Rail and Tie Posted July 28, 2013 Share #1 Posted July 28, 2013 Ahoy All! This is my first build here on MSW. Most of my recent work has been in the model railroad world of structures kits and details, but I thought I would share this prototype build of an upcoming kit that I am designing. The Arrow Lakes Lumber Company commissioned the construction of the CR Lamb in 1907 for $23,000. She was built by G.B. Ward, a boat builder from the Maritimes, working in Kamloops. Constructed with a wooden hull, she was 91 feet long and twenty feet wide, with a draught of four feet. The vessel had two 34 horsepower engines made by the Schaake Machine Works in New Westminster for a gross weight of 192 tons. She spent more than two and a half decades serving the logging company and residents fo the Shuswap Lake before being bought by Captain William Louie. He ran the boat well into the 1930’s providing cargo carriage, passenger services and even moonlight cruises and dances on-board. C.R. Lamb was decommisioned in 1936, her hull filled with gravel and now rests underwater in the Thompson River at the end of 8th Avenue in Kamloops BC. As an interesting aside to the CR Lamb story, Captain Louie who had captained the CR LAMB for 15 years and then bought the CR LAMB and continued service into the 1930's with the boat, was of Chinese decent, but born in Canada. He took a lot of flack from government and press when he forced the Waterways commission to keep the opening span bridge working on the Thompson River long after the government had deemed it not necessary for shipping traffic. He was somewhat of a unspoken legend in these parts, keeping the steamboat working well past its prime of the early teens of the century. He even converted the upper deck of the ship to a dance floor and had bands and parties under the stars on the lake. Wow, that must have been a great time!! I did do up a 1:160 version of the model which is a bit less detailed compared to how this build of the 1:87 version is going. ccoyle 1 Quote Darryl Jacobs Interaction Hobbies "I called to the other men that the sky was clearing, and then a moment later I realized that what I had seen was not a rift in the clouds but the white crest of an enormous wave." Ernest Shackleton www.interactionhobbies.com www.facebook.com/railandtie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmajor Posted July 28, 2013 Share #2 Posted July 28, 2013 (edited) Hello Darryl, This will be an interesting build of a fascinating prototype. The 1:160 model is lovely. I guessed the railway interest from "Rail and Tie" - though in the UK that would be "Rail and Sleeper". Edited July 28, 2013 by ianmajor Quote Ian M. Current build: HMS Unicorn (1748) - Corel Kit Advice from my Grandfather to me. The only people who don't make mistakes are those who stand back and watch. The trick is not to repeat the error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail and Tie Posted July 28, 2013 Author Share #3 Posted July 28, 2013 I will attempt to get things up to speed on where I am at today in the next couple of posts. I designed the model in 3D cad using Rhino which is a great 3D modeling software and fairly easy to learn. This is a waterline model and meant to find its way onto a layout or diorama. I did up a design for the hull using a series of frames and keel strip (s). I cut these out on the laser. Sanding the frames to match the curves for planking. Sanding the top to match the deck. Gluing the 1/16" basswood deck to the top of the hull. Remarkably rigid after this step. aykutansin, mtaylor and ianmajor 3 Quote Darryl Jacobs Interaction Hobbies "I called to the other men that the sky was clearing, and then a moment later I realized that what I had seen was not a rift in the clouds but the white crest of an enormous wave." Ernest Shackleton www.interactionhobbies.com www.facebook.com/railandtie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail and Tie Posted July 28, 2013 Author Share #4 Posted July 28, 2013 Hello Darryl, This will be an interesting build of a fascinating prototype. The 1:160 model is lovely. I guessed the railway interest from "Rail and Tie" - though in the UK that would be "Rail and Sleeper". Thanks Ian, I am glad to be aboard and you guys do some fantastic work!! Once in a while, you hear them called sleepers here as well!! Also timbers... Quote Darryl Jacobs Interaction Hobbies "I called to the other men that the sky was clearing, and then a moment later I realized that what I had seen was not a rift in the clouds but the white crest of an enormous wave." Ernest Shackleton www.interactionhobbies.com www.facebook.com/railandtie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail and Tie Posted July 28, 2013 Author Share #5 Posted July 28, 2013 Aft hull planking with 1/16" X 1/16" basswood. Love these little clothes pins I got from the dollar shop! Messy planking to give the aged and unkept look of the fullsize after 26 years of service and abuse. (please don't be appauled by my sloppy work here!!) Carving down the planking before sanding. Planking is finished!! mtaylor and harvey1847 2 Quote Darryl Jacobs Interaction Hobbies "I called to the other men that the sky was clearing, and then a moment later I realized that what I had seen was not a rift in the clouds but the white crest of an enormous wave." Ernest Shackleton www.interactionhobbies.com www.facebook.com/railandtie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarbrush Posted July 28, 2013 Share #6 Posted July 28, 2013 Hi Darryl, what an interesting vessel! beautiful job on the 1:160 model I look forward to following your build on the 1:87 Quote John future build: to finish Mary Rose http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8507-mary-rose-by-tarbrush-scale-172-1545/?hl=%2Bmary+%2Brose