Jaxboat Posted April 10, 2014 #511 Posted April 10, 2014 HI Chris, The vessel the Romans subsequently used was called a "Liburnian". It was indeed lighter and faster. Ironically it was designed after Med Pirate ships at the time. Smaller versions of he Liburnian design were also used as riverine patrol craft on the Rhine and elsewhere. On another topic: any new from the front On Victory? Thanks for sharing your work with us Best Jaxboat
chris watton Posted May 7, 2014 #512 Posted May 7, 2014 I have quite a few changes to the original model, including re-planking the sides, adding the anti ramming plates and ballistas. I ran out of dowel for the oars, only had enough to make a third of them! AndyNic, yvesvidal, Anja and 11 others 14 Vanguard Models on Facebook
Timmo Posted May 7, 2014 #513 Posted May 7, 2014 Nice, especially with the amended planking. If that's a third of the oars then cruel and unusual punishment awaits people building this beast when it hits the market! Ulises Victoria 1 Current build Enterprise class 28-gun frigate 1774 - scratchbuild 1:36 RC Completed builds Cruizer class brig - scratchbuild 1:36 RC HM Bomb Vessel Granado - Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne - Caldercraft
chris watton Posted May 7, 2014 #514 Posted May 7, 2014 Cheers I didn't like the all painted hull, and couldn't sleep well until I changed it! The oars don't take too long to make at all - you just cut the dowel to length and simply glue on the laser cut paddle on the end! I can see now why most other commercial kits only show one bank of oars... I think I will have to design a base that's wide enough for the oars, as they will ne quite delicate... WackoWolf, mtaylor, Timmo and 3 others 6 Vanguard Models on Facebook
Trussben Posted May 7, 2014 #515 Posted May 7, 2014 Looks really nice Chris, that is a hell of a lot of oars, they must of been able to get it up to a good speed. Ben Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
fnkershner Posted May 11, 2014 #516 Posted May 11, 2014 How did the oarsmen keep from tangling with each other? Current Builds - 18th Century Longboat, MS Syren Completed Builds - MS Bluenose, Panart BatteStation Cross section, Endevour J Boat Half Hull, Windego Half Hull, R/C T37 Breezing Along, R/C Victoria 32, SolCat 18 On the shelf - Panart San Felipe, Euromodel Ajax, C.Mamoli America, Its a sailor's Life for me!
chris watton Posted June 4, 2014 #517 Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) Just got printed A4 paper sails at the moment, just to check overall fit.. Edited June 4, 2014 by chris watton Brian the extraordinaire, Griffon, samueljr and 12 others 15 Vanguard Models on Facebook
amateur Posted June 4, 2014 #518 Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) You can just copy-past the URL from photo-bucket. Relatively quickly.... Isn't the main sail very small compared to the ship's size? Jan Edited June 4, 2014 by amateur
pompey2 Posted June 4, 2014 #519 Posted June 4, 2014 Chris Great looking ship Current build USF Confederacy Previous log - HMS Victory
chris watton Posted June 4, 2014 #520 Posted June 4, 2014 Cheers The sail is, apparently, the correct size - I had to rely on experts much more knowledgeable than me on this particular subject, they pointed out to me the two triangular 'supparum' sails above the main yard, too. Frankberge 1 Vanguard Models on Facebook
WackoWolf Posted June 5, 2014 #521 Posted June 5, 2014 Now that is Beautiful. When do you think it might be released. This is another kit I would have to think about (not big on kits, but your work is out of this world). Wacko Joe Go MSW :)
chris watton Posted June 5, 2014 #522 Posted June 5, 2014 Thank you! I am working on construction drawings right now, so am hoping it will be released within 8 months. I am working on a few different versions thought (for different markets), which is slowing me down.... Griffon and WackoWolf 2 Vanguard Models on Facebook
chris watton Posted June 5, 2014 #523 Posted June 5, 2014 Chris: You may have already posted the information, but if so I've missed it. What scale is it and how big is the model? I'd guess about twice the size of the bireme, It is 1:48 scale - I initially wanted it to be 1:32, but that would have made it way too big, unless I went for a much smaller vessel. The hull is just over a metre long, but it's not too tall. Vanguard Models on Facebook
cnemo Posted June 5, 2014 #524 Posted June 5, 2014 Hi Chrish, a few days ago I sent you a PM about the clinker planking. Please, if you have time, could you give me some help / suggestion about it?Thanks in advance for your help and reply Graziano
