Brigg Fair Posted September 25, 2013 Share #361 Posted September 25, 2013 Can i carry your bags? I'll drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted September 25, 2013 Share #362 Posted September 25, 2013 Can i carry your bags? You'd hate it - 12 hours solid driving and having to suffer an 18 year old female's choice of musical dirge on her iPod - plus a wife who loves ABBA! - a necessary evil I have to endure from time to time... Chris, A bit off topic, but if you want to see the levels of detail some plastic manufacturers are going to, have a look at the Airfix 1/48th EH101 Merlin Mk 3. This has an amazing 84 decals for the interior of the cabin alone! Having worked on the build these for 29 years there are items that I, and others, did not know existed until we actually checked the aircraft. They don't get much better than this although you can always find something extra to do. Sorry again to other topic readers for drifting away from maritime subjects Mick Pallas Plastic kits manufacturers have really upped their game over the past decade or so, allowing you to built a very accurate miniature version of the real thing; I would not be happy spending hundreds on a wooden based kit only to find that its cheaper and relatively tiny plastic equivalent has more detail and more accuracy.. I'll drive So post above... LOL Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxboat Posted September 25, 2013 Share #363 Posted September 25, 2013 Hi Chris ABBA and 18 year old music selections on an 18 hour drive? You truly do suffer for your Art! Amati should give you combat pay! Best Jaxboat PS: Are the wiener dogs going too? They probably like Wagner's Ring Cycle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhermann Posted September 25, 2013 Share #364 Posted September 25, 2013 I am seeing Amati soon, so I'll see what's going on regarding future projects... Chris - if you are wiling, maybe you could ask them about Cutty Sark plans I may be ready for that one in about 8 years! Great work on Victory! Thanks, Bob Current build -- MS Bluenose Future build - MS Flying Fish "A ship is safe in harbor, but that's not what ships are for." - William G. T. Shedd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted September 25, 2013 Share #365 Posted September 25, 2013 Hi Chris ABBA and 18 year old music selections on an 18 hour drive? You truly do suffer for your Art! Amati should give you combat pay! Best Jaxboat PS: Are the wiener dogs going too? They probably like Wagner's Ring Cycle! I know - you have no idea! lol Sausage dogs are staying, step son is staying at home (my God!) while we're away - they were all born in Italy though.. Chris - if you are wiling, maybe you could ask them about Cutty Sark plans I may be ready for that one in about 8 years! Great work on Victory! Thanks, Bob I think Cutty Sark is still on hold as we're waiting for a technology that allows us to replicate the two deck houses in fine detail (many different layers of panelling of the real version) - but I shall ask. Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overdale Posted September 25, 2013 Share #366 Posted September 25, 2013 Chris, my ten pence worth, how about HMS Sussex 1693. for an Amati subject.? Not a period that's well covered, and it's a beautiful ship. Dan. gjdale and WackoWolf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmo Posted September 25, 2013 Share #367 Posted September 25, 2013 I'm for bellona and prince.... Current build Enterprise class 28-gun frigate 1774 - scratchbuild 1:36 RC Completed builds Cruizer class brig - scratchbuild 1:36 RC HM Bomb Vessel Granado - Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne - Caldercraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonborger Posted September 26, 2013 Share #368 Posted September 26, 2013 Is there any plans for an ironclad such as La Gloire or L'Ocean? WackoWolf 1 Kits owned: Mamoli Royal Louis, Mamoli Friesland, Mamoli HMS Victory 1:90, Occre Santisima Trinidad, Constructo HMS Prince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusawa2000 Posted September 26, 2013 Share #369 Posted September 26, 2013 Chris, my ten pence worth, how about HMS Sussex 1693. for an Amati subject.? Not a period that's well covered, and it's a beautiful ship. Dan. Chris: While I do remember you letting us know the Bellona kit was a prototype and that there was no plans to making it available to the Public, if we mustered a few more supporters for its release, could we consider Amati to reconsider? Would it help if I say I would stand out in a snowstorm as well as a rain storm to purchase the kit? Mike Draper Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Member, Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted September 30, 2013 Share #370 Posted September 30, 2013 Chris: While I do remember you letting us know the Bellona kit was a prototype and that there was no plans to making it available to the Public, if we mustered a few more supporters for its release, could we consider Amati to reconsider? Would it help if I say I would stand out in a snowstorm as well as a rain storm to purchase the kit? Mike Draper It would make a very nice kit, I have to agree. I will mention this when I see them. yvesvidal 1 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusawa2000 Posted October 1, 2013 Share #371 Posted October 1, 2013 Chris: If you could convince the decision makers at Amati to release the Bellona I would definitely be one of the first to buy the kit. Judging from your prototype there is no question on the quality of the kit. If there is anything I could do to assist at my end let me know as this is a definite high quality build... Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Timmo and yvesvidal 2 Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Member, Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 2, 2013 Share #372 Posted October 2, 2013 Chris: If you could convince the decision makers at Amati to release the Bellona I would definitely be one of the first to buy the kit. Judging from your prototype there is no question on the quality of the kit. If there is anything I could do to assist at my end let me know as this is a definite high quality build... Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Hi Mike, I made the designs way too 'delicate' - if it came out in kit form without change, many modellers would have problems (although I am stone cold sure you and many others on here would have no problem) If I get the go-ahead to buff the designs to general retail standard, I will be very happy - but it will be quite a lot of work. Would be worth it though as, looking at the pictures I had taken (I haven't seen it since shipping it over to Amati), it is a very nice looking model and would do well, sales-wise I think. It's like a Fly/Pegasus kit but on steroids, decoration-wise. Beef Wellington and yvesvidal 2 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted October 2, 2013 Share #373 Posted October 2, 2013 "It's like a fly/Pegasus-kit on steroids." That would be my problem with it....I don't like steroids Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnemo Posted October 2, 2013 Share #374 Posted October 2, 2013 Hi Chris,alerts us, here in this forum, if AMATI tells you to start work for the BELLONA?I am also very interested in the kit BELLONA cnemo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusawa2000 Posted October 3, 2013 Share #375 Posted October 3, 2013 Hi Mike, I made the designs way too 'delicate' - if it came out in kit form without change, many modellers would have problems (although I am stone cold sure you and many others on here would have no problem) If I get the go-ahead to buff the designs to general retail standard, I will be very happy - but it will be quite a lot of work. Would be worth it though as, looking at the pictures I had taken (I haven't seen it since shipping it over to Amati), it is a very nice looking model and would do well, sales-wise I think. It's like a Fly/Pegasus kit but on steroids, decoration-wise. Chris: I appreciate you are willing to have a discussion on this.. I assume when you are talking about the designs you are referring to the scroll work on the port and starboard sides along the aft part of the ship. Could you do a self adhesive transfer as part of the stock kit but offer the more detailed designs as a after market? I have noticed they are doing this with plastic kits these days for armour and airplanes. Just a thought. However, it would be good to have that original scroll work that you did on the prototype.. it definitely gives that added detail to the hull. I found your deck furniture was also a eye catcher. I don't know if you used a brass etched pieces for the ornamentation, but I think they could be a easy option (I don't know the cost of production for those pieces). I have also seen companies like Model Shipways use pre laser cut pieces as well that were not too hard to use. But, again I would suspect that the reality of the design and production floor is different from us lads talking about it on a forum. But as I said before.... Im keen on the seeing the Bellona kit come into reality. Thanks again for listening Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Member, Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 3, 2013 Share #376 Posted October 3, 2013 Chris: I appreciate you are willing to have a discussion on this.. I assume when you are talking about the designs you are referring to the scroll work on the port and starboard sides along the aft part of the ship. Could you do a self adhesive transfer as part of the stock kit but offer the more detailed designs as a after market? I have noticed they are doing this with plastic kits these days for armour and airplanes. Just a thought. However, it would be good to have that original scroll work that you did on the prototype.. it definitely gives that added detail to the hull. I found your deck furniture was also a eye catcher. I don't know if you used a brass etched pieces for the ornamentation, but I think they could be a easy option (I don't know the cost of production for those pieces). I have also seen companies like Model Shipways use pre laser cut pieces as well that were not too hard to use. But, again I would suspect that the reality of the design and production floor is different from us lads talking about it on a forum. But as I said before.... Im keen on the seeing the Bellona kit come into reality. Thanks again for listening Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Hi Mike, As far as I am concerned, the scroll work is fine as is. I know the frieze work should really be painted on, so a colour paper template would be more in keeping - but the very thin brass is more 'resilient', whereas paper, no matter how good the quality, isn't. One small scratch can ruin it. (I know this from experience) I was referring to the actual hull design, the bulkheads and deck beams - it is this area which needs 'beefing up' - it may be too delicate for some, so it will need re-designing as per the Victory method (which is a progression from the Bellona designs anyway) The stern main decoration is cast resin - it is way too 'frothy' to work well using multi-layered photo etch. The resin is great though, as it is much more pliable than metal. Laser cut decoration I am not so keen on. It is too easy for the parts to crumble to nothing, if not 100% careful, and edges have to be carefully rounded off if it's to look like the real thing. There's nothing worse than having the tiny part break just as you finish an hours work on it.. Jaxboat 1 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusawa2000 Posted October 4, 2013 Share #377 Posted October 4, 2013 Hi Mike, As far as I am concerned, the scroll work is fine as is. I know the frieze work should really be painted on, so a colour paper template would be more in keeping - but the very thin brass is more 'resilient', whereas paper, no matter how good the quality, isn't. One small scratch can ruin it. (I know this from experience) I was referring to the actual hull design, the bulkheads and deck beams - it is this area which needs 'beefing up' - it may be too delicate for some, so it will need re-designing as per the Victory method (which is a progression from the Bellona designs anyway) The stern main decoration is cast resin - it is way too 'frothy' to work well using multi-layered photo etch. The resin is great though, as it is much more pliable than metal. Laser cut decoration I am not so keen on. It is too easy for the parts to crumble