Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 - by Kevin - July 2021 - finished March 2022

[Old Collingwood]

Smashing work Kevin - really nice, I know what you mean about the motion sickness  - when I used to watch cowboy films and saw the these carriages bouncing about so mutch  I used to think that no way would I have gone in one.

 

OC.

[mtaylor]

1 hour ago, Old Collingwood said:

Smashing work Kevin - really nice, I know what you mean about the motion sickness  - when I used to watch cowboy films and saw the these carriages bouncing about so mutch  I used to think that no way would I have gone in one.

 

OC.

 

What always got me was the guard when attacked by the bad guys, always managed to shoot accurately and hit one or two of them.  I was tough to hit anything from a helicopter but I can't imagine hitting anything firing from a stagecoach trying to outrun the baddies.  Maybe my problem was I wasn't John Wayne?

[Jack12477]

Ever wonder how they manage to shoot two hundred rounds from a six-shooter without ever reloading. 🤔 And that rifle only held a max 15 rounds.

Edited August 5, 2021 by Jack12477

[Kevin]

i wonder if the wild west was full of racing wagons, and littered with dead cowboys and other baddies, 

and if you hit a stage coach passenger, do you cut a line in the side of your trusty steed, to mark the occasion?

[Egilman]

1 hour ago, Kevin said:

i wonder if the wild west was full of racing wagons, and littered with dead cowboys and other baddies, 

and if you hit a stage coach passenger, do you cut a line in the side of your trusty steed, to mark the occasion?

That's Hollywood!

 

It really wasn't like that at all... in some ways better, in others worse... in the movies and TV every stagecoach has a shotgun rider, in real life, there was seldom a shotgun rider even when the strongbox was full... Robbing a stagecoach was a very difficult proposition and not tried often... Banks were much much easier.... Heck even robbing a train was easier....

 

Never take your history from the media.... And in today's world the media includes the supposed news services.... ABC news for example is run by ABC entertainment....

[Kevin]

lol so its wasnt like 

Alias Smith and Jones (TV Series 1971–1973) - IMDb

 

 

[Jack12477]

2 hours ago, Egilman said:

ABC news for example is run by ABC entertainment....

Which is owned by Disney ! 😲

[Kevin]

good afternoon everyone

 

thankyou for likes and comments

 

with 75% of the chassis done, the sharp shooters and  paying passengers need somewhere to sit

 

the internal shaped formers help to create the shape on the sides of the carriage, these were made up last night and allowed to dry

 

today the two sides were married via the floor, pva and C/A  and accelerator made quick work of the setting process

two end pieces go in to ensue the top is the correct distance apart

 the floor end is then chamfered to ensure the outside skin is not fouled

 

the skin was ok to put on, i never used any heat or water, just took me time and pinned as i went along

 

the skin is way oversized, to allow for not putting it on straight

 

i will now wait until tomorrow before trimming it back

 

 

[popeye the sailor]

great start on the coach Kev......did you have to think about the chassis color,  or is that the color choice in the kit?  that's what I'm pondering over,  since I'm going for a New England coach.   again,  your making me wish I bought a wood kit   

[Egilman]

38 minutes ago, popeye the sailor said:

did you have to think about the chassis color,  or is that the color choice in the kit?

The Overland Stage Company used yellow and red, the yellow for the chassis is traditional and was carried over when Overland was acquired by Wells Fargo.... (they kept the yellow chassis and just used a simple varnish on the coachwork)

[Kevin]

43 minutes ago, popeye the sailor said:

great start on the coach Kev......did you have to think about the chassis color,  or is that the color choice in the kit?  that's what I'm pondering over,  since I'm going for a New England coach.   again,  your making me wish I bought a wood kit   

 

3 minutes ago, Egilman said:

The Overland Stage Company used yellow and red, the yellow for the chassis is traditional and was carried over when Overland was acquired by Wells Fargo.... (they kept the yellow chassis and just used a simple varnish on the coachwork)

 the kit calls out for the yellow on the sides only not the top or bottom, i tried to match the yellow as best i could on the box art and phots, but they all vary,

[Old Collingwood]

I think I am correct in thinking this  - wasn't a lot  of the British  version's  painted in Black and Yellow Ocre?

 

OC.

[Egilman]

10 minutes ago, Kevin said:

the kit calls out for the yellow on the sides only not the top or bottom, i tried to match the yellow as best i could on the box art and phots, but they all vary,

Yep, there was no hard and fast rule on any of them... About the only thing that is common to them all is the yellow painted oak wheels and silver steel tyres.. Even the yellow color could vary by where the coach was built, they all sourced local materials...

[Kevin]

18 minutes ago, Old Collingwood said:

I think I am correct in thinking this  - wasn't a lot  of the British  version's  painted in Black and Yellow Ocre?

 

OC.

the royal mail of course was black and red

[Old Collingwood]

36 minutes ago, Kevin said:

the royal mail of course was black and red

So right mate, Think I was  influenced  by the RN   versions that carried the despatches back from the battle of Trafalgar.

 

OC.

[Kevin]

good afternoon everyone

 

the outside skin never went quite to plan, all my efforts to put it on straight resulted in well, it not going on straight,  i ended up with a rather odd looking twisted box. one end was ok. so i but line across and removed the other end, re applied and it is ok now,

i never noticed it the time as there is a large off cut to allow for being off centre

the walnut veneer is slowly going in, but its a pain, so fragile

 

the photo's do me no favours at all

 

 

 

 

the ok end

and the not so ok

the walnut veneer is slowly going in, but its a pain, so fragile

 

 

Edited August 7, 2021 by Kevin

[Kevin]

Good evening everyone

 

well the inside has bee lined and the floor has been done onto a template, go in later when i have varnished it

this evening i started the outside bulking out the side panels in 2x5mm strip wood, this will then be faired off

 

this is from the instructions on how to achieve the fairing

 

Edited August 8, 2021 by Kevin

[Old Collingwood]

Impressive work Kevin  - so much detail is going into it.

