HMS Sphinx 1775 by Glenn-UK - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - V2 Kit by Glenn Shelton

[Glenn-UK]

6 minutes ago, glbarlow said:

The curve of the bow is not the same top to bottom. 

True, as the bow filler pieces are curved top to bottom but I would think you would apply a similar fairing angle to the each bow filler piece, maybe that is where I am going wrong.

[Glenn-UK]

I decided to do a bit more work on my test hull yesterday as I had not faired the left-hand side. Good news the penny has dropped and I believe I now finally understand the flow lines around the bow area as I have been able to get some test planks to lie nice and flat from bulkhead 3 to the stem post, especially in the areas between the gun and lower decks which is my normal problem area. Hopefully this means I will be able to significantly reduce the clinker effect if I can reproduce this on the production V2 hull.

 

With regards to progress I have now reached stage 65 in the build manual with my V2 production build.

 

Starting with the stern bulkhead 13/13.1 assembly I followed the same process as per my V1 build. Starting with the stern filler part 13.1a I marked the edge with the bulkhead, as shown in the photo below.

 

Next I added a line that followed the shape of the stern filler part 13b as shown in the photo below.

 

This provides me with a reasonable guide to fairing this part, much of which I did before it was glued in place.

 

The above process was repeated for the remaining stern filler patterns.

 

I then traced the outline of 13-1 on bulkhead 13 as a fairing guide. Once I had pre faired the parts the parts were all glued in place and then I completed the initial fairing process.

 

I used the bow curve pattern to estimate the pre fairing the bow bulkhead 1 and bow filler patterns 1a, 1b and 1c. I ensured I left a thin laser char edge where the parts were faired.

 

The lower deck and bulkheads were then glued in place. I did test fit the various parts that locate in the lower deck holes, such as the main pump, masts, bitts, etc. The horizontal gun port strips and lower deck coaming were also added.

 

Next the gun deck support beams were added, using clamps to allow the glue time to grip and cure.

 

This is the current stage of the build. The stern counter frames have been dry fitted but they will be removed so the horizontal faces can be faired so they flow with the longitudinal deck beams (build step 72), as I think this a better method than trying to do so with the parts in situ given the restricted access due to the bulkhead ears and gun port strips.

 

I did pre fair the lower parts of the bulkheads before they were fitted, airing on the side of caution.

[Glenn-UK]

I have faired and glued the stern counter frames and spacer beam this morning. I have also dry fitted the gun deck base, which comes in two parts.

 

 

As you will note from the above photo I have test fitted the deck items. I think this is an important step to make sure the parts will fit once the gun deck in in place.

 

Everything looks good midships above the deck

 

 

Everything also looks good below the deck with all the items aligning nicely into the lower deck slots.

 

Moving on to the bow section, again every looks good above the deck

 

However it is a different story below the deck with the bowsprit support which does not locate in the holes provided even after a bit of jiggling. I will remove the gun deck to check the fit and I am sure everything will be fine. I also will add some additional supports to the gun deck before it is glued in place.

[Glenn-UK]

The issue with the bowsprit support not fully engaging in the lower deck locating holes has now been resolved with the removal of some laser char which seemed to be the problem.

 

The bowsprit support is now fully engaged.in the lower deck holes.

 

I have used some spare planking material to add supports to the gun deck joins around the hatches. I did make sure the opening for the other deck items were left unobstructed.

 

Now that I was happy with the fit of the gun deck I went ahead and glued it in place. I used an assortment of objects to hold the deck in place to allow time for the glue to cure.

 

With the deck in place the inner frames were sanded smooth. This is not an easy job, especially around the bow area. There is some remnants of laser char on some bulkheads but it does feel smooth to touch.

 

The bow fillers have been shaped and fitted

 

The stern fillers have been shaped and fitted

 

The inner bulwark, spirketting and deck clamp patterns have been giving a WOP (wipe on poly) coat and will be left for a few hours to allow time for parts to dry. I used tape to mark the positions of the spirketting and deck clamp patterns on the bulwarks so as to avoid adding WOP to the glue areas.

 

Right-hand side patterns after the WOP has been applied.

 

Left-hand side patterns after the WOP has been applied.

 

Once the WOP has dried I will add the flat red paint, remembering to mark off the area after the forward gundeck cabin bulkhead. When I start to fit the inner bulwark patterns I will use a small jig to help ensure the patterns are correctly aligned with the gun port openings so any minor adjustments to the patterns can be made, as necessary.