to nothing, if not 100% careful, and edges have to be carefully rounded off if it's to look like the real thing. There's nothing worse than having the tiny part break just as you finish an hours work on it.. Chris: Thanks for clarifying that for me. I never considered that the bulkheads and deck beams would need to be beefed up. I thought they looked ok but I could understand they could be a bit delicate. If you and Amati are using cast resin for the main decorations that is stellar.. as you said its a very user friendly material. And I do agree laser parts can be a bit tender.. and its a hassle to get paint to adhere to it. By the way..the last pics you had posted of the Bellona was without a full rigging of her.. did you ever get her fully rigged or did she go to Amati without "sticks and strings"? Again.. thanks for hearing us out and again if needed let us know if you need any commitment or support on moving the Bellona kit ahead into production Have a good one Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Member, Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 4, 2013 Share #378 Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) Hi Mike, No problem - here you go: And this is the model in her crate, almost ready to be shipped - Victory would be too large (500mm longer and much wider) which is why we have to hire a van and drive... Edited October 4, 2013 by chris watton realworkingsailor, freewheelinguy, mtaylor and 13 others 16 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusawa2000 Posted October 5, 2013 Share #379 Posted October 5, 2013 Ok Chris.. now Im really impressed.. are we into having to resort to a blatant bribe in getting this kit released? Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Member, Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWO Posted October 5, 2013 Share #380 Posted October 5, 2013 Me too! Me three.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWO Posted October 5, 2013 Share #381 Posted October 5, 2013 Hi Mike, I made the designs way too 'delicate' - if it came out in kit form without change, many modellers would have problems (although I am stone cold sure you and many others on here would have no problem) If I get the go-ahead to buff the designs to general retail standard, I will be very happy - but it will be quite a lot of work. Would be worth it though as, looking at the pictures I had taken (I haven't seen it since shipping it over to Amati), it is a very nice looking model and would do well, sales-wise I think. It's like a Fly/Pegasus kit but on steroids, decoration-wise. If there's a lot of re-work, you might as well make it a 1/64 scale. ;-) Then it would look more appropriate displayed next to Pegasus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted October 6, 2013 Share #382 Posted October 6, 2013 That's a magnificent ship. Pity the plans can't be sold by Amati even if they don't want to produce the kit.... AnobiumPunctatum and st george 2 Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlinmk3 Posted October 6, 2013 Share #383 Posted October 6, 2013 Chris, I'm really impressed at the way this looks, and appreciate what you say about using resin. In the model armour world we now get resin parts that are referred to as '3D modelling' or 'fast prototyping' - in fact we actually use this for how real helicopter parts would look. If Amati already use this technology. or would be prepared to invest in it, the problem of scrollwork, etc, may be solved as some the resin mixes are fairly flexible. Mick Pallas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 25, 2013 Share #384 Posted October 25, 2013 Just thought I'd let you know that the model is going to Italy this Sunday, we have hired a van and will drive there (safest option for something this large and delicate) - not looking forward to the 14 hour drive, though. There will be no models in our home once more, when we get back! I have now finished numbering up every part and the parts list runs to 29 pages! Just hope Amati like it when they see it on Monday morning...gulp.... freewheelinguy, trippwj and Jaxboat 3 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustyj Posted October 25, 2013 Share #385 Posted October 25, 2013 Hi Chris, How could they not like it? Besides I think large portion of MSW members would send along some "encouragement" if they didn't! Have a safe trip and I'm still saving my money for when they decide to produce it. chris watton 1 Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 25, 2013 Share #386 Posted October 25, 2013 Cheers, Rusty The part I am dreading the most is carrying it down a flight of concrete steps to our driveway, to place it in the van - been having nightmares about tripping up halfway down and the model going flying! Jaxboat 1 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joemo Posted October 25, 2013 Share #387 Posted October 25, 2013 I will say a prayer that your Victory gets into the hands of Amati safe and sound. Joe chris watton and Jaxboat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmo Posted October 25, 2013 Share #388 Posted October 25, 2013 Happy travels Chris. I'm sure Victory will be well received. chris watton and Jaxboat 2 Current build Enterprise class 28-gun frigate 1774 - scratchbuild 1:36 RC Completed builds Cruizer class brig - scratchbuild 1:36 RC HM Bomb Vessel Granado - Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne - Caldercraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freewheelinguy Posted October 25, 2013 Share #389 Posted October 25, 2013 Chris, I too, hope you have a safe trip. Hopefully, your bosses will realize what a wonderful product you have developed and expedite it to market. Take care, Len chris watton and Jaxboat 2 Happy modeling, Len Current build: HMS Bellerophon semi-scratch from plans of Victory Models HMS Vanguard Drydock: MS Constitution Completed builds: MS AVS, scratch built Syren, Victory models HMS Fly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted October 26, 2013 Share #390 Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) Best wishes and a safe voyage, Chris. Edited October 26, 2013 by druxey chris watton and Jaxboat 2 Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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