 

OC.

[Kevin]

7 hours ago, Old Collingwood said:

Impressive work Kevin  - so much detail is going into it.

 

OC.

Thank you OC

 

 

[wefalck]

Talking about paint-schemes: over here in continental Europe I think by the early 19th century most stage-coach services were state-run in one way or another, with inns being sort of franchises. The coaches were mostly painted yellow with black iron-work and lining. Also leather-work including roofs, boot covers, etc. was black. 

[Kevin]

On 8/9/2021 at 1:14 PM, wefalck said:

Talking about paint-schemes: over here in continental Europe I think by the early 19th century most stage-coach services were state-run in one way or another, with inns being sort of franchises. The coaches were mostly painted yellow with black iron-work and lining. Also leather-work including roofs, boot covers, etc. was black. 

how was the wooden body protected, was it varnish, and if so, would a high gloss been available, as that is what if fancy putting on?

 

and thank you for your wealth of knowledge on the subject

 

[Kevin]

well i finished the out side coach work, that was actually quite enjoyable, YES it could have been a lot lot tidier but it is being covered over

[wefalck]

Kevin, at that time either oil-based paints or (shellac) lacquer based paints and varnishes would have been available. 

 

Oil-paints, when new can be quite glossy, but it also depends on the pigments and other accessories used in the paint formulation. When exposed to the wheather, it would dull. Oil-paints remain a bit elastic, so would be well suited to paint structures such as coaches.

 

Shellac-based paints, being harder, could be polished to a very high gloss, but would be more prone to cracking. Colourless shellac varnishes of wood can be polished to your wishes, between satin and high gloss, and would be quite tough. On the other hand they are not really weather resistant.

 

I think the wood-work would have been either painted with an lineseed oil-based paint, or be treated just with lineseed oil. 

 

 

[Egilman]

20 hours ago, Kevin said:

well i finished the out side coach work, that was actually quite enjoyable, YES it could have been a lot lot tidier but it is being covered over

I was wondering how they were going to form the convex curve of the coach sides, you going to steam the veneer or lay it dry?

[wefalck]

I was actually wondering, what the reason for this rather elaborate construction was ...

[Egilman]

2 hours ago, wefalck said:

I think the wood-work would have been either painted with an lineseed oil-based paint, or be treated just with lineseed oil. 

Depends upon where they were used, if on the post road between Boston and NY they were probably painted in shellac paints and polished to a very high gloss... (for a higher class crowd) Out west, painted in whatever colors the line used, not polished with bare wood oiled.... They all used gold leaf lettering in the usual fancy script style and again depending on where they worked lamps on either the front two corners or all four corners... No glazing but in areas that were subject to dusty conditions they usually had canvas dodgers to cover the windows....

 

Another thing, western coaches used either a four or six horse team where eastern coaches used a two or occasionally four horse team..... Western coaches weren't as ornate as the eastern coaches.... they were more utilitarian....

[Kevin]

2 hours ago, wefalck said:

Kevin, at that time either oil-based paints or (shellac) lacquer based paints and varnishes would have been available. 

 

Oil-paints, when new can be quite glossy, but it also depends on the pigments and other accessories used in the paint formulation. When exposed to the wheather, it would dull. Oil-paints remain a bit elastic, so would be well suited to paint structures such as coaches.

 

Shellac-based paints, being harder, could be polished to a very high gloss, but would be more prone to cracking. Colourless shellac varnishes of wood can be polished to your wishes, between satin and high gloss, and would be quite tough. On the other hand they are not really weather resistant.

 

I think the wood-work would have been either painted with an lineseed oil-based paint, or be treated just with lineseed oil. 

 

 

Thank you so much for your reply, i appreciate that very much, 

i would still like to put some gloss varnish/lacquer on there

 

[Kevin]

38 minutes ago, Egilman said:

I was wondering how they were going to form the convex curve of the coach sides, you going to steam the veneer or lay it dry?

the covering is with some very poor 1x5mm veneer, 

i have done the lower half of one side and will post a photo later

[Kevin]

17 minutes ago, Egilman said:

Depends upon where they were used, if on the post road between Boston and NY they were probably painted in shellac paints and polished to a very high gloss... (for a higher class crowd) Out west, painted in whatever colors the line used, not polished with bare wood oiled.... They all used gold leaf lettering in the usual fancy script style and again depending on where they worked lamps on either the front two corners or all four corners... No glazing but in areas that were subject to dusty conditions they usually had canvas dodgers to cover the windows....

 

Another thing, western coaches used either a four or six horse team where eastern coaches used a two or occasionally four horse team..... Western coaches weren't as ornate as the eastern coaches.... they were more utilitarian....

thank you, the kit provides for the window blinds and lettering, in fact the kit does a good set up - but as i have found in the past AL does provide poor strip-wood

lamps are also included, powered by a 9 volt battery, but they look over sized

Edited August 11, 2021 by Kevin

[Egilman]

16 minutes ago, Kevin said:

lamps are also included, powered by a 9 volt battery, but they look over sized

They would be bigger cause they were paraffin wax based lamps, the base was a big giant wax pot or candle holder... Much like a whale oil lamp but with much heavier oil... they were bigger cause they didn't put out much light, barely enough to see the step into the stage.... But, they would burn all night without tending and last for several days before refilling.....

Edited August 11, 2021 by Egilman