Dr PR Posted November 12, 2023 Share #151 Posted November 12, 2023 John, I did the same "last minute" review of deck fittings and belaying points prior to starting rigging - and like you I found a bunch of things I overlooked! And I found an error in my belaying plan that just happened to use the last two unused belaying pins on the fore mast fife rail. Still, I'm pretty sure I will discover yet another missing belaying point before I am done! I have had spotty results with Brass Black also. I wash with soapy (dish soap) water and rinse after soldering to remove water soluble flux. Then I wash with acetone to remove any resin flux, oils, etc. After that I clean/etch with white vinegar (dilute acetic acid) for a while, then wash again to remove the vinegar. Still I have had spots that just didn't blacken. However, a good scrubbing with the wire brush seems to improve the blackening. I suspect the irregular results may be varying hardness due to annealing the brass while working it and heating with soldering. This might cause the different parts of the metal to react at different rates to the Brass Black. Brushing cleans oxides off and removes excess solder and whatever else is on the metal surface, and it gives the surface a but of "tooth." I also use flat black enamel paint to touch up spots (Model Master Flat Black FS37038). John Ruy and GGibson 2 Quote Phil Current build: https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/19611-albatros-by-dr-pr-mantua-scale-140-about-1815/&tab=comments#comment-601276 Previous build: https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/19321-uss-oklahoma-city-clg-5-1971-3d-cad-model/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGibson Posted November 12, 2023 Share #152 Posted November 12, 2023 Good looking out, pre-rigging, John! Always nice to spot those items now rather than a "how am I going to get that in there now?" moment later! Already found a few of those on mine as I progress but will do the same check when I get to your point in the build, as well. Looking forward to watching your rigging success. John Ruy 1 Quote Gregg Current Projects: Completed Projects: Waiting for Shipyard Clearance: Bluenose 1921 1:64 - Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 - Model Shipways Yacht America Schooner 1851 1:64 - Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack 1:24 - Model Shipways RMS Titanic 1:300 - OcCre (Couldn't help myself when it was on sale) H.M. Schooner Ballahoo 1:64 - Caldercraft USS Constitution 1:76 - Model Shipways Santa Maria Caravelle 1:48 - Ships of Pavel Nikitin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted November 12, 2023 Share #153 Posted November 12, 2023 Yes - the Santa Claus approach (making a list and checking it twice) is to be advised at this point - I definitely found that I'd missed a couple of things that it would have been better to add earlier at this stage - the rig is shaping up for you now, though John! Looks great - can't wait to see the next phase hamilton John Ruy and GGibson 1 1 Quote current builds: Corel HMS Bellona (1780); Admiralty models Echo cross-section (semi-scratch) previous builds: MS Phantom (scuttled, 2017); MS Sultana (1767); Corel Brittany Sloop (scuttled, 2022); MS Kate Cory; MS Armed Virginia Sloop (in need of a refit); Corel Flattie; Mamoli Gretel; Amati Bluenose (1921) (scuttled, 2023); AL San Francisco (destroyed by land krakens [i.e., cats]); Corel Toulonnaise (1823); MS Glad Tidings (1937) (in need of a refit); HMS Blandford (1719) from Corel HMS Greyhound; Fair Rosamund (1832) from OcCre Dos Amigos (missing in action); Amati Hannah (ship in a bottle); Mamoli America (1851); Bluenose fishing schooner (1921) (scratch); Off-Centre Sailing Skiff (scratch) under the bench: MS Emma C Barry; MS USS Constitution; MS Flying Fish; Corel Berlin; a wood supplier Colonial Schooner Hannah; Victory Models H.M.S. Fly; CAF Models HMS Granado; MS USS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ruy Posted November 12, 2023 Author Share #154 Posted November 12, 2023 9 hours ago, Dr PR said: I also use flat black enamel paint to touch up spots (Model Master Flat Black FS37038). Thanks Phil, I have found your suggestion of wire brushing with the dremel tool and a rinse in acetone has improved my blackening process. I did discover that an over stay in the blackening solution actually scales the black off the brass and copper. 