HMS Cumberland 1774 by Jack H - 1:36 &1:48 - POF - kit development for True Image Models

[Jack H]

The lower and upper cheeks are modified to prepare the relief of the bow.I'm thinking about how to process lower and upper cheek.

[Jack H]

 

[Chuck]

Beautiful!!!

[Beckmann]

This model will be very impressive with such carvings. Excellent work Jack, congratulation!!!

[mtaylor]

Fantastic, Jack.  Your carvings are works of art.

[scrubbyj427]

Keep the updates coming Jack! Drooling over this one.

JJ

[dvm27]

Amazing work Jack. I'm used to seeing the scroll of the lower cheek tuck into the bottom of the foot. Is the small gap temporary or does it conform to the draft?

[Jack H]

Thank you Greg!

As for that gap, it's a result of unfinished drafting work now,  I'll test sample of scroll,in next step,

 

Compared with the original draught, I made some modifications to the head of Neptune,especially the neck, the head posture in the original design is a little strange,it may be intentional to leave enough space with bowsprit.. Personally, I prefer the heroic posture...And his robe, because I need to use the robe to cover the connection of the left arm, I use 4-axis processing, so the left arm will hinder me from processing his body.

 

 

 

Edited April 20, 2021 by hjx

[Jack H]

Hello everyone,haven't updated for a long time for busying with other things.

Just as stern post and dead wood, fashion pieces and transoms are processed, I will talk about some of my ideas.

POF or fully framed model because of its complex structure, it is difficult for ordinary modelers to process these parts by hand. Even modelers with high skills need a lot of time to complete these complex parts. I use CNC to process these parts, which is simple and fast, and can save a lot of time for you.

 

This is just a commercial kit. My goal is to make a POF model that only a high skilled modeler can do before, without taking 5-10 years for a modeler with ordinary skills.The following two figures show the pre assembled parts (deadwood) and the pre machined parts (transoms, fashion pieces, after fashion pieces).

 

1:36 Cumberland 1774

 

 

 

However, there is no doubt that this kind of pre assembled parts will increase the cost, and the price will be much higher than the basic version.

 

1:36 Cumberland 

 

1:48 Cumberland

 

1:36 Cumberland

 

 

basic parts,peer wood

 

The basic version only has 'basic parts', almost no pre assembly and processing parts. It is suitable for modelers with high skills, and the price will be cheaper. The high-end version is relatively expensive, which is suitable for modelers who want to make models quickly and easily

 

I don't hide my idea. My goal is to enable modeler to make "high quality" models ，But I won't copy or imitate the master's model. My UK partner and I calculated all the parts according to the historical data (contract) and Navy principles, referring to the original draughts of NMM.

 

All the parts you see above have not been polished or hand polished. In other words, these are the parts provided by kit. After your own fine polishing and waxing, you can get very good results.

 

 

 

Jack

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 3, 2021 by hjx

[scrubbyj427]

So are the basic parts a lower quality? Or they just require assembly? They are still precision cnc cut correct?

 

Are you actually going to offer and ship pre assembled sections of the model in the kit?

[Jack H]

9 hours ago, scrubbyj427 said:

So are the basic parts a lower quality? Or they just require assembly? They are still precision cnc cut correct?

 

Are you actually going to offer and ship pre assembled sections of the model in the kit?

Hi JJ，

Maybe this picture can help me explain the difference between the two versions，they are all precision cnc cut ,the basic version is equivalent to the second step, and the follow-up needs to be completed by yourself (whether it is traditional manual grinding or power tools).It takes a lot of time and some skill, but it can save money. Pre assembled parts can save a lot of time, which may reduce the time from 5-10 years to 1-2 years (maybe).

 

But the high-end version does not mean that all parts are finished. That is unreasonable. The high-end version will pre assemble and process many parts that are difficult to make by hand. Other relatively simple parts are still equivalent to the second step.

 

 

 

“Are you actually going to offer and ship pre assembled sections of the model in the kit”，We are experimenting with this plan. We can at least provide the kit for the second step. As for pre assembled parts, we need to find a balance between convenience and price, that is, we will control the proportion of pre assembled parts

 

Thank you!