completed builds: Constructo Steam Launch Louise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail and Tie Posted July 28, 2013 Author Share #7 Posted July 28, 2013 To get the hull to have that aged appearance when the boat is complete, I start by applying 5 or 6 coats of an Alcohol India Ink wash until the surface is built up and chalky. This will assure that the paint does not stick in spot on the next steps. Then I dry brush light grey in alternating directions on the hull in very light and dry strokes. Also I dab a slightly wetter brush to build up the paint along the uneven surface of the plank joints. Then using some scotch tape I rub it onto the mostly dry surface and pull back to remove some of the paint to provide a worn and badly in need of repair, rotting hull! The effect is over done somewhat, but the end result when looking from a distance is a ship that has seen service for 30 years of it's 15 year planned life! aykutansin, mtaylor, fnkershner and 4 others 7 Quote Darryl Jacobs Interaction Hobbies "I called to the other men that the sky was clearing, and then a moment later I realized that what I had seen was not a rift in the clouds but the white crest of an enormous wave." Ernest Shackleton www.interactionhobbies.com www.facebook.com/railandtie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail and Tie Posted July 28, 2013 Author Share #8 Posted July 28, 2013 The laser cut and engraved walls are treated much the same way as the hull with a bit more grain enhancement using a fine wire brush between dry brush coats. The colors will be toned down after the building part is complete using washes and chalks. I did up some strap hinges and 3D engraved them along with the ships wheel and some other details. I applied the hinges (all 48 of them to the cargo / steerage doors on the front half of the main deck sides. In the model railroad world many modelers apply nail holes for added detail. I did this to this build while I usually don't do it on buildings as it is over done. I think I like the effect, though it might look over done in this scale. The completed main deck looks pleasing and the added door jams provide another level of interest. I like to design my deck floors/ roofs in to layers to accomodate the tabs needed at each level to lock things together. I was contemplating deck joists and beams, but at this scale and the fact that the exposed area is very small at the end of the day so I elected no to add them. Many of these ships had their decks and roofs in tar paper and painted canvas. I have had problems finding details on how the decks were coated. The main deck of the CR Lamb was planked and painted grey. The upper decks are in question?? The promenade deck is doubled out of Resin Impregnated Fibreboard which is painted first and then laminated to provide crisp paint lines between the layers for window and door frames. The material is rolled to get it to curve using a piece of small round bar. The promenade room carpet is painted deep red and coated with matt varnish dabbed in 4 coats to go dead flat and looks like carpet close up. I'll add some interior walls and detail to this room before putting the roof one it. Will probably light it with LED's as well. Captain Slog, yvesvidal, aykutansin and 4 others 7 Quote Darryl Jacobs Interaction Hobbies "I called to the other men that the sky was clearing, and then a moment later I realized that what I had seen was not a rift in the clouds but the white crest of an enormous wave." Ernest Shackleton www.interactionhobbies.com www.facebook.com/railandtie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st george Posted July 28, 2013 Share #9 Posted July 28, 2013 Darryl, Great looking model in both scales. Quote David Current Build : HMAV Bounty - Amati Next Build : 18th Century Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmajor Posted July 29, 2013 Share #10 Posted July 29, 2013 Darryl, Love it. Your techniques in "distressed" painting are familiar to me through my model railway activities though I have never managed to achieve this standard. Quote Ian M. Current build: HMS Unicorn (1748) - Corel Kit Advice from my Grandfather to me. The only people who don't make mistakes are those who stand back and watch. The trick is not to repeat the error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aykutansin Posted July 30, 2013 Share #11 Posted July 30, 2013 perfect working Quote Aykut Anşin Finished hms triton Current chaloupe-armee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail and Tie Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share #12 Posted July 30, 2013 Thanks for the comments folks. the more I look at this forum, the more I find on modeling tips. I love the woodworking and attention to detail that consumes all here!! I decided to add a bit of detail to the interior of the boat. The parlour room is the most visible so I will add some interior items, chairs and probably some people before I close it up. I will also add some LED lighting to the room and the deck. To install the window glazing, I usually use Canopy cement, but for the parlour windows being curved, I used some double sided tape strips (Scotch brand) to hold the glazing in place and then spotted some glue along the edges after it was installed. Some dividers were added to block light from the rooms. Also seen is the yellow wainscoting that is added to the cabin walls. I will add a chair rail in after the deck is complete. Toilets are completed I made up a kit of simple chairs to add to the parlor room. Painted and decaled back wall of the parlor room, some curtains, table and chairs. I will probably add a pot and some flowers and maybe a floor plant or two before adding a few figures to the room. fnkershner, mtaylor, yvesvidal and 1 other 4 Quote Darryl