mtaylor Posted January 5, 2021 Share #181 Posted January 5, 2021 On 1/2/2021 at 3:27 PM, Jack12477 said: You know "close" only counts in horseshoes or hand grenades 😇 {chuckle} Looking good so far EG ! Also nuclear warheads. Edwardkenway, Jack12477, popeye the sailor and 6 others 9 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share #182 Posted January 6, 2021 On 1/2/2021 at 3:27 PM, Jack12477 said: You know "close" only counts in horseshoes or hand grenades 😇 {chuckle} On 1/4/2021 at 4:16 PM, mtaylor said: Also nuclear warheads. Well it all depends on the degree of the closeness, Horseshoes, it's measured in inches... Hand Grenades it's measures in yards, (or metres if your military) With Nuclear Warheads it's measured in miles..... On a Seascape, it's measured in oceans, or in this case part of an ocean.... (and unlike the other three you have to count the season as well) So when I say close, I'm looking at the macro sense of close, you know expansive..... But I will admit to narrowing the scope down to the North Western Pacific in early spring..... And that was intended to be a joke.... So I've acquired my materials..... On the left is the TP a few squares, next to that is the Acrylic Gloss Heavy Gel medium, and then the Acrylic Modeling Paste and finally in the unlabeled bottle, a 50/50 mix of Elmer's and water... Then of course my foam base... I need to find the color of the ocean on that day or more like it in similar conditions.... Now don't really need to do much research to know that the ocean is blue.... and white caps are well, white... But what shade of blue? how intense given the bright sunshine the reflectivity of the water should I use high gloss or semi-gloss.... So I gathered some pictures of the North Pacific Ocean in bright sunlight for the most part showing the conditions in a lot more detail than the B&W subject pic and a range of sea conditions from mild to, well, let's say conditions that would definitely rock any boat your on..... (and there is one sunset pic that crept into the mix) Mild.... Early morning with a good stiff breeze.... And last, lets go rockin'.. Now, the first set of two images probably show that the water was like the days just after they left San Francisco... The second set of three show what it probably was like when they started their dash to the launch point..... And the last three probably show conditions at launch..... The middle three are the closest to what I need to model although they do show as a bit stronger sea conditions than the subject pic.... And the color is blue, no big surprise there, but it's a deep deep blue even under bright sunlight... Pthalo Blue looks good for the water and Titanium White for the little whitecaps and any foam around the ship's hull..... Will be starting texturing the ocean in a bit.... EG lmagna, Edwardkenway, Landlubber Mike and 5 others 8 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted January 6, 2021 Share #183 Posted January 6, 2021 Great pictures and research - looking forward to seeing your execution of the diorama! Old Collingwood, lmagna, popeye the sailor and 4 others 7 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted January 6, 2021 Share #184 Posted January 6, 2021 I take my hat off to you EG for modelling a seascape, I always struggled doing water when making wargame terrain😉 mtaylor, Canute, popeye the sailor and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share #185 Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/5/2021 at 8:39 PM, Landlubber Mike said: Great pictures and research - looking forward to seeing your execution of the diorama! On 1/5/2021 at 11:57 PM, Edwardkenway said: I take my hat off to you EG for modelling a seascape, I always struggled doing water when making wargame terrain😉 Thank you very much my friends, Mike I like showing the process, how I get from image to finished model... The research is part of that.... Ed, what I'm doing is kinda an amalgam of the various techniques out there, my first was an ugly board painted blue with some melted styrene foam to represent waves..... I've learned a lot more since then.... My problem was starting always worried if will come out right for what I'm modeling. For the most part I'm beyond that stage now, but I wouldn't be here if I didn't try..... I hope you all like it when it's done and it doesn't look like a rock thrown in a pool.... {chuckle} Canute, popeye the sailor, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share #186 Posted January 7, 2021 Another small update.... Prepping the surface for detailing..... This is where the Modeling Paste comes in, eliminating any defects in the foam forming heat process... Using an artists knife to spread the paste over the deep ripply bubbles formed by the heat gun.... First application was a bit thick around 1/8th inch.... This paste dries hard, very hard and shrinks a bit so the expected cracks appeared, a second thin skin coat took care of those..... Overall it the 1/8th thick coat took about 6 hrs to dry completely, the skim coat took about 2 hrs.... I left it overnight to make sure it fully dried.... Next comes the TP and glue application... TP & white glue has been used for eons as a modeling material, from this type of application to making tarps for armor, it is very versatile.. You first start by gluing down a layer of TP.... 1st sheet.... 