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I didn't explain myself well. I don't think the metal would have been copper, but some metal that would have polished up well. It was only the method of tacking a thin metal sheet with a lot of flat-headed nails that I was comparing. The Spanish were doing this with lead sheets for their ships in the 1500s, the Romans much earlier and even the Egyptians had been working copper. By the 16th century the European armorers were making plate armor on a regular basis. Look up a History Channel show about the Greenwich steel armor that was made for Henry VIII in 1511. If it is the lid liner, what would it have been made of?

Marc - Thanks for the picture of the Vasa. This is primary evidence that can be relied on. It clearly shows all those nail heads with a thickly raised carving, just as you have modeled it. But in the photo I think I am seeing that these nails do not attach the two layers of thick planking together, but are tacks holding on a flat metal sheet. This is similar to how copper sheets were attached to the hull in later years. I can imagine that when the lids were fully lifted the sun would reflect beautifully off the polished surface with a golden lion in the center. This solves the problem of compression or weakening of the lid itself and gives a logical reason for the look of the thing. That clears it up for me, if my interpretation is correct. Dan

Hi Marc, Heinrich - Can you answer a question that I have had for a while, ever since seeing an illustration of French gunport lids with all those nails. Were there really that many, or has there been some artistic license that exaggerates this detail? With so many nails the wood would have to compress quite a bit to allow for the size of the shanks. If you drill them out, you create a line of perforations that will risk splitting along the grain. What am I missing? Dan

And here is part 2 The area around the third funnel and aft of it was difficult to make out and I am still not completely sure that I got it right. Here is the plan. But careful examination of photos reveals a number of differences, not only with the plan, but with each other. I took what I was certain of, and made my best guess as to the rest. One of the things I was most certain of were the two largest blowers on the ship, which connected directly to the side of the funnel platform. Their motors were large enough that I turned them in the drill press and added three grooves as decoration. A number of the blowers had ducts that angled across the roof of the deckhouses and came down the sides. Ducts were led as seen in the photos, even if I did not understand where they were going or why they had so many bends. Here is the liner side of the area, as well as the top of the funnel platform. At the back of the funnel there is a large round pipe that feeds into a square curved duct. Some of the photos that determined that shape will be coming up later. Here is the port side in shades of grey. The last pieces to put on before leaving an area are the railings. They tell me not to mess around any more without a very good reason. I was lucky to find these two photos taken from the same viewpoint of the deck house area behind the last funnel. From the troop ship to the liner the ventilation towers grow taller, ducts come and go, and the duct from the funnel loses a large horizontal pipe. This pipe is to starboard of the centerline, so in this peculiar format, it will not be modeled at all. The duct was built up and painted red to match the liner funnel since it was entirely on the starboard side of the centerline. However, it really stood out when viewed from port, so I fudged things a bit. I moved the duct slightly to port until it just touched the centerline. Then I painted that face to match the blue-green of the camouflage. On the roof of the deckhouse I made up the several sizes of blowers and skylights that I could see in the photos. At the aft end of the deckhouse are four very large blowers, two on the roof and two standing on the deck below. Between them is a small blower with a tall vertical duct that rises exactly on the centerline and had to be painted down the middle. Practice, perhaps, for the masts to come. On the starboard side is an ‘L’ shaped room fitted out with some portholes and a door. A number of lines from the antenna array lead to it, so I suppose that it is the radio shack. On the port side only a stairway leads down to the deck below. Here is the area of the third funnel all fitted out. Almost finished. It just needs the small houses that fill the notches in the aft end of the deck house In the Vaterland these were wooden sheds that stood on legs a bit off the deck. The starboard one was the florist shop and had many windows. The port one was the dog kennel. They remained during the war and for a while afterwards on the liner, but had been removed in some other photos taken later in her civilian career. I made them up from cubes of basswood set on small styrene feet. They were both sheathed in cherry veneer with window and door decals made up and printed on clear film. After a thin molding was added to the top of both, the troop ship one was painted and the decals applied. I think they give this area a nice visual grace note that would be missed if I were modeling the later configuration. The rounded fitting aft of the shed is a test piece for the hoods over the stairheads. Like the sheds they come and go, but I think I will add them if I can. Finally, the obligatory ‘here’s looking up your old centerline’ shot. Next, the roof of the bridge deckhouse, with the huge ventilator, the lookout house, and the rangefinder platform cut right in half. Till then, be well. Dan

