michael mott Posted April 24, 2017 Author #1321 Posted April 24, 2017 7 hours ago, KeithAug said: Soft solder I assume? Hi Keith yes it is soft solder done with the hot air soldering gun. Thanks ,John, Nils , Igor I am going to see how turning up a pair of cast iron balls works today. Michael Mirabell61, IgorSky, cog and 5 others 8 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
druxey Posted April 24, 2017 #1322 Posted April 24, 2017 Oooh, nice! Also love the adjustable spanner (wrench) that you made lo those many years ago. Do I assume that the compass will work when completed? Otherwise you might just use brass for the balls (adolescent snigger). Piet, Jack12477, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
michael mott Posted April 25, 2017 Author #1323 Posted April 25, 2017 7 hours ago, druxey said: Do I assume that the compass will work when completed? Otherwise you might just use brass for the balls Hi Druxey yes the compass will be fully operational. I spent some time this morning making some soft iron balls They turned out well but are way to small for the scale I am working in as i was doing this I realized that I did not fully understand the mechanism for the balls or how they worked. To be clear on the function of the soft iron Balls. I read a number of articles about binnacles and found the technical stuff surprisingly hard to find. This one was one of the better ones and also a child's article on making a compass has led me to rework the innermost parts of my own. This picture shows the parts of the compass I have made and also the tiny parts from a ridiculous pocket knife compass that showed the alignment of the pocket knife and nothing else. The pocket knife compass though has a one piece that will be able to replace the huge brass mass with the rare earth magnets. The cup hanging inside the gimbals will need a bit of modification to hold the black cup and compass base. I will make a new card to fit over the compass in the black cup, and rework the brass cup to have a needle for the new compass instead of the black plastic cup. The other thing that will need to be done is a cover that will prevent the new compass from lifting off the pin, there is enough meat in the brass cup to drill and tap some holes for retaining screws on a 1/32 plexiglass cover. The soft iron balls will no doubt wind up in the spare stuff tray. Looks like a bit of lathe work is in order. Michael IgorSky, PeteB, shipmodel and 14 others 17 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
realworkingsailor Posted April 25, 2017 #1324 Posted April 25, 2017 Very nice compass! The purpose of the iron spheres is to help mitigate the effects of an iron hull on the magnetic compass. There should also be a vertical iron rod (the flinders bar) to offset that component of the magnetic field. I hate to break it to you, but since your hull is wood, I doubt that your compass would have been fitted with those extras, they would do more harm than good. Andy Piet, Omega1234, mtaylor and 6 others 9 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy
michael mott Posted April 25, 2017 Author #1325 Posted April 25, 2017 Hi Andy great to hear from you. 32 minutes ago, realworkingsailor said: I hate to break it to you, but since your hull is wood, I doubt that your compass would have been fitted with those extras, they would do more harm than good. Andy this is the conclusion that I came to after all my reading today. So they will not be installed and as I noted in the last post I just edited. However I think I will have a better gimballed compass at the end of the day as a result. Michael Jack12477, cog, Omega1234 and 7 others 10 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
shipmodel Posted April 25, 2017 #1326 Posted April 25, 2017 14 minutes ago, michael mott said: However I think I will have a better gimballed compass at the end of the day as a result. Michael - I was going to say that your work on the binnacle is superb. But if you are going to end up with a better one, I will hold off for now. I am in danger of running out of superlatives. Superb, nonetheless. Dan Piet, mtaylor, druxey and 7 others 10 Quote Current build -Khufu solar barge, c. 2,560 BCE, a cross-section model at 1:10 scale Prior scratch builds - Royal yacht Henrietta, USS Monitor, USS Maine, HMS Pelican, SS America, SS Rex, SS Uruguay, Viking knarr, Gokstad ship, Thames River Skiff , USS Oneida, Swan 42 racing yacht, Queen Anne's Revenge (1710), SS Andrea Doria (1952), SS Michelangelo (1962) , Queen Anne's Revenge (2nd model) USS/SS Leviathan (1914), James B Colgate (1892), POW bone model (circa 1800) restoration, SS Mayaguez (c.1975) Prior kit builds - AL Dallas, Mamoli Bounty. Bluejacket America, North River Diligence, Airfix Sovereign of the Seas "Take big bites. Moderation is for monks." Robert A. Heinlein