Jacobs Interaction Hobbies "I called to the other men that the sky was clearing, and then a moment later I realized that what I had seen was not a rift in the clouds but the white crest of an enormous wave." Ernest Shackleton www.interactionhobbies.com www.facebook.com/railandtie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury S Posted July 30, 2013 Share #13 Posted July 30, 2013 Darryl, We can learn a lot from the Model Railroad community. welcome aboard. Maury Quote Current diversion: Anchor Hoy c 1815 - 1825 1:48 scale Recent Builds: Fair American: 18th C. Longboat: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/2284-longboat-18th-c-by-maury-modelshipways-by-chuck/ Echo Cross Section: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/513-echo-cross-section-by-maury/ Emma C. Berry http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/203-emma-c-berry-132-pof-by-maury/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkerryAmp Posted July 30, 2013 Share #14 Posted July 30, 2013 That was some pretty good detail even on the smaller one1 This one is looking really nice! - the weathering is superb! -Adam Quote -Adam Current Builds Santa Maria - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB MayFlower - Model Shipways (5/32"=1') POB Blue Shadow - Mamoli Revolutionary War Brigantine. (Fict) (1:64) POB (Recommissioned as the Kara June) On The Shelf Waiting so Patiently USRC Ranger - Corel (1:50) POB 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways (1:4) POF La Nina - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB U.S Brig Syren - Model Shipways (1:64) POB Completed Builds Phantom NY Pilot Boat - Model Shipways (1:96) Solid Hull Decommissioned Builds (Time and conditions were not good to these. They have been cancelled =( ) Willie L Bennett - Model Shipways (1:32) POF USRC Harriet Lane - Model Shipways (1:128) Solid Hull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted July 31, 2013 Share #15 Posted July 31, 2013 Welcome Darryl, Wow! very nice I love the chairs as well. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted July 31, 2013 Share #16 Posted July 31, 2013 Wonderful work Darryl. Those chairs are incredible. I agree that we shipbuilders could learn a lot from the railroad folks. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail and Tie Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share #17 Posted August 20, 2013 It has been a busy month with the kitting business, so this build is a bit behind. Here is a quick catch up... Parts for the ships bridge and masters quarters. the 3D laser engraved ships wheel Refreshment table and flowers! The crumpets and brandy are being served! Some deck lighting using some micro LED's Seems the blinds were not drawn! mtaylor and yvesvidal 2 Quote Darryl Jacobs Interaction Hobbies "I called to the other men that the sky was clearing, and then a moment later I realized that what I had seen was not a rift in the clouds but the white crest of an enormous wave." Ernest Shackleton www.interactionhobbies.com www.facebook.com/railandtie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail and Tie Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share #18 Posted August 20, 2013 The paddle wheel assembly has 50 parts to it and I am not sure if I will add the 96 bolt heads or not! Paddle axle bearing blocks and support beams Detailing the Tarpaper roofing joints. A view of the LED wiring (my wiring needs some work!!) yvesvidal and mtaylor 2 Quote Darryl Jacobs Interaction Hobbies "I called to the other men that the sky was clearing, and then a moment later I realized that what I had seen was not a rift in the clouds but the white crest of an enormous wave." Ernest Shackleton www.interactionhobbies.com www.facebook.com/railandtie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted August 21, 2013 Share #19 Posted August 21, 2013 Darryl, I just found your build. Very well done. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail and Tie Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share #20 Posted August 23, 2013 Thanks Bob, and all! I have been learning a lot from the builders on this site. Some really fantastic work. I like to learn from other modeling hobbies as it gives on a great perspective on our own hobbies. My problem is that I just like everything that is miniature! Too many models and not enough time! Darryl Captain Slog 1 Quote Darryl Jacobs Interaction Hobbies "I called to the other men that the sky was clearing, and then a moment later I realized that what I had seen was not a rift in the clouds but the white crest of an enormous wave." Ernest Shackleton www.interactionhobbies.com www.facebook.com/railandtie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail and Tie Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share #21 Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) So the next step is doing the passenger deck railings. I designed this model in 3D cad so having the railings cut out as one piece that follows the deck curves was fairly straight forward. The simply fit into the notches in the deck and glue in place. The front railing is a bit more tricky as it needs to be curved by rolling the railing around a radius bar. Also installed the bridge stairs and some benches before closing up the railings. A bit of fitting of the railing and the top rail doubler and getting the curves right. The RIB material is fairly easy to form as compared to wood or plastic. After the railings are installed, a 1/16 X 1/32 strip is wrapped around the top and bottom deck edges to finish the form. I simply soaked the strips in Windex for a few minutes and curved to shape on the decks and clamped to the edge and let dry in place. Then using CA, glued the strips in place. Edited August 23, 2013 by Rail and