10-15 seconds after a good bath in Acetone has produced good results for me. John Glen McGuire 1 Quote Gallery Photos of My Charles W Morgan Currently working on New Bedford Whale Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhermann Posted November 12, 2023 Share #155 Posted November 12, 2023 Now I'm going to have to review my miscellaneous rigging hardware placement. I am sure I missed the eyes between the shrouds, and some of the other details may be a bit week. A great reminder to keep checking everything! Bob John Ruy 1 Quote Current build -- MS Bluenose Future build - MS Flying Fish "A ship is safe in harbor, but that's not what ships are for." - William G. T. Shedd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ruy Posted November 22, 2023 Author Share #156 Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) Booms and Gaffs… Dowels cut to length… Lots of sanding needed to shape the dowels. Note from instructions: Spar tapers: Fishing schooners are a little different from other ships. Notice on the plans that the forward side of masts, lower side of gaffs and bowsprit, and top side of booms is a straight line. This is done to better match the sail or position mast hoops. All other faces are tapered. To avoid confusion, identify the straight side on each spar with a pencil mark at both ends. Taper the dowel with a file. Or, lightly slice it with a hobby blade or small plane, then sand to its final shape. Using a lathe or electric drill to taper these dowels doesn’t work due to the straight edge. Close enough… Rinse and repeat for the remaining Booms and Gaffs. Booms and Gaffs all shaped to specification and ready for Details. Main Boom Details… Main Boom Jaws Boom Tackle Band Rope Eye for Lazy Jack Line Quarter Lift Band Main Sheet Band Sheaves for Topping Lift Topping Lift Band Clew Band Main Boom Complete 1 of 5 Booms and Gaffs done… Cheers 🍻 Edited November 22, 2023 by John Ruy Papa, Cathead, LegoKing5522 and 8 others 10 1 Quote Gallery Photos of My Charles W Morgan Currently working on New Bedford Whale Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGibson Posted November 22, 2023 Share #157 Posted November 22, 2023 Looking great, John! Still totally envious of your superb soldering work! I am going to try a different soldering method when I get to that point, Hope I do as well as you! I'm finishing my dories and waiting on a few things, so have just started trying to shape my bowsprit. Good to see your mast shaping, as well! Great job! Carry on! ERS Rich, Glen McGuire and John Ruy 2 1 Quote Gregg Current Projects: Completed Projects: Waiting for Shipyard Clearance: Bluenose 1921 1:64 - Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 - Model Shipways Yacht America Schooner 1851 1:64 - Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack 1:24 - Model Shipways RMS Titanic 1:300 - OcCre (Couldn't help myself when it was on sale) H.M. Schooner Ballahoo 1:64 - Caldercraft USS Constitution 1:76 - Model Shipways Santa Maria Caravelle 1:48 - Ships of Pavel Nikitin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ruy Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share #158 Posted November 30, 2023 Main Gaff… Main Gaff completed… Fore Boom… I cut thin strips of brass, these Eye Bands are the smallest thus far. Fore Boom completed. Fore Gaff… Fore Gaff Jaws Peak Halliards Bands soldered Bands blackened Fore Gaff completed Jib Boom… Jib Clew Band Jib Sheet Band Cleaning up solder All bands blackened Hardware complete on Jib Boom Jib Boom completed All 5 Booms and Gaffs completed I think we are ready to start rigging and sails. Woo Hoo! 🍻 GGibson, Tom E, Glen McGuire and 10 others 13 Quote Gallery Photos of My Charles W Morgan Currently working on New Bedford Whale Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGibson Posted December 1, 2023 Share #159 Posted December 1, 2023 Masts and fittings are looking great, John! Great work. Wish I would do as well on soldering. Guess it's sorta like the "how do you get to Carnegie Hall?" question... Practice, practice, practice... Carry on, sir! 👍🏆 Glen McGuire and John Ruy 1 1 Quote Gregg Current Projects: Completed Projects: Waiting for Shipyard Clearance: Bluenose 1921 1:64 - Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 - Model Shipways Yacht America Schooner 1851 1:64 - Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack 1:24 - Model Shipways RMS Titanic 1:300 - OcCre (Couldn't help myself when it was on sale) H.M. Schooner Ballahoo 1:64 - Caldercraft USS Constitution 1:76 - Model Shipways Santa Maria Caravelle 1:48 - Ships of Pavel Nikitin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ruy Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share #160 Posted December 1, 2023 24 minutes ago, GGibson said: Masts and fittings are looking great, John! Great work. Wish I would do as well on soldering. Guess it's sorta like the "how do you get to Carnegie Hall?" question... Practice, practice, practice... Carry on, sir! 