Duchess of Kingston 1798 by glennard2523 - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Royal Yacht by Glenn Shelton

[Rustyj]

Very nice Glenn. You are making great progress.

[Glenn-UK]

Thanks Rusty. I should be starting the rigging in the next couple of weeks, just a little bit bit work left on the yards and masts. Also the 6 cannons need rigging. Busy times ahead.

[Glenn-UK]

All work on the lower masts and lower platforms is now complete. I did not encounter any problems with completing this aspect.

 

Speedy is hiding in the background

 

With regards to adding the wolding to the fore and main mast it was a straightforward task. I started by marking the various position, using tape.

 

Next I took a length of black thread and clamped the loop.

 

I added 5 full turns and then 6th turn was feed through the loop, as shown in the plan drawing. To finish off I applied a very diluted solution of pva over the wolding. It took me around 10 mins to per mast to complete.

 

Once that was I done I added the cleats, deadeyes and blocks to the fore and main masts.

Edited February 11, 2021 by glennard2523

[Glenn-UK]

Today I have started to rig the cannons. I am undecided if I will add the inhaul tackle but I have added the breach rope to the first 3 cannons.

 

I started by seizing an eyebolt to a length of natural thread, using black fly tying thread, as can be seen in the photo

 

Once I had seized the eyebolt I threaded the breach rope through the two cannon eyebolts and then set about seizing the other eyebolt. I have tried to show this in the next picture, which is a little bit blurry.

 

The end result

 

The cannon was then place on deck and the eyebolts inserted in the two holes on the bulwalks.

 

 

Edited February 13, 2021 by glennard2523

[James H]

She's looking very clean. Nice work on rigging those guns too.

[Glenn-UK]

1 minute ago, James H said:

She's looking very clean. Nice work on rigging those guns too.

Thanks Jim, I will be starting the main rigging in the next week or two.

Edited February 13, 2021 by glennard2523

[drjeckl]

Glenn,

 

Why did you not include a wire ring connected to the eyebolt?  I have seen in numerous example that that is the 'nominal' sequence: eyebolt, ring and the breeching rope seized to the ring, not the eyebolt.  Or at least using a hook.  Your technique locks the cannon in; can't be moved.

 

Thanks...John

Edited February 13, 2021 by drjeckl

[Glenn-UK]

1 hour ago, drjeckl said:

Glenn,

 

Why did you not include a wire ring

I know what you mean, rings would be accurate but as I am only adding partial cannon rigging for decoration purposes I think the lack of rings will not be noticed once the standing and running rigging has been completed. I have no plans to move my cannons either.

Edited February 13, 2021 by glennard2523

[Glenn-UK]

I am in the process of adding the all the blocks and deadeyes to fore, main and mizzen masts, including their respective top and top gallant masts. It feels like I am doing a lot of work but I'm making very little progress. That said I should have completed this in the next day or two and can then make a start on adding the standing and running rigging.

 

This afternoon I have made both the 2 x fore yard lifts and 2 x main yard lifts. Each of these lifts requires a 3mm and a 5mm single block.  I was not sure how to go about this task. I have detailed my first method below. I found this method was relatively straightforward and both blocks were secured together as one assembly. I do have another idea for securing the two blocks together, without adding the seizing which I will try in the morning. 

 

Method 1 - Seizing Blocks

I started with the 3mm block which I held in place, using the quad hands.

 

Using the thin fly tying thread I added three loops of seizing, using half hitch knots top and and bottom.

 

Next I positioned the 5mm block and clamped the thread in place

 

Using top and bottom half hitches I seized the 5mm block in place

 

As I was using white seizing thread I applied a touch of black between the two blocks.

 

After about an hours effort I had completed all 4 yard lifts, which now just need to be tied to the masts.

 

Method 2 - Not yet tried but will reduce the gap between blocks

a) Secure a 3mm block with thread using a reef knot.

b) Add the 5mm block, and clamp the thread in place

c) Secure a 5mm block with thread using a reef knot (or maybe add a seizing).

 

 

[VTHokiEE]

My method to build these blocks on my Alert and reduce the gap was to thread one line through the individual strands in the other line to make almost a false splice around the smaller block (if the line was 4 stranded the the needle would go between two strands). Then I took these ends around the larger block and seized them together. As I type this I realize that my text description is failing miserably, but if you are interested I could make up a block and take some photos during the process that should explain it a lot better.

