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First time rigging - being organized
amateur replied to RichardG's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Hi Richard, Quite a lot of this is already in the book you have on order (start/endpoint of lines) The only thinkg Peterson does not go into is the size of the line (ie thickness/diameter) and the corresponding size of the blocks (thicker line means larger block) And I discovered that at small scales suggestion is as good (or even better) than following actual practice: you will presumably not be able to do it exactly as in the real world. (OK, there are some exceptions around on this site). The same applies to order: standing before running, but apart from that, it's the endresult that counts, and no-one will ever know in which order you knotted the whole thing together. (btw I did this ony twice, and am still not finished with the second one, so I'm not a real expert ) Jan -
Hi Piet, Wonderfull build it has become. Something to be proud of! I still am amazed at the level of detail you add to the boat! (although I'm not sure on the logo of the Heineken, it looks like the modern one to me, but I'm not a beer-expert.) But for someone coming from Rotterdam-area, should'n't it be Oranjeboom? Jan
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So will I. make sur eyou have enough thickness in your frames in the forward part: they need quite a lot of fairi g inthe bowsection. Scale 1:36, that will make a lenght of slightly under 90 cm over all? Jan
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That's a surrise, I would have thought that all superstructure and railing was always painted White. don'tknow where I got that idea, but now it's proven wrong Great looking ship she is. Jan
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btw the PInas has three or four dropplanks, all lying next to each other: the lower 6 or seven strakes go from stern to stern, the upper three do, and everything in between is a dropplank, either up front, or at the back. That PInas-ship in Den Helder shows a lot of planking features that are 'against the rules' (Do you have access to 'segelschiffsmodellbau.com'? There is a nice number of pictures of that PInas-wreck in Den Helder on that forum. like the one below) Unfortunatedly, the ship is in a large glass box, so almost all pics have heave reflections of the surroundings Jan
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I mean this: (sorry, best pic I could find). Quite a lot of the planks end butting against the lower wale.
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I guess it is a matter of taste, but i don't thnik this number of drop- planks is how the duth did it. As far as I understood, the planks just below the wales didn't makeit all the way to the stern, giving room for the others to get to the stern. Check pictures of the william rex model to see what I mean. Jan
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Gripen 1591 by NAZGÛL (Matti)
amateur replied to NAZGÛL's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1501 - 1750
That is a promising start! Jan -
They are shown in your rigging plan. The riggin gplan by Corel shows all the sheets (including those from the lower sails): the clew-lines are rigged, including the clew block, with the sheets attached to it. Only the sail is "missing". the sheets are going backwards, the fore-sheet is going inboard just in front of the main mast, the main sheets are going al the way back to the poop-deck. Jan
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not much luck with your paints this model..... But we know you'll manage. Jan
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Where did you get them? Jan
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If we learn from our mistakes, I must be pretty smart now.
amateur replied to skipper1947's topic in Wood ship model kits
Yours does pass the "standing horse test" Jan -
only 1100 to go It is only when you stick them to a match box that I realize how very tiny all these little people are. unbelievable detail!
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I like her as a working ship that was altered with the needs, although I have to agree with those oldies that the original design was far better. Jan
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But 32 meters is too large. One of the ships markus showed is a pinace of 159something, and that is 85 foot over the sterns. I don't know the size of duyfken, but that is more what a small ship looked like. Duyfken was 25 last, and had an estimated lenght of about 20 meters. What was the size of Gripen? Two or three wales. There are no fixed rules for that. Quite a lot of pics however showing both, even for relatively small ships. Jan
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As long as we are mixing up along the same lines, there will be no problem
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No this distance is about right: between the wales is about 1-2 times the width of the wale. Your current drawing looks about right to me. (but I'm not an expert ....) It would be worth asking for the scale, and the dimensions of the ship: that would make it easier tot determinie wehther or not the gunports are close to the water or not. Jan
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The scientists contradict that: only after 1650 the wales were cut through. In Dutch shipbuilding, the wales were an important part of the structure: the part of the frames were not connected to each other, it was the wales (and some thickstuff in the hull) was holding the whole structure together. It took dutch shipwrights some time before they dared to cut through the wales. It is assumed that in the late 1500 the decks did follow the wales for most of the ships lenght. Jan
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Mind, the pics of Dutchships shown are all from the post-Wasa period. It's not at allo clear whehter or not they provide you with info on how a pre-1600 ship would have looked like. Jan
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Has there been progress here? Jan
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the dialogue? Probably something like: "The first shot went home pretty well, the Frenchies didn't expect that, that's for sure' Jan
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