👍🏆 Thanks Greg, add patience and attention to detail. 😆 I’m still learning new technique every day. You can do it. 👍 Glen McGuire and GGibson 2 Quote Gallery Photos of My Charles W Morgan Currently working on New Bedford Whale Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Posted December 1, 2023 Share #161 Posted December 1, 2023 fantastic metal work and attention to detail. Glen McGuire, John Ruy and GGibson 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted December 1, 2023 Share #162 Posted December 1, 2023 Great progress John! hamilton GGibson, Glen McGuire and John Ruy 2 1 Quote current builds: Corel HMS Bellona (1780); Admiralty models Echo cross-section (semi-scratch) previous builds: MS Phantom (scuttled, 2017); MS Sultana (1767); Corel Brittany Sloop (scuttled, 2022); MS Kate Cory; MS Armed Virginia Sloop (in need of a refit); Corel Flattie; Mamoli Gretel; Amati Bluenose (1921) (scuttled, 2023); AL San Francisco (destroyed by land krakens [i.e., cats]); Corel Toulonnaise (1823); MS Glad Tidings (1937) (in need of a refit); HMS Blandford (1719) from Corel HMS Greyhound; Fair Rosamund (1832) from OcCre Dos Amigos (missing in action); Amati Hannah (ship in a bottle); Mamoli America (1851); Bluenose fishing schooner (1921) (scratch); Off-Centre Sailing Skiff (scratch) under the bench: MS Emma C Barry; MS USS Constitution; MS Flying Fish; Corel Berlin; a wood supplier Colonial Schooner Hannah; Victory Models H.M.S. Fly; CAF Models HMS Granado; MS USS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ruy Posted December 11, 2023 Author Share #163 Posted December 11, 2023 (edited) Main Top Mast Futtock Shrouds… Main Upper Shrouds… Lanyards… Main Upper Shroud Rat Lines… Oops 😬 This is what happens when your vice is not mounted. Reached for my coffee and found my Main Mast on the floor. Certainly a panic moment, but a little CA glue and it’s like it never happened…. Adding ties to the Mast Hoops to tie down the sails latter. Links for hanging Blocks… Stroping Peak Halliard Blocks… Onwards… Cheers 🍻 Edited December 12, 2023 by John Ruy KurtH, Fubarelf, gsdpic and 5 others 8 Quote Gallery Photos of My Charles W Morgan Currently working on New Bedford Whale Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fubarelf Posted December 11, 2023 Share #164 Posted December 11, 2023 10 hours ago, John Ruy said: Main Top Mast Futtock Shrouds… Main Upper Shrouds… Lanyards… Main Upper Shroud Rat Lines… Oops 😬 This is what happens when your vice is not mounted. Reached for my coffee and found my Main Mast on the floor. Certainly a panic moment, but a little CA glue and it’s like it never happened…. Adding ties to the Mast Hoops to tie down the sails latter. Links for hanging Blocks… Striping Peak Halliard Blocks… Onwards… Cheers 🍻 Looking good, John! I broke one of the cross trees as well when I pulled the shroud too tight ☹️. I should have added the blocks, like you did, before I mounted the masts. -Tim John Ruy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ruy Posted December 15, 2023 Author Share #165 Posted December 15, 2023 (edited) Lower Shrouds Main Mast… Shrouds over Main Mast… Seize Shrouds with series of half hitch knots alternating outside and in. Six knots… Slide up to proper height, repeat other side. Laser cut Deadeyes need grove filed for shroud to attach. Seize Shroud with waxed thread. Do not glue until length is adjusted. Home made wire jig adjusted to 15mm between deadeyes. Hate it when this happens. Let’s hope there are extras. 