 

Final product shown here: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/22920-hm-cutter-alert-by-vthokiee-finished-vanguard-models-164/?do=findComment&comment=774906

Edited February 16, 2021 by VTHokiEE
Added link

[Glenn-UK]

30 minutes ago, VTHokiEE said:

My method to build these blocks on my Alert and reduce the gap was to thread one line through the individual strands in the other line to make almost a false splice around the smaller block

Thanks. I understand your method. I think my 2nd method will yield similar results.

[Glenn-UK]

As indicated in my previous post I was thinking of trying a 2nd method for the fore and main yard double block yard lifts.

 

When in doubt I should have gone to my book of reference, which is Rigging Period Ships by Lennarth Petersson. I have found this to be a very useful book.

 

Under the section about the yard lifts it shows the following picture

 

Armed with this I decided to ditch my previous yard lift double blocks and started a fresh. I held a 3mm block using my quad hands and secured the thread using a standard reef knot.

 

Next I positioned the 5mm block next to the 3mm block. The quad hands proved to be really useful for this task.

 

With the 5mm block in place I secured it in position using a reef knot. I did adjust the thread shown in the picture below so it sat in the grove.

 

I then applied the seizing to the thread between the two blocks, as shown in the illustration provided in the book, using thin black fly tying thread.

 

The end result was a much better looking double block arrangement for both the fore and main yard lifts. I did trim the seizing thread ends a bit more after I took the following photo.

 

[Glenn-UK]

Work continues on the slow and painstaking task of adding the various blocks to the mast assemblies.

 

I have completed adding everything to the mizzen mast today and this is now ready for the rigging phase.

 

The main and fore masts are almost complete, each require just 6 more blocks adding to complete (topsail ties x 2, topsail yard lifts x 2 & topgallant yard lifts x 2). It is a time consuming task to add each block. I have opted to make each pair on one length of thread which I have found to be better when positioning and securing to the mast. I should have these made and added to the masts by the end of week.(Sunday).

 

 

 

If everything goes to plan I intend to start the rigging phase on Monday morning, starting with the Anchor Hawse Thread and followed by adding the bowsprit gammoning and bowsprit stays.

Edited February 18, 2021 by glennard2523

[glbarlow]

Have you tried the usual figure 8 seizing method, seems like that would make it a lot easier?

[Glenn-UK]

I have made better progress than I was expecting. I finished adding all the blocks to the fore and main mast assemblies this morning so I decided to move straight on and fitted the ship’s bell strap complete with a small length of 0.25mm natural thread from it.

 

Next I installed the Anchor Hawse Thread which turned out to be an easy task and only took 15 mins to complete.

 

I started by treating each end of the anchor hawse thread with a very thin coat of ca gel and then with my craft knife I made a slight chamfer. I checked that I could feed both ends of the anchor hawse thread through the holes provided in the hull. The centre of the thread was then positioned in the hatch, as can be seen below.

 

With the thread in place the hatch was glued in place and both ends of the thread wrapped around the windlass winch drum then fed under the bowsprit bit and finally pushed through the holes in the hull.

 

 

 

I have now reach the stage where the Duchess Deck work is complete and I can now start with the rigging.

 

[Glenn-UK]

Gammoning and Spritsail Tye

I have started the rigging. I decided to start by fixing the spritsail, which I thought would be easier to do before the bowsprit was positioned on board. I then thought it would be a good idea to rig the spritsail tye blocks.

 

 

The bowsprit assembly was positioned on the hull. I did not use any glue thinking if I rig it properly it should be held firm. I also noted that the jibboom was at a slightly jaunty angle. I did contemplate trying to remove the jibboom but thought I could do more damage trying to do so I decided to live with it.

 

I cut a length of 0.5mm black thread and seized a small loop at one end and then started with the gammoning process. As can be seen in the photo below I had a senior moment and tried to add the gammon over the bow rails.

 

 

It was a bit fiddly threading the gammoning beneath the bow rails, but it did not take long to complete adding the 7 loops. I realised my thread was not going to be long enough to complete the gammoning so I had to remove it all and start again with a longer length of thread. This time I was able to complete and tie off the gammoning.

 

Although I thought I had counted 7 loops when rigging it would appear, from the photo, that I only added 6 loops. I will live with that.

 

 

After completing the gammoning I belayed the spritsail tye loose end to the bowsprit bit.

 

Spritsail Lifts

This was a relatively straightforward rigging task. I started with the starboard block attached to the outer edge of the spritsail and its associated block on the side of the bowsprit end cap. After I had passed the thread (0.25mm natural) through the block pairs I seized one end to the eyebolt also located on the side of the bowsprit cap.