michael mott Posted April 25, 2017 Author #1327 Posted April 25, 2017 Hi Dan thanks for the kind words. This evening I reduced the depth of the inner cup and machined a new insert it is drilled through with a .6mm hole at the top and threaded 1/4 inch deep x 8/32 thread on the bottom. This allows the needle to be adjusted up or down, the needle is in fact the end of the 8/32 screw machined down and honed to a point to hold the compass. The magnetic part placed on the pin I tested the pivoting by bringing a pair of metal tweezers up to the compass and the needle swung to them Next to find the print that I made for the compass and mount it on the metal magnetic part. Also the plexiglass cover. Michael hexnut, Mirabell61, cog and 15 others 18 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
realworkingsailor Posted April 25, 2017 #1328 Posted April 25, 2017 Prototypically, the bowl of the compass should be filled with mineral spirits to dampen the movement of the card. May be worth trying, you could probably get a similar effect with rubbing alcohol. No air bubbles allowed! Andy druxey, Piet, Omega1234 and 5 others 8 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy
BANYAN Posted April 25, 2017 #1329 Posted April 25, 2017 Hi Michael, how disappointed I am that I found this build too late I will need to take some time to read back through. That compass is a work(ing) of art; a model in itself. Very much enjoyed seeing how you did this. cheers Pat Piet, Jack12477, michael mott and 5 others 8 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
michael mott Posted April 25, 2017 Author #1330 Posted April 25, 2017 3 hours ago, realworkingsailor said: Prototypically, the bowl of the compass should be filled with mineral spirits to dampen the movement of the card. May be worth trying, you could probably get a similar effect with rubbing alcohol. No air bubbles allowed! Andy this has crossed my mind, it would entail sorting a couple of things out, not the least of which would be testing the printed card for deterioration in the oil or spirit. also I would need to seal a few spots to prevent leakage, eliminating the air is not a problem. I shall consider my options on this one..... Michael cog, realworkingsailor, BANYAN and 6 others 9 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
popeye the sailor Posted April 25, 2017 #1331 Posted April 25, 2017 good to see your back in the workshop very nice work on the compass......your metal working skills are amazing. Omega1234, Piet, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch
Elmer Cornish Posted April 25, 2017 #1332 Posted April 25, 2017 hello micheal , my eye's not deceiving me, that's a working gimble the ships compass is mounted on! is there nothing you cant do??? Jack12477, Omega1234, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote
Piet Posted April 26, 2017 #1333 Posted April 26, 2017 Beautiful work Michael. Your tools reminds me of my own machinist training - a long time ago. Nostalgia is setting in ;-) Cheers, mtaylor, Jack12477, Omega1234 and 2 others 5 Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum)
michael mott Posted April 26, 2017 Author #1334 Posted April 26, 2017 Denis , Elmer , and Piet thanks for the kind remarks. Did a bit more work cleaning up the compass and made the cover from some 1/32 plexiglass. The bolts are some modified 00x90 1/4 in long hex bolts. After cutting them to length and polishing the threaded end they were held in the pin chuck to reduce the hight of the head and to round it up a bit. All the gimbal rings were given a final sanding with some 1200 grit wet and dry. and fitted back into the copper dome. Michael Piet, hexnut, BANYAN and 18 others 21 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
Mark Pearse Posted April 26, 2017 #1335 Posted April 26, 2017 Hi Michael - what's the technique fro drilling acrylic sheet without cracking it? Mark Jack12477, Piet, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote completed 1:12 28' Ranger type yacht, scratch build - COMPLETED 1:12 20' 1930 open sailing boat, half model, scratch built - COMPLETED 1:12 24' Ranger type yacht, scratch build
michael mott Posted April 26, 2017 Author #1336 Posted April 26, 2017 Hi Mark To make the front edge of the drill a scraper similar to a bit for brass. Michael Mark Pearse, Jack12477, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
BANYAN Posted April 26, 2017 #1337 Posted April 26, 2017 That is simply stunning work; what is the size (diameter) of the compass card Michael? cheers Pat mtaylor, Jack12477, Piet and 2 others 5 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
michael mott Posted April 26, 2017 Author #1338 Posted April 26, 2017 Hi Pat, the card is 14mm or 35/64, the card rotates very nicely. I printed it up on photo paper and then coated it with CA glue. The Plexiglas was very old I had it left over from my Architectural model building days so since 1984, the trick with removing the protective paper on old Plexiglas is to warm it up with a hot air gun. The paper then comes off as if it were a new sheet. Michael Omega1234, Piet, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