 

Edited November 30, 2021 by glennard2523

[Glenn-UK]

The first task today was to dry fit the inner bulwarks to make sure everything looked OK. I was pleased that everything looked good.

 

Bow Inner Bulwark

 

Stern Inner Bulwark with gun port jig in use. I decide to paint the entire inner bulwark red and walnut for the door. In reality much of this areas will not be visible once the quarterdeck has been fitted.

 

I applied glue to the join areas and then fitted the bow inner bulwarks which was held in place using several clamps. I also brush some diluted pva on the reverse side for good measure.

 

Moving on the adding the quarterdeck spacer patterns. I had a few minor issues with my V1 build when adding the quarterdeck support beams so before gluing the quarterdeck spacer patterns I felt it prudent to dry fit the quarterdeck support beams. I was pleased to see they were all a good fit this time around.

 

 

 

 

[Glenn-UK]

I have now glued the quarterdeck spacer patterns and stern inner bulwarks in place. Compared with my V1 build I have made a much better job of this task this time around, especially with the fitting of the stern inner bulwarks patterns

 

 

Moving on to fitting the chequer pattern deck I made a template, from a thin cardboard sheet which was trimmed for a good fit. I added a centre line to ensure the template was central across the deck base. I also added to holes for the deck eyebolts for good measure which also ensures good alignment. Using the template the chequer pattern deck was trimmed and was a good fit.

 

The eyebolts are perfectly aligned through both deck part parts.

 

I am also going to use a cardboard template to trim the main gun deck pattern.  I used a thin strip to get some data points.

 

The data points were then transferred to the cardboard template, which is an exact copy of the untrimmed deck. Again it is important to use a centre line to ensure the trimming points are correctly transferred to the template.

 

By joining up the dots a trim line is added to the template

 

The template was then trimmed and checked. Due to the size of the gun deck pattern the template will comprise two parts. The first part is a good fit. I would like to say I got it right first time, but the one shown in the picture below was my fifth attempt to get a good fit template.

 

Both templates are a good fit.

 

A close up of the bow template, the camera lens cover was used a point of focus.

 

I think I can now trim the gun deck pattern for a perfect fit.

 

 

Edited December 2, 2021 by glennard2523

[Glenn-UK]

Following on from my last post I used the cardboard template to trim the main gun deck pattern. It required a small amount of sanding before it would fit. I then dry fitted the deck items the majority of which were a nice smooth fit, but as can be seen in the photo below I was unable to fit all the parts.

 

 

After a little bit more fettling all the deck items were a nice smooth fit. I then applied a coating of pva to the gun deck pattern and once it was installed used clamps to hold the deck in place as the glue cured. I used a tin as a weight to hold the chequer pattern deck in place.

 

 

After the glue had cured the clamps were removed and I rechecked the dry fitting of the deck items. I also fitted the space jigs. Everything was a really good fit. I am really pleased I took my time with the fitting of the deck pattern as the gun deck is a much better fit compared with my v1 build.

 

 

[Glenn-UK]

Today I started work on fitting the Lower Spirketting and Deck Clamp Patterns to the left hand side. Before proceeding with the gluing phase there were a few things I wanted to do / check.

 

The first task was to drill through the eyebolt holes above each gun port so locating pins can be used when fitting the Deck Clamp Patterns, as can be seen in the photo below

 

With each hole drilled I checked the pins would fit. I also test fitted an eyebolt.

 

Using the holes the Deck Clamp Patterns were dry fitted. I decided to test fit some of the gangway deck support knees. I soon realised that I had not correctly fitted these parts on my V1 build.

 

Now that I was happy with how the support knees should be installed the Lower Spirketting and Deck Clamp Patterns were coated with a slightly diluted pva glue mix and clamped to the hull, using the pins to ensure the Deck Clamp Patterns were correctly positioned.

 

Front Deck Clamp Pattern clamped in place, with pins used to locate the pattern can be seen

 

The rear Lower Spirketting and Deck Clamp Patterns

 

Tomorrow I will repeat the above process for fitting the right hand side Lower Spirketting and Deck Clamp Patterns, noting I have already run the micro drill through the eyebolts holes so it should be a simple task of applying the glue and clamping each part in turn.