Tie yvesvidal and mtaylor 2 Quote Darryl Jacobs Interaction Hobbies "I called to the other men that the sky was clearing, and then a moment later I realized that what I had seen was not a rift in the clouds but the white crest of an enormous wave." Ernest Shackleton www.interactionhobbies.com www.facebook.com/railandtie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail and Tie Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share #22 Posted August 23, 2013 Next up is the king and queen posts (I think I got the terms right!): Tension posts are installed at a 10 degree angle to the top deck. These represent the thru beams that would have extended through the decks into the hull. Used a 1/8" dia aluminum tube for the queen post and used some 0.008" Phos Bronze straightened wire for the hanging cables. Pre bent and glued in place with CA Cement. I used some Tichey turnbuckles on the 008 wire and they turned out pretty good on the tension cables. Front deck details added. The smoke stack is built out of a paper cone, and tubing/dowel. The dowel is covered with paper, glued on some stips of paper for strapping and some white glue dots for rivet detail. Magnet wire was used for the stack tiedown wire. This wire is finer than the 008 bronze wire I had so I used that for a size difference. Lots of wires and cabling clutter up the top deck quite nicely. mtaylor 1 Quote Darryl Jacobs Interaction Hobbies "I called to the other men that the sky was clearing, and then a moment later I realized that what I had seen was not a rift in the clouds but the white crest of an enormous wave." Ernest Shackleton www.interactionhobbies.com www.facebook.com/railandtie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail and Tie Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share #23 Posted August 23, 2013 I designed up and had some detail parts 3D printed. the service I use uses an OBjet 30 printer that gives excellent resolution and surface finish. I did up the lifeboats, liferings, searchlight and Capstan. (also seen is the same parts in N Scale) I glued some tissue paper over the top of the boat to represent a canvas cover. Then using some Matt Medium painted over the tissue, it shrinks the tissue as it dries to tighen the canvas. I also added some grab ropes along the gunwales of the lifeboats. The liferings and 3D printed parts have sprues to be trimmed after painting. The Davits for the lifeboats are bent from 1/16 aluminum tubing. yvesvidal and mtaylor 2 Quote Darryl Jacobs Interaction Hobbies "I called to the other men that the sky was clearing, and then a moment later I realized that what I had seen was not a rift in the clouds but the white crest of an enormous wave." Ernest Shackleton www.interactionhobbies.com www.facebook.com/railandtie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted August 24, 2013 Share #24 Posted August 24, 2013 Great detail. I like your use of the 3D printer. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail and Tie Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share #25 Posted August 25, 2013 Thanks Cap'n Bob, I am liking the 3D printing thing more and more and the detail is getting very good. Well, I am calling the build almost done and I have to get ready for the 33rd Narrow Gauge Conference in Pasadena next week. We are releasing this one as a kit for October. I still have the marker LED's to put in and rig the davits for the lifeboats, but here are some shots of the mostly completed ship. Cheers! Darryl Dubz, dvm27, Adrieke and 9 others 12 Quote Darryl Jacobs Interaction Hobbies "I called to the other men that the sky was clearing, and then a moment later I realized that what I had seen was not a rift in the clouds but the white crest of an enormous wave." Ernest Shackleton www.interactionhobbies.com www.facebook.com/railandtie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted August 25, 2013 Share #26 Posted August 25, 2013 Sweet!!!! Nicely weathered too. Are you taking this with you to the conference? Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail and Tie Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share #27 Posted August 25, 2013 Sweet!!!! Nicely weathered too. Are you taking this with you to the conference? Hi Mark, Yes this will be travelling with me as Carry On luggage!! This is the first conference that we are flying to so we will see what the ramp rats can do to our cargo of other buildings for our booth!! The Show is at the Hilton in Pasadena from Wednesday evening to Saturday noon. 33rd Annual Narrow Gauge Conference Cheers! Darryl Quote Darryl Jacobs Interaction Hobbies "I called to the other men that the sky was clearing, and then a moment later I realized that what I had seen was not a rift in the clouds but the white crest of an enormous wave." Ernest Shackleton www.interactionhobbies.com www.facebook.com/railandtie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted August 25, 2013 Share #28 Posted August 25, 2013 The C R Lamb makes a fine little packet riverboat. Nicely done. Good luck at the conference. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keelhauled Posted September 23, 2013 Share #29 Posted September 23, 2013 Great build. The weathering finish is great and the interior details are very cool! Thanks for sharing Marc Quote Currently building the Cutty Sark http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1000-cutty-sark-by-keelhauled-mantua-kit-bashed-first-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the learner Posted September 24, 2013 Share #30 Posted September 24, 2013 Great detail! fantastic build. Quote Cheers, GuyThe LearnerCurrent Member NRG,SMA Current Build: HMS Triton 1:48 on line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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