Hi again to all who are following along with this journey, and thanks for the positive responses. I missed a post last week, so this one is longer to make up. It has a lot of pictures, so the system has made me break it into two parts. After fitting out the top of the deck house area between the first two funnels, I added the machinery which was alongside the deck house. As seen in the photo, there is a large unit in the middle, with smaller ones fore and aft. Unfortunately, this is the best photo of those elements, and the white-on-white paint makes it hard to see what is really going on. After studying that and other photos, and taking into account the recent discussion and photo of exhaust blowers, I made my best guess as to the construction of the large central unit. The one for the liner is on the left, with a small blower sitting on a large duct. The troop ship is the same, but with a small cowl vent intake. It sits here for the liner And here for the troop ship After painting, they were set in place, but not attached, so they could be moved to balance the other units in the same area. I also could see where a little more sanding of rough edges was needed. The two smaller blowers were made up as usual, while the two small engines are Bluejacket castings that were modified to more closely match the photos. I also decided to put a cap on the top duct. I realized that ducts without caps are seen only on the Vaterland. Here is how that area turned out, which can be compared to the first photo in this segment. It is close enough for government work, and since this is for the government, I think it will do. Here are the blowers and engines for the troop ship. I used a contrasting shade of grey so they would stand out for the viewer, but I may yet match them to the background and let their shapes alone set them off. Aft of the middle funnel there are a gaggle of blowers and a flock of ducts to be puzzled out. Here is the plan of the area. Although there are similarities, there are quite a few differences from side to side. The photos confirm that this lack of symmetry was present at all times in her life, so I pieced the machines together and matched them to the known information and came up with this. And here it is from a lower angle. End of part 1 Dan

Hi Keith - I'm coming into this a bit late, and the suggestions that you have already are good ones. Here is another - To follow up on Eberhard's suggestion, if the surface is to be painted, you could use a short section of 8mm brass tube slid into the hole. Fill, file smooth and paint and you will have a very clean and perfectly circular edge. You can then slide a telescoping piece of tube into the first tube with a small setback as in the photo to represent the framing of the porthole. Whatever you choose, she is looking sweet and clean. Dan

Tom - Congratulations! An excellent model and a better cabinet. Looking forward to your next project. Dan

I see that they are a well researched detail, and certainly look good there. Always nice to learn something new. Dan

Hi Marc - Welcome to the Borough of Churches. The new hip, lively, foodie - affordable - alternative to the concrete canyons. Best of all, we get to have a view of the skyline of Manhattan, while they only get to look at Brooklyn! That looks like a perfect place to work on and display the SR while in the shipyard. The work done on the bow joinder is excellent as well, and the wooden trompe l'eoil effect is very realistic. I wonder, though, about the raised fleur de lis on the inside of the gunport lids. I don't recall seeing them there in any illustrations, although my depth of knowledge does not match yours. If they were there, wouldn't they be painted, rather than being a carving that would be frequently bumped and damaged by the cannon muzzle? As for a workshop in a small apartment, read through Chapter 3 in Ship Modelers' Shop Notes (vol. 1) for some tips from modelers who did great work on a card table or small desk. There is even a long article about building a dedicated custom cabinet with doors and drawers and cubbyholes that house hundreds of tools and supplies. Lewis Britton provided not only photos, but measured scale drawings of all the parts and even his joinery details. I wouldn't expect anyone today to build one, but a modification of an IKEA cabinet might be possible.