 

When complete I might add a final coat of diluted flat red paint before applying a WOP coat.

 

 

[Glenn-UK]

I have been able to resist my normal "bish bash bosh" building method so far and I am trying to take much more time and care with my V2 build.

 

For the last couple of days I have been fairing the hull. I started this process by using my rotary tool to remove the excess material from vertical gun port strips. It was then a case of using 120 grit sandpaper in conjunction with my Amati Special Cleaner B7140 and florey sanding sticks to  fair the hull. It took quite a bit of effort to sand the areas where the gun port strips crossed the bulkheads smooth, i.e. so there was no laser char.

 

I only broke one of the jig holding ears during the fairing process, as can be seen below (J10)

 

I have tried a few planks around the bow area and as far as I can I have good contact between the planks and bulkheads

 

The stern area

 

I have also fitted the stern cabin bulkhead and stern cabin seat patterns. Although this is not going to be visible once the quarterdeck has been fitted I debated adding some panelling to enhance the stern cabin bulkhead and stern cabin seat but in the end I opted for a WOP coat followed with a walnut paint finish.

 

I then clamped the upper hull side patterns to the hull from midships to stern. I then took the stern fascia panel and added some tape 2mm below the top edge and clamped the fascia panel to  the hull.

 

This needs a slight adjustment as the fascia needs to be raised up a bit on this side.

 

This side also needs a slight adjustment as it is a fraction too high at the moment.

 

I also clamped the upper stern counter to the fascia panel. This will enable me to workout the position of the lower counter pattern. I need to remove some laser char before I can add some pencil marks to indicate the where the lower counter will be positioned.

[Glenn-UK]

The excess material on the inner bulwark gun port openings were trimmed so they are now the same size as the MDF framing. I started with a craft knife to remove the bulk of the excess material and then switched to my needle files to neaten the edges.

 

I have also sanded the stern frame patterns and marked the position of the lower counter pattern, please see my previous post in relation to this.

 

Next up is the fitting of the upper hull side patterns. To start this process both the left and right side patterns were soaked in hot water for 45 mins. The Sphinx hull is looking on with baited breath

 

It was then a simple case of clamping both patterns in position.

 

I will now leave these parts clamped until tomorrow so they have plenty of time to dry out and shrink back down to size. Once I am happy with how these patterns fit they will be glued in place. It will then be time to start the first planking.

[Glenn-UK]

A few weeks ago I added to my tool collection when I ordered 2 sets of Amati clamps from CMB. I spent a couple of hours bending the clamp plates and fitting them to the clips over the weekend as I thought they would be useful when gluing the upper side patterns to the hull

 

 

I had left the soaked upper side patterns clamped to the hull for 24 hours to allow them time to fully dry out. With the patterns still clamped in place I then used a hair dryer to blow hot air on the bow area's. After removing the clamps I was happy with the shaping of the patterns and so the left pattern has now been glued in place. I used an old paint brush to apply the glue to the hull and then carefully positioned the pattern and used several clamps to hold the pattern in place. I will allow time for the glue to cure before moving the clamps and repeating the process for the right hand upper side pattern.

 

A sea of clamps, I think the pattern should be well secured once the glue has had time to cure.

 

Close up of the bow

 

Midships, the Amati clamps are really good for securing the bottom edge

 

The stern area

 

A final shot of all the clamps.

[Glenn-UK]

I started sorting through the 1mm x 650mm by 5mm 1st planking strips this morning, 24 were measured at greater than 1mm thick, 19 were measured at being between 0.9 and 0.99mm thick and the remaining 6 were between 0.8 and 0.89mm thick and 1 measured 0.75mm thick. I also have 11 x 1m x 5mm planking strips from my stock of materials which are greater than 1mm thick. I can plank the hull starting with the either the 0.8 to 0.89mm group (or the > 1mm group) and then move to the 0.9 and 0.99mm group  and finally using the remaining group.

 

Next I removed all the clamps from the upper patterns. It turns out I made a really mess of fitting the upper patterns. It is clear I did not pay as much detail to fitting the patterns as I thought I had. 

 

The right hand pattern look good at the midships which is where I started with the the glue and clamping process.