 

 

Once secured I tensioned the rigging and belayed it to the timberhead. I repeated the process for the port side.

 

Next I moved on to the two flying blocks attached to the end of the jibboom. I started on the starboard side and attached a length of 0.25mm natural thread to the end of the spritsail. This was then passed through the flying jibboom 3mm block and then through the eyebolt on the spritsail before it was belayed on the timberhead. I then repeated the process for the post side.

 

The slight misalignment of the jibboom can be seen in the photo below

 

 

To finish off I applied a very diluted coat of pva over the rigging thread. My next task will be to rig the bowsprit stays. I think this will be a little bit more tricky than the lifts.

Edited February 21, 2021 by glennard2523

[Rustyj]

Now the real fun starts! She's looking really good!

[Glenn-UK]

10 minutes ago, Rustyj said:

Now the real fun starts! She's looking really good!

Thats true, adding the first bowsprit stay was a bit of a challenge but not as bad as I first feared.

 

The final 3 bowsprit stays will be easier. Then I'll start adding the shrouds.

[Glenn-UK]

I have now fitted the four bowsprit stays and the work on rigging the bowsprit is now complete for the time being. Tomorrow I will start work adding the shrouds, starting with ,the mizzen mast shrouds.

 

The rigging of the 4 x bowsprit stays was a tad fiddley and, at times, tested my patience. I was not happy with the amount of tension I set in the deadeye lanyards but they do not look too bad to the naked eye. Once completed I coated the rigging with a heavily diluted solution of pva.

 

The first bowsprit stay

 

Birds eye view of the two two side bowsprit stays.

 

A picture showing all 4 bowsprit stays

 

Another picture of all 4 bowsprit stays

Edited February 22, 2021 by glennard2523

[GuntherMT]

Can you not just tighten the lanyards if you are unhappy with them?  I know if I was unhappy with something like that it would bug me forever if I didn't change it.. but then maybe I'm a weirdo!

[Glenn-UK]

11 minutes ago, GuntherMT said:

Can you not just tighten the lanyards if you are unhappy with them?  I know if I was unhappy with something like that it would bug me forever if I didn't change it.. but then maybe I'm a weirdo!

I have contemplated redoing them however they look reasonably OK to the naked eye. I might be tempted to redo the two side ones at some stage.

[DelF]

Congratulations on the build, she's coming along fine. And well done on keeping such a comprehensive log.

 

3 hours ago, glennard2523 said:

I was not happy with the amount of tension I set in the deadeye lanyards

I tend to leave lanyards loose until I'm ready to tighten all the related rigging. There are so many forces and counter forces in the rigging that there's a danger that if you seize up lanyards too early in the process they will turn out to be either too tight or too loose later on. Leave the lanyards loose until everything bearing on a particular mast or yard is ready then progressively tighten everything up until all is in balance. 

 

1 hour ago, GuntherMT said:

it would bug me forever if I didn't change it.. but then maybe I'm a weirdo

If so, I'm a weirdo too. Seriously Glenn, you're spending so much time in the shipyard just now that a few minutes spent redoing a few lanyards will hardly signify, and you'll feel much better for it!

 

Derek

[Glenn-UK]

Thanks Derek.

[Glenn-UK]

The title of this post is called the good, the bad and the ugly.

 

The Good - Part 1 - Mizzen Shrouds

Using 0.75mm black thread I added the two shroud pairs and the two single shroud lines in turn. I used black flying tying thread to seize the shroud lines around the mizzen mast, using alternate top and bottom half hitch knots

 

The Bad - Spacers for the Deadeyes

After looking at the plans and build pictures I decided where the deadeyes needed to be positioned at the end of the shroud lines. I bent two lengths of wire to the required distance. They look pretty bad and were a complete nightmare to use. The top deadeye is shown upside in the photo, the single hole should be a top

 

The Ugly - Deadeyes

I used some flying tying thread to seize the deadeyes to the shroud lines. I made a right mess of it and was very embarrassed with the end result. In setting the distance between the deadeyes with the copper wire jigs I made a basic schoolboy error. I forgot to account for the tensioning of the lanyards. When I added the lanyards and started to adjust then I noted that the shroud deadeyes were too close to the channel deadeyes. The seizing is also uneven and very messy. I was left with no choice but to remove the shroud deadeyes and start again. It was a easy task to replace the shroud pair line and keeping it in the right position (at the bottom) around the mizzen mast.