Hi Michael - Good problem solving there. My solution would have been a lot less elegant than yours. As for the ribs - could you take square section wood and bend it to your curves, then trim to the sided dimensions that you want? It would be time consuming and wasteful of wood, but no Houdini need apply. Dan

Bob - Forgot to answer your question. I have a photo of the troop ship being loaded with coal, so I presume that the coal-to-oil conversion happened later.

Hi Roger, Bob - From careful analysis of the photos, it looks like most of the conversions took place from the Vaterland to the troop ship. This included closing off the openings in the third funnel and adding a number of new blowers around the top deck. There was also a very large ventilation unit built on top of the bridge. Lookout posts and a rangefinder platform were built on top of that. Bob is right that the troop ship needed lots of additional air movement. On one trip she carried over 14,000 people at once. After the war the conversion actually reduced the number and size of the vents, as well as modernizing some of the rest. At least that is how I interpret the images. Dan

Gary, John - Thanks, Now I won't have to redo any blowers. Dan

Gary - If I am reading the photos correctly, some of the blowers seem to be set up to move the air into the ship, rather than being an exhaust. Would they have been done that way? It matters to the way I build the ductwork. Thanks Dan

Well, shut my mouth. . . I should have known that a builder as skilled as you was way ahead of me. Dan

Hi Michael - Sweet work, and done with a hand saw. Impressive. It's probably an artifact of the photo, but my eye says that the space between your 5th and 6th bulkheads may be too large to support the arc that the planks will need to take. As usual, I could be dead wrong.😉 Dan

Hi Gary - Thanks for the quite relevant information. I was hoping someone would know the actual name of those things. Now that I know how they work it will improve my construction of the rest a bit. Dan

Hi all - Another Sunday – well, Monday – another building installment, after a nice diversion into engineering. Working now from the middle funnel down, I began with area between the middle and forward funnels. Here is the relevant section of the plans. Photo analysis provided the rest of the information needed. I started with the bases of the funnels themselves. Here are shots of the middle funnel and the forward one. The colors changed from the troop ship to the liner, but the fittings were the same. There are two types of small vents that had to be made, one with two tapering round plates, the other with a flared cross-head. Of the two, the flared head of the second made it harder to make, so I started with it. After a bunch of failed experiments, I found that I could make a flare in a tube with a pencil. A tea light gave me enough heat to soften, but not melt, the plastic. I held the pencil steady about two inches above the flame and rotated the plastic for even heating. The picture is a bit off, since I found that heating more of the pencil gave me a flare just on the very end of the tube. The flare was cleaned up a bit with sandpaper, then cut to the desired length on the Preac. A short length of brass tube was cut and glued into the flared tube, then a shaft was dished at the top and attached. There are two sizes for these vents and lots of different heights. After measuring and cutting the shafts to length the open ends were filled with toothpicks which also acted as handles for painting. Then the wood was cut off flush and drilled for a soft iron wire that will secure it to the model along with white glue. The round top plates of the other vent were made by punching out three sizes of plastic disc and stacking them so it looks like there is a gap between the top and bottom plates. This was attached to a length of dowel, which was used as a handle to sand down the top plates to a flat angle. Here are those fittings at the base of the forward funnel. I am a bit unhappy with the slightly crude look of the round vents. I could not get that edge as sharp as I wanted, since thin plastic will not take the same detail as metal. But to worry about that level of detail I would have to have 9 years to finish the model, not 9 months. All of life and art is a series of tradeoffs. Next was the area of deck just forward of the middle funnel. Here is the plan. There are a number of structures, but they are all too short to show up on any profile plan that I have, although an artist’s rendering of the cross-section of the ship gives some idea of their shapes. Photos of the area were studied closely to make out the shapes that fit the plans. But most of them are from the liner period, and some seriously creative interpretation had to be done to fit what was seen in the few troop ship photos showing this area. For the most part, the structures here are rectangular, though of different heights and a few with sloped roofs. Most have rectangular or square skylights which will be represented with dark decals. However, in the center of this photo there is a ducted fan that I call, for obvious reasons, a snail. This and other photos show this type of machinery in lots of other locations around the upper deck. They come in several sizes, with varying details, but they all follow a similar pattern. There is a round flat body with a motor on one side sitting on a motor mount. There are intake and exhaust ducts coming off at various angles, with various end caps or fittings. I experimented with styrene and resin, but I am basically a woodworker. Each body was sliced from a hardwood dowel, as was the motor. I did not try to do any detailing of the motor except in the largest sizes. When lying down the disc has its grain running vertically, so it is easy to line up a knife blade and press down vertically. The wood splits cleanly away. Ductwork the width of the body is glued to the cut face and rounded to curve into the disc. It is topped, in this case, by a rounded square cap. After priming, sanding and painting these snails were located, secured and attached to the ductwork shown on the plans or photos. There are two here, along with my best interpretations of the houses, skylights and vents. More than most other areas of the ship, this one shows the changes from the troop ship to the liner. I try to check my progress regularly against photos to be sure that I am not getting too far away from reality. Here is the developing troop ship from a low angle. I think I am on the right track. Just forward of this area there is a large belfry. This houses the largest of five bells on the ship, and the one left over from the SS Vaterland. It was built up from 1/16” scale I-beams. The pieces were gently bent around a form and rubber banded there. A dip in simmering water and a dunk in cold set the U-shapes which were joined at the top at an angle. Cross supports were added and welded in place with liquid plastic cement. After painting the bronze cast bell was mounted. Forward of the belfry is the curved roof skylight over the Social Hall with the individual lights represented by a custom decal. The camouflage scheme was carried up and over since it could be seen from the side. Photoetched railings and ladders were fitted in place as seen in the photos. From the angle of the port bridge wing the model closely resembles the ship and is starting to get the busy look that she had. Nothing draws my eye as being off and, as they say, “If it looks right, it must be right. . . “ Another segment next Sunday, god willing and the creek don't rise. Till then, be well. Dan