 

It looks Ok at the stern also, maybe a fraction low at the last gun port opening but that could just be the camera angle

 

Now take a look at the bow. I have no idea how I managed to misalign the pattern. I was convinced I had checked and checked again as the patterns were being clamped, but clearly this was not the case. I do remember releasing the clamps and around the bow at one point as I needed to readjust the position of a couple of them. I assume this is where the error occured.

 

It is not a good look. I then took a closer look at the left hand pattern I noticed it would need shifting both vertically (around the bow) and laterally as a small edge of the right hand edge of the vertical gun port patterns were visible.

 

In the past I would have lived with this error and attempt to cover up the mistake my trimming the gun ports and top edge of the upper patterns. Armed with a jug of warm water, a paint brush and craft knife I decided I should try to remove the upper patterns and start over again. Starting at the bow end I brush copious amount of water into the glued joints and then very gently eased the upper pattern away from the hull using the craft knife blade to break the glue seal. In what seemed like an eternity, but was probably about 15 minutes the left hand upper pattern was successfully removed and no damage done.

 

I repeated the process for the right hand pattern up to the the midships. When test refitting the the released pattern end it  would run true and align around the bow area as designed. That said it is probably going to be much better to remove the right hand pattern. Once the hull has dried out it will require a light sand to remove any remains of the old glue before both patterns can be reattached.

 

[DelF]

Well done Glenn. I always feel better if I put a mistake right rather than bodge it.

 

Btw, I now know why there's a world shortage of clamps - you've cornered the market!

[Blue Ensign]

If before you re-glue the patterns you  pin and use a few clamps to hold the patterns in position you can then run a tape directly below the patterns which will give you the line, and an immediate visual check when you come to glue them in place..

 

B.E.

[Glenn-UK]

25 minutes ago, DelF said:

Well done Glenn. I always feel better if I put a mistake right rather than bodge it.

 

Btw, I now know why there's a world shortage of clamps - you've cornered the market!

Thanks, I do feel better now both patterns have been removed without any damage to the hull or patterns.

[Glenn-UK]

10 minutes ago, Blue Ensign said:

If before you re-glue the patterns you  pin and use a few clamps to hold the patterns in position you can then run a tape directly below the patterns which will give you the line, and an immediate visual check when you come to glue them in place..

 

B.E.

Great advice. I have marked the position and done another trial fit. The left hand pattern has now been glued in place. I have done a few visual checks and everything looks good so far. Rather than starting midships and clamping fore and aft this time I started at the bow and worked my way back.

[Glenn-UK]

Attempt two at fitting the upper side patterns has gone much better.

 

@DelF I have not used all my clamps as I had 20 unused clamps, but I still used quite a few.

 

The bow looks much better, the left hand pattern is perhaps a tad high, but I'm happy with how it looks. The MDF part (sitting proud) can be trimmed. It looks worse on the photo. The left hand pattern is correctly aligned with all the gun ports this time around.

 

Gun port alignment on the left hand side.

[CaptnBirdseye]

1 hour ago, DelF said:

Btw, I now know why there's a world shortage of clamps - you've cornered the market!

You know he might just have a point 😂

I agree Glenn, and to my eyes that looks about spot on 👍

Edited December 14, 2021 by RockinBudgie

[Glenn-UK]

17 minutes ago, RockinBudgie said:

You know he might just have a point 😂

I agree Glenn, and to my eyes that looks about spot on 👍

I am much happier this time around than I was after my first attempt. Should be able to start the 1st planking now.

[mtaylor]

Great that you found and fixed it, Glenn.  I had that same issue but caught it before I applied glue.  Getting certain reference points is a priority as everything after that is affected.   I doft my hat to you on this.

[Glenn-UK]

14 minutes ago, mtaylor said:

Great that you found and fixed it, Glenn.  I had that same issue but caught it before I applied glue.  Getting certain reference points is a priority as everything after that is affected.   I doft my hat to you on this.

Thanks, still baffled how I missed it when I first fitted them.

[mtaylor]

I caught it after the wood dried the next day.  I do remember getting ready to pull off the clamps and looking at the bow for some reason.  The penny then dropped.   As they say..."stuff happens".  

[Glenn-UK]

I have made a start on the first planking today. I took my time with fitting each plank. The first task was to add a chamfer to the top edge of each plank. With the plank held in position I marked the start of the curve required for the bow section. I used my planking bending tool to create the required shape. Next I trimmed the edge of the plank so it was a nice fit at the stem post.

