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Have also seen them look like this, problem with deciding on the compass is our victorian friends invented/ improved designs at a very impressive pace. Keith
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it is nice m8y (watch out i put the chart cupboard handle on the wrong side😬). I havnt read it yet just perused the plans to figure out those bridge supports....are you still stuck in that airport?!? Keith
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pssst Daniel i am not sure if you are breaking copyright there , maybe delete the script and just describe in your own words about compass. However that would mean i was right with first set up regards box on a table, you can go bonkers trying to figure this out!!!!!! Keith here is a crop of the Erebus wreck diagram the square is behind the hatch and below the tiller (could just be other wreckage though). Keith
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Nice to see you back with her Keith- looks really crisp and shipshape. Never fails to amaze me when i think about what scale you are working in😁 Keith
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Welcome back fellow terrorite😉Hopefully we will have the ice bridge Azimuth compass scenario sorted by the time you get there! As regards Occre throw the plans out once the ice bumper and stern gallery is done! Between us Keith S and myself have all the info you need along with Matthew Betts book and blog on here (under E&T - finished) in scratch built build logs....... oh god sanding the ice bumpers - was like some sort of prison style punishment! Keith
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Hmmm the idea of the stanchions ion the skid beam looks like a winner and would make mounting a ladder safer- i'm considering it massively. Also Keith did you see the earlier post regards binnacles and i have looked at those parks Canada sketches a few times and wondered what is that square in a square set up abaft the officers mess skylight? I am going to change the base of the compass post to a square footing as opposed to the hat stand style feet i have at the moment. Take care all Keith
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just found this on the mystic seaport website, In fact, it is common for the standard compass to be mounted away from the helm position even on modern vessels. Also note that in addition to her main compass which was remote from the helm, Wavertree was equipped with two steering compasses located by the helm on the quarterdeck. These would be the references the helmsman would use to steer a steady course. Left: This image shows one of a pair of steering binnacles by the wheel on Wavertree’s sister ship, the Leicester. (South Street Seaport Museum Archives) In fact there may also be other compasses aboard a ship such as a “Tell-Tale Compass” in the Captain’s quarters by which the Master could see the course being steered without going on deck. Some larger ships are required to carry a spare compass in addition to thor standard compass to this day. and a drawing of hms beagle hmmm food for thought! Keith
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Thankyou Daniel, intriguing Keith and it might help explain why upon refitting to the 1839 plans terror and Erebus ended up with a bridge and a pedestal to mount the compass on. I suspect there should be another compass for the helmsman as well and the portable Royal navy one we were discussing what feels like centuries ago could be very likely. I was just thinking guys that we might be the first people (along i imagine with Matthew Betts) to seriously look into the ice bridge / compass conundrum since 1845? keith
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That is a very good point Keith - they also seem absent on the "our friend the pitcher" drawing. 🤪🤨🤪- ouch my friend you are still stuck in the airport!!!!! Keith
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Thanks for the input Craig and certainly can't be ruled out. I have been looking at the owen stanley pics of Terror and Erebus again and noticed a couple of things. it shows the two skid beam support posts and what looks like a diagonal rod going from the bridge end to the support post. Also the davit arms are held by halliards leading to the mizzen aka hms victory davit style. Regards the handrail will stick with a single row of stanchions with rope handrails and iron rod supports either side of midships. Take care all Keith
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Thanks for the likes, comments and looking in folks. Craig i would like to thank you for your input (they do say a fresh pair of eyes looking at a problem works wonders). Also thanks to Keith S (we are getting there Keith)! Had a play about recreating the azimuth compass column (thanks again Craig, have been trying to figure out for two years what that column was for, as they say "say what you see"... it was all there)! Bad part is that skid beam i put in 3 mm too far has come back to bite me😬 so will have to put the hole in the table forward of centre....... Now how long to make that bridge! Take care all Keith P.S.Keith B i have been chuckling at this comment for a couple of days now "Lord Kelvin invented his compensating balls" God bless school boy humour🤣
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Thanks everyone- looks like my table is getting a hole in it!!!! I have been thinking if the post is for a pelorus that is mounted on top of the post, someone standing on the bridge will be able to get his line of sight and shout down to helmsman "mark" while also communicating with navigators at the table? The bridge will be just as good as the top of the table for observing and if someone said to me "stand on that table and take bearings" while at sea i would be court martialled for offensive language 😁 Keith
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No problem Daniel- now the fun really begins muahahahahaha🤪- Keith and i might have the ice bridge sorted out (with a little help) by the time you get to it! Keith