2nd sheet and so on and so forth till the surface is completely covered... Then you come back over it with a second layer and as you can see it is really unavoidable to create a texture... This will now sit overnight to dry as well before I add the wavelet texture layer which will be two more layers of TP... I will not be looking for coverage on the next two layers, but trying to create the small waves being blown up across the swell.... Onward..... Old Collingwood, Landlubber Mike, Jack12477 and 4 others 7 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted January 7, 2021 Share #187 Posted January 7, 2021 Thanks for showing your steps on creating this diorama. I've seen the TP approach in some other builds on Youtube, and it looks like a great technique. lmagna, Edwardkenway, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share #188 Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Landlubber Mike said: Thanks for showing your steps on creating this diorama. I've seen the TP approach in some other builds on Youtube, and it looks like a great technique. My pleasure Brother, I'll keep doing it as long as people put up with it.... It's an old standby for putting wrinkly textures on smooth surfaces, been around for generations.... Edited January 7, 2021 by Egilman mtaylor, Landlubber Mike, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted January 8, 2021 Share #189 Posted January 8, 2021 I dont think I would have the skill brother - I think I would be scared of it going wrong, keep going I know you will inspire me to one day have a bash. OC. popeye the sailor, lmagna, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share #190 Posted January 8, 2021 10 hours ago, Old Collingwood said: I dont think I would have the skill brother - I think I would be scared of it going wrong, keep going I know you will inspire me to one day have a bash. OC. You've got the skill, the way you paint those figures, a seascape is easy peasy..... Really, they aren't hard at all my friend........ mtaylor, Edwardkenway, Landlubber Mike and 3 others 6 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share #191 Posted January 8, 2021 Short update.... Finished the TP application, time to break out some paint..... First application will be the Pthalo Blue, probably going to be a bit bright in first application...... Not sure, need to let it dry first... Probably should have used royal blue.... it's a hair too blue..... Either a black wash, or a streaking of blue/black to darken it some.... Onwards.... popeye the sailor, Landlubber Mike, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share #192 Posted January 8, 2021 Ok took another pic without the camera flash.... And the comparison... Before I go to darkening, I'm going to give it a second coat..... I probably should have put a dark base under the blue.... Opinions? popeye the sailor, Old Collingwood, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted January 8, 2021 Share #193 Posted January 8, 2021 Perhaps a tad darker but without the flash it looks fine, the white caps will change the look too. Could you use a translucent darker blue as a second coat? Canute, Egilman, popeye the sailor and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share #194 Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Edwardkenway said: Perhaps a tad darker but without the flash it looks fine, the white caps will change the look too. Could you use a translucent darker blue as a second coat? Your seeing the same thing I am my friend... where the paint is pulled out, it is brighter cause of the white tp underneath.... And it stands out... I should have dark based it...... Where it overlaps it's dark enough so I think I'll put a second coat on it and see where I'm at.... Should have less white gleaming through.... I think I'm on the right track.... Thanks Ed.... Edited January 8, 2021 by Egilman popeye the sailor, Canute, Old Collingwood and 3 others 6 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share #195 Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Egilman said: I think I'm on the right track.... Now this is what I wanted to sea..... Second coat on, over in the corner about half dry..... (a bit shallower angle as well) THAT looks like the subject pic in color..... Yay Team!!! Onwards... Old Collingwood, Edwardkenway, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted January 8, 2021 Share #196 Posted January 8, 2021 You're homing in on that sea color, EG. Looks better as a darker sea. Old Collingwood, Egilman, popeye the sailor and 4 others 7 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted January 8, 2021 Share #197 Posted January 8, 2021 Isnt it the old saying "Darker - Deeper" in relation to the colour of the sea? looking good - "Carry On" OC. Edwardkenway, lmagna, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Biggles Posted January 9, 2021 Share #198 Posted January 9, 2021 Looking good mate! I think it adds a lot to a ship when it’s shown on water, abit more life. popeye the sailor, Edwardkenway, Old Collingwood and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted January 9, 2021 Author Share #199 Posted January 9, 2021 19 hours ago, Canute said: You're homing in on that sea color, EG. Looks better as a darker sea. I think from the low angle it's almost spot on.... 10 hours ago, Old Collingwood said: Isnt it the old saying "Darker - Deeper" in relation to the colour of the sea? looking good - "Carry On" OC. Yes brother, as far as water goes, Deeper = Darker..... 5 hours ago, Lt. Biggles said: Looking good mate! I think it adds a lot to a ship when it’s shown on water, abit more life. Thanks my friend... There are places for both, pedestal looks good for larger models, smaller look better (imho) on the sea in their natural environment..... On this one I've decided to model a specific day in the life.... so it has to look a certain way..... (gets to be a headache at times, and it takes longer, but in the end it is worth it) Canute, Edwardkenway, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted January 9, 2021 Author Share #200 Posted January 9, 2021 Ok, another small update... The paint is dry... Now this is high angle with flash and of course the ships hull is in position.... This is the angle it will probably be viewed at most of all... I have another angle..... Aside from the wake, that matches the pic.... The wake will get added when it's time to mount the hull into the water, but I think I'm spot on here... It looks like the seas in the pic.... That's what I was looking for.... Onward... EG Canute, Landlubber Mike, mtaylor and 7 others 10 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted January 9, 2021 Share #201 Posted January 9, 2021 Even with the flash the water looks super, as you say, the details will finish it off. Very nice work, I think you've cracked it EG😉 lmagna, Old Collingwood, Jack12477 and 