 

With the plank held in place I marked the position of each bulkhead on the plank, and also the bottom edge of the plank on the bulkhead. Next I applied some titebond original to the bulkheads (up to the midpoint) and pinned the plank in place. I then added glue from the mid point to the stern and pinned the plank to the bulkheads.

 

 

The first plank have been fitted to both the right and left hand side

 

The next row of planks have been fitted. There is a slight issue with the upper pattern just below gun port 1 where it is a bit proud. I have a plan to resolve this issue without the need to fill using wood filler.

 

The third row of planks have now been fitted, no tapers required so far.

Edited December 15, 2021 by glennard2523

[mtaylor]

Looking good on the planking.   I  don't think I'd go much further without running a planking fan and checking for the taper.   I think it was around #3 or #4 that I started tapering.   

[Glenn-UK]

31 minutes ago, mtaylor said:

Looking good on the planking.   I  don't think I'd go much further without running a planking fan and checking for the taper.   I think it was around #3 or #4 that I started tapering.   

That is the plan, based on 7 planks per band I am aiming for around 17.5mm to 21mm at the stem post. It will be a case of trial and error before I decide on banding.

[Glenn-UK]

Progress has been slow over the last few days as we have a little chaos merchant staying with us for a few day, our 13 month old granddaughter.

 

I have been able to make some progress with the build and I have now completed the 1st planking in the band 1 area. For the most part it has gone reasonably well, and is without doubt my best attempt at the 1st planking a model. I started tapering the planks after the first 3 planks had been fitted.

 

The stern area does not look brilliant and will require a couple of small filler pieces. The right side is much better

 

The midships is looking good and should not require too much sanding or filler

 

The bow area is looking good (on the left hand side). Again should not require too much sanding or filler to get a nice smooth finish.

 

I have been fitting planks in pairs, left and right and although this will be covered by the 2nd planking it is quite symmetrical.

 

As can been seen I managed to damage a plank on the right hand bow area. I could remove /repair the damage plank and replace with a small replacement piece, but I will probably just use some filler to correct as the 2nd planking will cover up the damaged area

 

The right side looks better midships to stern

 

 

Edited December 22, 2021 by glennard2523

[paul carruthers]

Try soaking the area and use a clamp to bring it back to shape

[Glenn-UK]

It has been a while since my last post. I have been working on finishing the 1st planking which is now complete. My completed planking is not great but it is much improved compared to my 1st planking on my previous models. Of course as this is only a base for the 2nd planking the standard of the 1st planking is not a big issue once hull has been sanded smooth.

 

Picture of right-hand bow, now ready to be sanded smooth

 

Picture of left-hand bow, now ready to be sanded smooth

 

Picture of left-hand side, now ready to be sanded smooth

 

Picture of right-hand side, now ready to be sanded smooth

 

The stern does not look pretty, but will be Ok once sanded smooth. You will note I stopped the planks short of the stern edge so they can be tapered to allow the 2nd planking to sit flush with the stern post and keel.

Edited January 11, 2022 by glennard2523

[Glenn-UK]

I have spent some time sanding the hull smooth after completing the first planking. I am pleased with how the first planking turned out and did not require a great deal of sanding. I also added a solution made up of wood filler, mixed with glue and water to fill some gaps and depressions.

 

I then added the lower stern counter. After soaking the pattern in hot water for 30 minutes the pattern was taped to a tin of custard and left to dry overnight. This resulted in a nicely bent lower counter which was glued into place. I did check that it was correctly positioned after it was glued in place. I was not totally happy with the position when I checked with the upper counter pattern and stern fascia held in place so I carefully removed the lower pattern and readjusted the position. I was happy with the position 2nd time around. I then added a filler / glue mix to fill the gap between the planking and lower stern counter. I have just noticed it is a tad off centre

 

Next I fitted the prow pattern.

 

The lower keel pattern was then glued in place.

 

 

Finally the stern post was glued in place.

 

Next up will be to add the outer patterns to the prow, keel and stern. Progress is slow at the moment but I feel I am making a much better job of this build compared with my V1 build.

Edited January 14, 2022 by glennard2523

[Blue Ensign]

Well done Glenn that looks a fair base to apply the seconds layer. 👍

 

If you feel better about it, you will progress better with it. If you need to take a step backwards, take it.

 

B.E.