 2 Quote
ccoyle Posted May 16, 2020 #8 Posted May 16, 2020 I agree with the previous posts -- that is a very respectable first model. Welcome to the forum! tkay11, chris watton and JeffT 3 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, TBD
JohnEvans Posted May 16, 2020 Author #9 Posted May 16, 2020 Thanks Tony found the Petterson book on e bay and got it! john chris watton and tkay11 2 Quote
JeffT Posted May 16, 2020 #10 Posted May 16, 2020 Welcome to MSW Very nice work on your model. mtaylor and chris watton 2 Quote Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard
mtaylor Posted May 16, 2020 #11 Posted May 16, 2020 Welcome to MSW. I wish you success on the HMS Mars. I did a quick search and there's two logs, but neither has gone to the point of rigging yet and they're both about 7 years old. Maybe think about starting a log beginning with the rigging? tkay11 and chris watton 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Jim Lad Posted May 16, 2020 #12 Posted May 16, 2020 Hello John, and a warm welcome to the forum from 'Down Under'. John mtaylor 1 Quote
GrandpaPhil Posted May 17, 2020 #13 Posted May 17, 2020 Welcome! mtaylor 1 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
Thunder Posted May 17, 2020 #14 Posted May 17, 2020 Hi John, The Pettersson book is a good reference just remember it is for one point in History and for a ship. You are rigging a Brig that may have differences as well due to being a captured Dutch ship. I still refer to James Lees book for variances for the period of the vessel I am building. As for being a Brig just remember that the lowest yard on the main mast is now a crossjack yard and so will not have as much rigging as the fore yard. I am just catching up with you on my H.M.S. Cruiser's rigging. Just doing the ratlines and then will have backstays to do before I have caught up. I write up my hole rigging plan first so happy to help as we go along. If you start a log from where you are it will start a debate that will help you. Adrian mtaylor and tkay11 2 Quote Current Build(s): H.M.S Diana 1794 - Caldercraft 1:64 Scale Completed Builds: H.M.S. Cruiser 1797 - Caldercraft 1:64 Scale H.M. Naval Cutter Speedy 1828 - Model Shipwright 1:48 Royal Caroline 1749 - Panart 1:47 H.M. Brig Supply 1759 - Caldercraft 1:64 H.M.S. Pickle 1778 - Caldercraft 1:64 H.M.Y. Chatham 1741 - Caldercraft 1:64 H.M.S. Resolution Cutter - Corel 1:50 H.M.S. Racehorse - Sergal 1:47 (Renamed H.M.S. Thunder 1740) first wooden kit build.
JohnEvans Posted May 18, 2020 Author #15 Posted May 18, 2020 Thanks Adrian Im just waiting for a few extras to arrive from Jotika and the book and I’ll make a start. I’ve got a feeling that my efforts are going to be pretty amateurish, but looking forward? to giving it a go! one of the biggest problems I had with the stays was keeping the tension so if the book has any tips on that I might re-do them cheers John mtaylor and chris watton 2 Quote
druxey Posted May 18, 2020 #16 Posted May 18, 2020 Welcome! What you wrote about your experience so far is exactly what all of us have gone through/are going through. You will have plenty of sympathy and advice if you need it here. For a first attempt, you've done very well. Your model looks like most folks' third or fourth! chris watton, mtaylor and tkay11 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
JohnEvans Posted May 19, 2020 Author #17 Posted May 19, 2020 Ha ha, nice to hear that! I’m already getting loads of help and advice, just wishes I’d found this forum earlier! cheers John mtaylor 1 Quote
Baker Posted May 20, 2020 #18 Posted May 20, 2020 Great model. And welcome to MSW mtaylor 1 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum
stuglo Posted May 20, 2020 #19 Posted May 20, 2020 Never give up. Never be afraid to redo. If there is a shipbuilder's "block", we all have recurrent attacks. About rigging, I defer to the foregoing experts , but I understood that this was often done away from the original builders yard and upgrades/repairs at the captain's choice and direction. mtaylor 1 Quote current build- Swan ,scratch on shelf,Rattlesnake, Alert semi scratch,Le Coureur,, Fubbs scratch completed: nostrum mare,victory(Corel), san felipe, sovereign of the seas, sicilian cargo boat ,royal yacht caroline, armed pinnace, charles morgan whaler, galilee boat, wappen von hamburg, la reale (Dusek), amerigo vespucci, oneida (semi scratch) diane, great harry-elizabethan galleon (semi scratch), agammemnon, hanna (scratch).19th cent. shipyard diorama (Constructo), picket boat, victory bow section
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