chris watton Posted June 5, 2014 #525 Posted June 5, 2014 Ciao Graziano, PM sent (second time lucky - my internet browser no longer likes this site too much, it seems...) Vanguard Models on Facebook
Greg Posted June 9, 2014 #526 Posted June 9, 2014 Hi Chris, If the site has gone all funny, it could be "adblock" playing up. Just disable it for this site. btw you have just put another kit on my wish list. Cheers Greg
FatFingers Posted July 4, 2014 #527 Posted July 4, 2014 Hi Chris, Your work is impeccable. I've been contemplating getting HMS Vanguard for a while, just concerned I'd be able to do it. For future projects would you consider HMY Caroline, it would be wonderful to have a kit that did her justice. I've been tempted by the Panart kit however I think the castings let it down (I know, suggestions that I should do them myself! I can plank hulls but carve figures! They just look like balloon animals) and if the AOT book is correct then the castings for the decorations are a big let down. Regards
chris watton Posted July 5, 2014 #528 Posted July 5, 2014 Cheers, I have contemplated to a 32nd scale Royal Caroline in the past - would make a great model... Today, the Roman Quinquereme was delivered to the couriers in Gloucester, to be shipped to Italy - our home is once again free of any models! I did design two versions, one for the Republican period (which is how the model is displayed), and an Imperial version (Augustan). I had to design quite a substantial display base for it, as the oars make the width half a metre! realworkingsailor, Jaxboat, CaptainSteve and 18 others 21 Vanguard Models on Facebook
WackoWolf Posted July 5, 2014 #529 Posted July 5, 2014 Now that is something to sit and look at all day. Excellent. Wacko Joe Go MSW :)
Jaxboat Posted July 5, 2014 #530 Posted July 5, 2014 (edited) Awesome galley. Here is a publication you might be interested in regarding your galley: there was an article in the latest issue of World Archaeology (#65) about the discovery of the battle site of the last sea battle of the First Punic war between Carthage and Rome. They have recovered 12 bronze rams so far and one still had shards of wood lodged in the front which came from an enemy ship that was rammed. Best Jaxboat Edited July 5, 2014 by Jaxboat chris watton, WackoWolf and st george 3
MelbourneFL Posted August 6, 2014 #531 Posted August 6, 2014 (edited) Hello! Does anybody know how big the Amati Revenge is going to be (length in particular)? My space is limited and I can not find the information anywhere. Thanks a lot! Edited August 7, 2014 by MelbourneFL
MelbourneFL Posted August 7, 2014 #532 Posted August 7, 2014 Ok...I sent Chris Watton a PM and he responded. In case anybody else is interested: The Revenge is going to be 890mm long (hull length 753mm).
amateur Posted August 21, 2014 #533 Posted August 21, 2014 The interesting question is: when will it be released? Jan WackoWolf 1
mtaylor Posted August 21, 2014 #534 Posted August 21, 2014 I saw an ad for it. Looks like it might be released. Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Ulises Victoria Posted August 21, 2014 #535 Posted August 21, 2014 I saw an ad for it. Looks like it might be released. What??? You're kidding, right? Where? When? How much? There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time!
mtaylor Posted August 21, 2014 #536 Posted August 21, 2014 Ah.. found it.. NRG Journal. Autumn issue, right inside the front cover. Ages of Sail ad but nothing on their website. Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Keith_W Posted August 21, 2014 #537 Posted August 21, 2014 I saw an ad for it. Looks like it might be released. What is going to be released? The Victory? Or the Roman galley? Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel
mtaylor Posted August 21, 2014 #538 Posted August 21, 2014 The Revenge, apparently from the ad. Sorry, I should have been clearer. Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
DiKri Posted August 22, 2014 #539 Posted August 22, 2014 This is on the new Amati website: http://www.amatimodel.com/it/modelli/novita/revenge Kevin and CaptainSteve 2 Current build: Wasa (Corel) Already build: HMS Fly (Victory Models)
Kusawa2000 Posted August 22, 2014 #540 Posted August 22, 2014 So Chris: Now that you are finishing up this project what is next on your plate. As a member of the "I sure like the Bellona prototype" you developed I was curious if there is any new news on the release of her as a kit. If not, what is next for you for kit prototypes? Appreciate any information Mike Draper Timmo 1 Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Member, Nautical Research Guild
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