 

The Good Part 2 - A new start

I then spent a couple of days trying to figure the best way to tackle adding the 3mm deadeyes to the shroud. I consulted with DelF (Derek) and I looked very closely at his method which he described in his Speedy build log (post #492) . I did try his method on a deadeye and length of thread and I was very pleased with the end result. I ran into problems when I tried to replicate this on an actual shroud line. After I had seized the block in what I thought was the right position it had somehow magically moved. I also looked Donnie Driskell's YouTube video. His method relies on using plenty of beeswax to stiffen the shroud line so it retains it shape. I have tried this before and I did not like the look (or feel) of a heavily beeswaxed line so I discounted this as a viable solution to my problem.

 

After much experimentation I came up with a modified version of the method used by Derek. I liked the jig he used but I had issues keeping the shroud deadeye in place when I tried to position the shroud line around the deadeye. I then had a brainwave and devised a slightly modified jig. It has two pins at the bottom which are used to locate in the channel deadeyes and a 3mm dowel at the top to represent the position of the shroud deadeye.

 

I found I could wrap the shroud line around the dowel and I could use a croc clip to keep some tension in the free end of the line. I was then able to add the sizing in situ, as can be seen in the next photo. As can be seen the seizing is done to one side, but I did account for this when setting the distance between the two pins and dowel on the jig.

 

The 3mm deadeye was a nice snug fit in the seized loop. I then added the lanyards to check the approx. distance between the two deadeyes. I was very happy with the distance. All that is now left to do is add the two shroud seizing above the deadeyes which should be straightforward. I will remove the lanyards before I do this.

 

Now that I found a method that seems to work for me I can now spend the next few days finishing the mizzen mast shrouds and lanyards.

 

Edited February 24, 2021 by glennard2523

[DelF]

Good solution Glenn - I'll try that dowel jig next time.

[Glenn-UK]

31 minutes ago, DelF said:

Good solution Glenn - I'll try that dowel jig next time.

Thanks Derek. You can always reduce the diameter of the dowel to get a tighter fit for the deadeye in its groove.

 

I would never have thought of it if I had not seen your use of the drill bit.

Edited February 24, 2021 by glennard2523

[Glenn-UK]

Having spent most of this week working on the mizzen mast shrouds and lanyards I was feeling pretty pleased with myself this morning with the end result. I started to look at the ratline spacing so I could position the futtock staves. I was a bit concerned with the spacing between the shroud lines at the top. I had a look at the plan sheets to see to see if my concern was just a flight of fantasy. Looking at the plans I noted my shroud lines did not match up, it was then that I realised I had made a major mistake. I had seized the shroud lines around the bottom of the mizzen topmast instead of around the squared top of the mizzen mast. I have no idea why I had done that or why I had not noticed it sooner.

 

With a tear in my eye and my scissors in hand I removed all the mizzen shrouds and lanyards. The mizzen mast is now devoid of all shrouds and lanyards and is ready and waiting for me to get my act together and do to the job correctly. The only positive I can take from this is that I was able to refine by technique with the first attempt.

Edited February 26, 2021 by glennard2523

[DelF]

Ouch, I feel your pain!🥺

 

Another reason why it's not a good idea to make up the whole mast in one go. I did the same with Speedy, and am now finding it awkward to rig the shrouds.

[Glenn-UK]

10 minutes ago, DelF said:

Ouch, I feel your pain!🥺

 

Another reason why it's not a good idea to make up the whole mast in one go. I did the same with Speedy, and am now finding it awkward to rig the shrouds.

Ditto with mast assembly.

[Glenn-UK]

After many trials and tribulations over the last 7 days I have now finally completed the mizzen mast shrouds. As the two photos below will show I am no master craftsman with regards to this aspect of model ship building. This did really test my patience at times and I lost count of the number of times I had to redo various bits, adding new shroud lines, redo the lanyards, etc.

 

I did find it very fiddling working with 3mm deadeyes but the jig I made proved to be a very useful tool in forming a nice loop, seizing and then placing the deadeye in the shroud line. The tying off of the lanyards is not still not great but, unlike previous builds, I did manage to get the final knot behind the deadeye.

 

In summary  my shroud technique is slowly improving with each new build but there is still plenty of room for improvement. Next I will look at adding the futtock stave and catharpins. I am also debating weather to add the mizzen mast ratlines before moving on to main mast shrouds and lanyards.

 

I will redo the middle lower shroud seizing as it looks pretty awful in the picture below