BANYAN Posted April 26, 2017 #1339 Posted April 26, 2017 Thanks Michael, that is awfully good work at that scale. Great trick to remember for the paper too - thanks cheers Pat mtaylor, popeye the sailor, Jack12477 and 3 others 6 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
cog Posted April 26, 2017 #1340 Posted April 26, 2017 Magnificent work, Michael ... I've been sitting at my screen waiting for each new step, to enjoy all the marvelous details you create, and am flabbergasted with the result Jack12477, popeye the sailor, Piet and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
michael mott Posted April 27, 2017 Author #1341 Posted April 27, 2017 Thanks for the kind words Carl, thanks also to all of you who have been visiting. In between the hockey periods I did a little work on the companionway, and lowered the side walls by 1/2 inch 4 inches in scale which leaves them at 17 inches at the aft end and 13 1/2 inches at the forward end. I'm good with that. I will shorten the hatch about 3 inches shorten the sidewalls length by 4 inches to make them 48 long and add a couple of round ports in them. Michael dvm27, Bedford, archjofo and 17 others 20 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
popeye the sailor Posted April 27, 2017 #1342 Posted April 27, 2017 the hatch looks good.......and some amazing work on the compass. very nice cog, mtaylor, Jack12477 and 2 others 5 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch
KeithAug Posted April 27, 2017 #1343 Posted April 27, 2017 Michael - I have had problems in the past bolting directly on to perspex. After a while I noticed small cracks starting to grow from the bolt holes. I cured it by using rubber grommets to line the holes (slightly wider than the perspex thickness). It may be that I had a bad experience and you will get away with it. Excellent work as always. Omega1234, cog, Piet and 3 others 6 Quote Keith Current Build:- Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24 Previous Builds:- Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/ Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702 J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029 Other Topics Nautical Adventures http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846
Omega1234 Posted April 27, 2017 #1344 Posted April 27, 2017 Hi Michael Two words: simply outstanding!!! Cheers Patrick Jack12477, IgorSky, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora
michael mott Posted May 3, 2017 Author #1345 Posted May 3, 2017 On 4/27/2017 at 3:59 PM, KeithAug said: I have had problems in the past bolting directly on to perspex. After a while I noticed small cracks starting to grow from the bolt holes. Hi Keith I have not had this problem in all the years I have worked with plex, perhaps it has something to do with the types of Plex, I prefer to use the Cell Cast type and not the extruded type. First I bored out a piece of 7/8ths with a half inch drill Then using a brand new tool bit which I ground from some 5/16 HSS steel, I was pleased that I was able to take a single depth of cut of .125" for a distance .312" which is the thicknes of the side walls of the cabin. The first three porthole shells still a lot of work to do but it feels good to make some progress. Michael archjofo, kees de mol, IgorSky and 18 others 21 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
druxey Posted May 3, 2017 #1346 Posted May 3, 2017 Cracking in acrylic might be stress-induced by the bolts being over-tightened? popeye the sailor, mtaylor, Piet and 2 others 5 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
Rat-Fink-A-Booboo Posted June 8, 2017 #1347 Posted June 8, 2017 Hi Michael What a fabulous project - I love these pilot boats. Are you aware of any medium size wooden kits of Bristol pilot cutters on the market? Best wishes Don michael mott, Piet, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote
michael mott Posted June 8, 2017 Author #1348 Posted June 8, 2017 Hello Don, I do not know of any Kits although at one time there was a hull that was either vac formed or glass fibre one that approx 46 inches long. In this months Wooden Boat magazine there are some nice plans of a 29 foot daysailer along the lines of a traditional pilot Cutter. Michael popeye the sailor, mtaylor and Piet 3 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
KeithAug Posted June 8, 2017 #1349 Posted June 8, 2017 Don Re Bristol Pilot Cutter kit, this may be of interest http://www.kingstonmouldings.co.uk/products.html mtaylor, Piet and popeye the sailor 3 Quote Keith Current Build:- Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24 Previous Builds:- Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/ Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702 J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029 Other Topics Nautical Adventures http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846
michael mott Posted June 8, 2017 Author #1350 Posted June 8, 2017 Thanks Keith I could not remember the name of the outfit that made the hulls. michael popeye the sailor, Piet and mtaylor 3 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
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