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Thanks Daniel and Keith B , who would have thought a compass and plank of wood could have caused so much debate😁. Also it is great to see my other long suffering Terror compadre back on the scene after his long break . Keith
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i was thinking along them lines Keith as there is a bloody great steam engine right below them, that is one reason i was going to mount a binnacle on the elevated bridge but it really is too narrow so the post could be for mounting the compass and pedestal on, but still seems odd putting it through the middle of a table ....ahhh the conundrum of our little Terrors continues😎 You will see a raised platform on the old steamers, ocean liners and warships which was to keep the compass away from the ironwork, later they used magnets to offset the effect of the iron/ steel work. Keith
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I am thinking along them lines as well Keith but does seem a bit bizarre having a long post like that going through a table but hey we are dealing with Terror and Erebus here! I am sooooooo glad i didnt belay the main braces yet because they will definitely get in the way. ouch at being stuck in airport m8. Keith
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You could maybe have the door open slightly and roll up bits of cigarette paper to imitate the charts😇. How does the Azimuth compass box compare to yours size wise? Keith
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HMS Terror by richardhd - OcCre
clearway replied to richardhd's topic in - Kit build logs for subjects built from 1801 - 1850
should be intersting but it should be o.k. as the other keith and i have hammered out a lot of details and of course the awesome work Matthew Betts put in to his research which along with Keith s log kick started my build (i still hold you personally to blame Keith S)😁. If you havnt already obtained his book i would obtain a copy. Keith -
Thanks for the likes, comments, views everyone. I have now finished the main wooden supports for the bridge and am sticking with it😜. Though still in the air about full length or shortened bridge itself (not sure if way too big but added a box for azimuth compass to the table). Also temp fitted a couple of pieces of 0.9mm brass rod to bridge which if sticking with metal supports will be cut to proper length and blackened. Onto something different and have never been happy with the set up on the starboard deck house (W.C.) and after seeing the plans thought Kudos Keith s you were bang on, are you going to add the map locker door keith as it was missing when you made yours based on the wreck photo? I very carefully "tickled" it with a flat bladed screwdriver and thankfully came away without bringing half the deck with it (god bless inferior wood glue)! Still needs tidied up, sanded and varnished, i used slightly different types of veneer strip to create contrast between panels and framing with brass planking pins for the door handles. Take care all Keith
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HMS Terror by richardhd - OcCre
clearway replied to richardhd's topic in - Kit build logs for subjects built from 1801 - 1850
Hi Richard ahhh the early stages before Keith s and myself started with the brainaches😁, as we are talking iron sheathing as opposed to copper plating on the bows you will get away with just adding nails to the outer edge. Keith -
Lol keith trust me i have been tempted to walk away as well m8. Back to the great plank debate of 2022🤨, while the 1839 plans do show an outboard support post which is what i was going to go with originally, the plan drawing in matthew Betts book clearly shows them mounted inboard more or less in the manner i have depicted. Now you know why (as stated in my log) i have been waiting till Matthews book came out before starting on the ice bridge😁. As we have found out if it is on the official 1839 refit plans things were altered i.e. davits. Keith P.S. that isnt the final bits of the ice bridge, i will be adding supports either side of the azimuth compass table (wood or iron i havnt decided yet) along with a compass on a column either both sides of the bridge or one infront of the bridge and another to the starboard side of the wheel (beside skylight) for the helmsman.
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My m8 at work was going to buy a load of bitcoin around 10 years ago but didnt and has been kicking himself ever since. On the other hand i have checked the plans in matthew betts book and not really that far out , the support posts are where he has them but the stern most skid beam should be around 3mm or so farther back, but i can live with it. Keith
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Psst Craig my dad is also called Keith! Dont forget the plans show Erebus, i do have the stern most davit post a little too far forward but also i should have double checked the ply occre bulwarks ( think the ports are a little too far towards the stern). Matthews plans show inboard supports on his 1845 plan view so will stick with them. I suppose this is a case of hindsight is a wonderful thing! keith
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Back with the much debated bridge (and Craig we dont need more Keiths as we have already been confusing people for two years now)😁. I have started on the two supports for the bridge and will stick with this arrangement unless anyone dives down on the wreck site and posts photographs to the contrary😜 (based the arrangement on the plan view from the terror book). Still in the air regards length/ sections etc but here is how it looks at the moment. Take care all Keith
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Craig, as far as i can make out the support joins to the knee supporting the skid beam though that would throw it way out of line to join in with the outboard upright- Matthews plans show the support leading to a support inboard as far as i can tell. Interesting speculation about the binnacle stand and certainly looks like a binnacle stand with the fluted post... The joy of Terror speculation continues! Keith
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