😬 Lower Shroud Upper Deadeyes Seized and glued in place. Thread lanyards through deadeys. Be sure to maintain proper tautness and centered mast. Easier said than done. Glue these Seized Shrouds so they do not come unraveled. First two Lower Shrouds completed. Cheers 🍻 Edited December 15, 2023 by John Ruy bhermann, GGibson, Knocklouder and 3 others 4 2 Quote Gallery Photos of My Charles W Morgan Currently working on New Bedford Whale Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGibson Posted December 15, 2023 Share #166 Posted December 15, 2023 Looking very good, John! Wow, you must have had the lines pretty taut for a deadeye to snap like that! Awesome work, though! Will be referring to all of this when I get this far.... someday! Carry on! John Ruy and Glen McGuire 2 Quote Gregg Current Projects: Completed Projects: Waiting for Shipyard Clearance: Bluenose 1921 1:64 - Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 - Model Shipways Yacht America Schooner 1851 1:64 - Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack 1:24 - Model Shipways RMS Titanic 1:300 - OcCre (Couldn't help myself when it was on sale) H.M. Schooner Ballahoo 1:64 - Caldercraft USS Constitution 1:76 - Model Shipways Santa Maria Caravelle 1:48 - Ships of Pavel Nikitin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ruy Posted December 15, 2023 Author Share #167 Posted December 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, GGibson said: Wow, you must have had the lines pretty taut for a deadeye to snap like that! Thanks Greg… Not tight at all. I May have cracked it with a reamer, cleaning the holes. I just hope I have an extra, it would not be fun making one from scratch. 😬 John GGibson and Glen McGuire 2 Quote Gallery Photos of My Charles W Morgan Currently working on New Bedford Whale Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr PR Posted December 15, 2023 Share #168 Posted December 15, 2023 Ouch! And ouch again!! I definitely would have had a panic moment when the crosstree broke! In previous builds I breathed a sign of relief when all the lower shrouds were in, the masts were vertical, and the upper deadeyes all lined up evenly spaced. John Ruy and Glen McGuire 2 Quote Phil Current build: https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/19611-albatros-by-dr-pr-mantua-scale-140-about-1815/&tab=comments#comment-601276 Previous build: https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/19321-uss-oklahoma-city-clg-5-1971-3d-cad-model/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ruy Posted December 16, 2023 Author Share #169 Posted December 16, 2023 Setting the Main Mast… I came across this Discussion on Stepping the mast. Many thanks to @HardeeHarHar for starting this thread, it was perfect timing for my next task. Many good ideas, from which I devised the following process. On my last couple of builds I have avoided glueing the mast when first step them. Two things here: 1-The mast can be removed to work on the details and 2- It allows the Plumb and Rake of each mast to be set by the rigging. The following process is my take away from our discussions. Using a Protractor I determined the rake of the mast. I then measured the distances to the mast from the edge of the drawing ✍️ I then verified my build board to be level. I used wedges under my base to compensate for the mounting. I hung a home made Plumb Bob from the Throat Halliard Eye to the aft of the Trestle Tree. Compensated the 4mm distance at the top. I used two temporary stays to adjust the rake and adjusted the port and starboard shrouds for the Plumb. Main Mast is now set to add stays and Shrouds. The only thing I would do different is set the Fore Mast first. I’ll have to that before adding the permanent Main Stays. Cheers 🍻 DanB, Fubarelf, Glen McGuire and 6 others 9 Quote Gallery Photos of My Charles W Morgan Currently working on New Bedford Whale Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ruy Posted December 18, 2023 Author Share #170 Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) Setting the Fore Mast… Before setting the Fore Mast, I will complete some additional details while I can work with the mast unmounted. Spreader Lifts… Lanyards… Ratlines… Completed Topmast fittings… Setting mast 1% rake with Plumb Bob with temporary stays. Now ready to complete Lower Shrouds with temporary Stays in place. Cheers 🍻 Edited December 18, 2023 by John Ruy KurtH, Cathead, GGibson and 3 others 5 1 Quote Gallery Photos of My Charles W Morgan Currently working on New Bedford Whale Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsdpic Posted December 18, 2023 Share #171 Posted December 18, 2023 Looking good! A lot of careful work here with protractors, levels, plumb bobs. I'm more of an eyeball it and that's close enough type. And seems like a wise move to add the lines to the mast hoops ahead of time, should make attaching sails easier. But it seems you only did that on the main mast. Is there a reason or did you just not think of that idea in time for the fore mast? Glen McGuire and John Ruy 2 Quote - Gary Current Build: Artesania Latina Sopwith Camel Completed Builds: Blue Jacket America 1/48th Annapolis Wherry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ruy Posted December 18, 2023 Author Share #172 Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, gsdpic said: But it seems you only did that on the main mast. Is there a reason or did you just not think of that idea in time for the fore mast? No, I forgot to tie those on just now. Didn’t notice until you said something. 