4 others 7 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted January 9, 2021 Author Share #202 Posted January 9, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Edwardkenway said: Even with the flash the water looks super, as you say, the details will finish it off. Very nice work, I think you've cracked it EG😉 Thanks my friend.... Took a little bit of figuring, but scale was the controlling factor, too much variation and it would look strange..... I suppose I could throw another coat of Pthalo Blue on it but then it would look too dark..... Next up is more research and prepwork.... I have to do something about the camo pattern on the superstructures and sort the wake out of how they looked... Unless they were in heavy seas the Gleaves class units didn't throw a lot of wake but it is the defining factor here cause the wake draws the eyes to the ship.... A first look is this shot.... Of course I stole this pic from Floating Drydock.com, (anyone have an issue with it I'll take it down) but it goes to illustrate what the wake would be and in this pic the ship was cutting through the wake of the oil tanker she is coming along side of.... a lot of wake for 15 kts with these ships.... But it shows that even with some waves, they didn't throw a lot of wake.... and it's in color.... Be a couple of days while I work out the camo.... then start building the superstructure... EG Edited January 9, 2021 by Egilman lmagna, Edwardkenway, Landlubber Mike and 5 others 8 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share #203 Posted January 10, 2021 About half way through working out the Camo pattern for the superstructure.... There are not a lot of references for it out there and it was unique to the ship... (no two Ms.12 patterns were identical, ships to ship nor port to starboard on the same ship) Everything that is details not shown on the diagram gets 5-O ocean grey.... Similar but not identical... (still working on the port stern, it's a little disjointed at the moment... Onward... Old Collingwood, Edwardkenway, lmagna and 3 others 6 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted January 11, 2021 Share #204 Posted January 11, 2021 That looks like it will be a fun scheme to paint, ouch! Very nice job on the diorama base! Old Collingwood, mtaylor, Edwardkenway and 4 others 7 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share #205 Posted January 11, 2021 17 hours ago, Landlubber Mike said: That looks like it will be a fun scheme to paint, ouch! Very nice job on the diorama base! Yep, all brushwork..... Gonna take some time..... Thanks brother, the base isn't finished yet, that will have to wait for the ship to be almost finished..... popeye the sailor, lmagna, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share #206 Posted January 11, 2021 Camo patterns done.... Had to take a little artistic license on the port side as there are no images of it available.... but for the most part it is close to what she wore.... Should be able to work with this...... Landlubber Mike, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 4 others 7 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmagna Posted January 12, 2021 Share #207 Posted January 12, 2021 5 hours ago, Egilman said: Had to take a little artistic license on the port side as there are no images of it available So that means that it is not artistic license, but absolutely authentic as no one can argue with you on your choice. Edwardkenway, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 3 others 6 Quote Lou Build logs: Colonial sloop Providence 1/48th scale kit bashed from AL Independence Currant builds: Constructo Brigantine Sentinel (Union) (On hold) Minicraft 1/350 Titanic (For the Admiral) 1/350 Heavy Cruiser USS Houston (Resin) Currant research/scratchbuild: Schooner USS Lanikai/Hermes Non ship build log: 1/35th UH-1H Huey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted January 12, 2021 Share #208 Posted January 12, 2021 looking good Egilman....I wouldn't think that both sides were identical. the seascape is coming along nicely as well Edwardkenway, mtaylor, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted January 12, 2021 Share #209 Posted January 12, 2021 Unless there's a port side shot, who's to say. Coming along nicely. Edwardkenway, Old Collingwood, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted January 16, 2021 Author Share #210 Posted January 16, 2021 On 1/11/2021 at 6:33 PM, lmagna said: So that means that it is not artistic license, but absolutely authentic as no one can argue with you on your choice. That'sa a good way to put it brother, Authentic, it doesn't have to be exact.... On 1/11/2021 at 7:12 PM, popeye the sailor said: looking good Egilman....I wouldn't think that both sides were identical. the seascape is coming along nicely as well Specifically they weren't identical, that is the main issue with replicating Ms.12 mod, and they weren't really paying attention to recording the camo schemes... The port side was similar to what was on the starboard side, this works for the hull but the superstructures were another thing with wide variations... I guess it depends on what the painting crew responsible for that portion of the ship decided, without pics there is no way to know..... So composite is the only way to go.... The wake is going to tell the tale my friend, I'm still calculating on how I'm going to do it.... On 1/12/2021 at 8:54 AM, Canute said: Unless there's a port side shot, who's to say. Coming along nicely. There are none unfortunately, with the Gwin I got lucky, there are shots of most of her port side, it's the stern that is missing.. I didn't know this when I started so I lucked out in that respect.... I also found a port side shot of the USS Kearny, which was painted at the same time as the Gwin and their patterns are so similar that they were probably painted by the same crew..... I lucked out there as well... Thank you my friends, I'm trying to do her as accurate as I can.... Old Collingwood, lmagna, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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