Hi JD - The rigging is coming along beautifully. The baggywrinkle is delightful. Dan

Hi Roger, Lou - If you send me your email addresses I can send the file with the entire cross section plans. Reproducing it here will not have the kind of resolution that you want. Dan

Hi Roger - Thanks for the info. I may never use it, but it is interesting nevertheless. Lou - Don't worry about hijacking my build log. I find these little diversions, whether in my log or another's, to be one of the better features of this site. Nils - Thanks so much. I only wish that I was on the final lap. There is a huge amount of detailing to be done, even before I get to the 70 boats with their davits and pulleys, plus over 100 life rafts on the troop ship side. Then there are the masts, and the cargo cranes, and and and . . . Dan

Hi Michael - Thanks for the warning. I haven't had that problem yet, and maybe the boiling and cooling will limit it. I will think twice before using the technique again. Dan

Hi Lou - I looked at the plans again and found two large drinking water tanks all the way aft and down near the propeller shafts. Near them are several washing water tanks, while the bilges aft of midships are all labeled as tanks for either washing or boiler feed water. These would have to be pumped up for use, so the small tanks in the funnel would probably only be called on when the power went down. If they used salt water for anything, it might have been pumped in directly from the sea, but salt deposition would be a major problem in pipes, I would think, so I am not sure that it was used. I am anything but an expert on ship design or maintenance. I mostly concern myself with outward appearance only, so I could be completely wrong here. Dan

Lou - Your question got me wondering just what was inside. According to the refit plans there is a large vent pipe that runs up along the aft side and reaches all the way to the engineering decks near the bilges. It services the restaurant galley, among other spaces. Other vents at the forward end do not have a separate pipe, they just open into the funnel at its base. That's why the Vaterland had the openings, I believe, During the war there must have been other arrangements made, but the plans don't show them.

Hi Lou - I probably agree with you, because I know that the last funnel on the Titanic was a dummy, as you say. However, although the plans indicate that there were water tanks inside the third funnel, they also indicate a smoke or steam pipe in it. In the absence of anything definitive I opted to make the top of the funnel pretty much match the other two. Dan