😬 It’s a lot easier, I’m glad you noticed before I started the shrouds. All I’ll need to do is pull the temporary shrouds and lift the mast to finish up the ties. Another reason for not glue the masts in place. Thanks for noticing… BTW… Yes it seems like a lot, but it makes the eyeballing 👁️ feel better. LOL 😆 John Edited December 18, 2023 by John Ruy gsdpic, bhermann, Cathead and 1 other 4 Quote Gallery Photos of My Charles W Morgan Currently working on New Bedford Whale Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ruy Posted December 18, 2023 Author Share #173 Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) Re-setting the Fore Mast… Brought the Mast back for adding those ties to the mast hoops. Found a few more blocks (5 to be exact) to be hung. Easier to do the now. 😎 Ok… Fore Mast has been set yet again, now I can start on the shrouds. Cheers 🍻 Edited December 19, 2023 by John Ruy Glen McGuire, gsdpic, GGibson and 4 others 7 Quote Gallery Photos of My Charles W Morgan Currently working on New Bedford Whale Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ruy Posted December 28, 2023 Author Share #174 Posted December 28, 2023 Fore Mast Shrouds continued… On to the Main Shrouds… Cheers 🍻 Glen McGuire, Knocklouder, ERS Rich and 8 others 9 2 Quote Gallery Photos of My Charles W Morgan Currently working on New Bedford Whale Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_Grant Posted December 28, 2023 Share #175 Posted December 28, 2023 Beautiful job! I like your soldered deadeye spacers. Happy New Year! Glen McGuire and John Ruy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ruy Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share #176 Posted December 29, 2023 23 hours ago, Ian_Grant said: Beautiful job! I like your soldered deadeye spacers. Happy New Year! Yep, right out of the MS instructions. Note: They are adjustable. 😆 I set these for 15mm. Thanks Ian… bhermann, Ian_Grant, Glen McGuire and 2 others 5 Quote Gallery Photos of My Charles W Morgan Currently working on New Bedford Whale Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ruy Posted January 3 Author Share #177 Posted January 3 Lower and Topmast Shrouds complete… Cheers 🍻 LegoKing5522, Cathead, KurtH and 4 others 6 1 Quote Gallery Photos of My Charles W Morgan Currently working on New Bedford Whale Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knocklouder Posted January 3 Share #178 Posted January 3 Very nice work my friend, Happy New Year!!!! Glen McGuire and John Ruy 1 1 Quote Start so you can Finish !! Finished: The Santa Maria -Amati 1:65, La Pinta- Amati 1:65, La Nina -Amati 1:65 , Hannah Ship in a Bottle -1:300 The Sea of Galilee Boat-Scott Miller-1:20 ,The Mayflower Amati 1:60 non Ship Build: 1972 Ford Sport Custom Truck Current Build: Viking Ship Drakkar -Amati-1:50 On Hold: HMS Pegasus: Amati Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ruy Posted January 3 Author Share #179 Posted January 3 15 minutes ago, Knocklouder said: Very nice work my friend, Happy New Year!!!! Thanks Bob, and a Happy New Year to you. It’s good to get back to a regular schedule and a fresh start in the Shipyard after the holidays. Have a great 2024… Cheers 🍻 Glen McGuire 1 Quote Gallery Photos of My Charles W Morgan Currently working on New Bedford Whale Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGibson Posted January 3 Share #180 Posted January 3 Looks really nice, John! John Ruy and Glen McGuire 1 1 Quote Gregg Current Projects: Completed Projects: Waiting for Shipyard Clearance: Bluenose 1921 1:64 - Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 - Model Shipways Yacht America Schooner 1851 1:64 - Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack 1:24 - Model Shipways RMS Titanic 1:300 - OcCre (Couldn't help myself when it was on sale) H.M. Schooner Ballahoo 1:64 - Caldercraft USS Constitution 1:76 - Model Shipways Santa Maria Caravelle 1:48 - Ships of Pavel Nikitin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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