 

Jack

 

 

Edited June 3, 2021 by hjx

[AnobiumPunctatum]

Looks really nice. For lot's of modelers I think the milled parts are a goed starting point. I don't think that it is necessary to prebuild parts of the model

[Jack H]

1 hour ago, AnobiumPunctatum said:

Looks really nice. For lot's of modelers I think the milled parts are a goed starting point. I don't think that it is necessary to prebuild parts of the model

Thank you. I agree with you. In fact, the basic version of kit is the most realistic. It saves complicated processing and costs. Modeler can decide whether to choose pre assembled parts according to its own needs, that's why I've introduced the two versions in detail .Secondly, this kind of face-to-face communication can let me know more about modeler's feedback and process kit that suits most people's needs.

Edited June 3, 2021 by hjx

[Beckmann]

I agree with Christian, that the basic version is my favorite. The prebuild version gets close to the kind of modelshipbuilding of plastic kits. Nothing else to do, than gluing everything together. That is not much of a challenge and not much to be proud of afterwards. ( I know, there are real artists among the plastic-kit builders, who are able to make them look extremely realistic, that is very impressive, but putting together the parts of the kit is usually easy)

I think, shipmodelbuilders, who build such a model, should have enough skills to shape these parts by themselves. Otherwise, they will struggle later on, when it comes to planking and making fancy modlings etc. You need some woodworking skills, to start such a project.

Matthias

 

Edited June 3, 2021 by Beckmann

[scrubbyj427]

So when can we begin building this beast!?

Edited June 4, 2021 by scrubbyj427

[Jack H]

59 minutes ago, scrubbyj427 said:

So when can we begin building this beast!?

 

Hi JJ,

Now I'm not sure about the exact release time, but I can make a general plan public. As my area is now in the rainy season for more than two months, and then from July to December is relatively dry season, so from July to September I will process the first batch of 20-30 sets of basic version, using pear wood. I'm testing the parts of pear wood, and I'll release the photos of the parts in the next few days.Then I will process some pre assembled parts properly. But the official sale, or booking, needs to wait until the prototype is completed.

 

For the English version, I prefer the chapters mode of bow / mid / mid / stern section, so that even if you are not willing to continue to make the remaining chapters, the previous chapter can also become a separate model. If you can finish four chapters, you can also assemble a complete hull.I think the bow section will be released more quickly, but if you stick to the traditional Chapter mode, I think it may need to wait until next year.

 

If I have completed at least 10 sets of basic parts from September to December, we allow 1-2 experienced and skilled members to participate in beta kit (testing kit).

 

It needs to be emphasized that in MSW forum, non-sponsors can not publish commercial information, but I am a "de facto sponsor". Because we (true image models) have not been able to prepare the website, and for some other reasons, we have not officially published the links of sponsors.

 

Jack

 

 

 

[Jack H]

Stern/keel/false keel/bow

 

 

 

[Jack H]

stempost,risingwood,quarter gallery figure,

 

 

[Beckmann]

Very nice design!! Looking forward to see the next steps!

Matthias

[Jack H]

1：36 Cumberland，

 

[Beckmann]

Will that be the Size of the Bow Sektion?

[Jack H]

On 6/12/2021 at 6:26 PM, Beckmann said:

Will that be the Size of the Bow Sektion?

Now I'm not sure about the length of the bowsection, but at least she will contain a lower deck and an upper deck's gun ports,

 

By the way, I'd like to show the "3D structure diagram". These black and white line diagrams can enhance the understanding of the structure. There will be such a structure diagram in the assembly instructions in the future.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 14, 2021 by hjx

[scrubbyj427]

Impressive work Jack! Keep the updates coming! Can’t wait to get my hands on this.

 

[Jack H]

Stemson,apron,deadwood...

 

 

The following is the part of the first chapter I envision, including figurehead,

 

 

The second chapter, I think, is all square frame, cant frame (cant timber), hawse pieces,

 

Edited June 16, 2021 by hjx

[Beef Wellington]

Looks like a fascinating project and a fantastic kit!  You seem to have a very good idea on how to approach this and its welcome that you looking for a solution that considers different skill levels.

[Timmo]

This is really quite incredible quality.

[Jack H]

Hi all!A little update

 

 

 

 

Using 3D software, we can capture the perspective of any angle of view, which is very fast,about a few seconds, this kind of diagram can be used to make the assembly diagram. Of course,  also can make 2D shipmodel plans.

 

 

 

 

Jack

 

 

 

Edited June 17, 2021 by hjx

[scrubbyj427]

Wonderful work Jack! I need this as soon as possible!

[Jack H]

 designing quarter gallery figures,

 

 

[Chuck]

Beautiful figures.....They will translate into some fantastic CNC carvings.