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  1. BANYAN
    Another warm welcome from downunder - look forward to seeing your work. cheers Pat
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    Nice repair Steven; looks very good to the eye. cheers Pat
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    Looking good Steven, she is really taking on the look of a complete ship now. cheers Pat
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    Nice to see you here Al, look forward to seeing a few more of your builds. cheers Pat
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    Extraordinary work on the aircraft - great detail at that scale. cheers Pat
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    Nice work Mike, and some very sage advice re fairing. cheers Pat
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    In my more 'recent' experience in the Service, stoppers (and nippers) were only temporary and never left rigged unless when used as sea lashing. BTW stoppers were used to hold the cable/rope while being transferred or adjusted, not to permanently take the load. It is possible that some stopper ringbolts may have been utilised but only if the required position was coincidentally co-located. A stopper needs to take the load inline with the load of the cable/rope being worked, and must therefore be correctly positioned. There may have been some allowance or tolerance for the dual use of a ringbolt, but I think it may be better practice for dedicated ringbolts for stoppers. The direction of the eye of the bolt would govern the alignment of the ring, and therefore the ease/ability of working with that ringbolt - if dual purpose, it is very likely the eye direction would have been opposed to one of the 'needs'. That said, the inhaul tackle was used to pull the gun back (out out of battery) and it may not have been so critical to be directly/centrally behind the gun. For example, if a gun had been aimed using spikes to take it off axis/boresight, the inhaul tackle would no longer be directly inline/behind - thus my argument that it being absolutely central may not be so critical - short answer, it might be possible some ringbolts were dual purpose. I am sure more knowledgeable people will provide a better answer. cheers Pat
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    Hi mate; thanks for the reference - I have that one and his (and Finchams) description of those cheeks are part of the confusion Kipping says the length of the cheek is two-fifths, but Fincham says half of the length of the masthead (3foot 6 inches by Fincham for the 'Victoria').- Kipping is not that far off - only 3 inches . The problem though is that both authors suggest the main and fore mastheads were fitted with different forms of Tops (and possibly hounds) due to the amount of chain used about the mainmast in many Steamers. 'Victoria' though used wire ropes for all shrouds so the masthead shape would have been the same on all masts. I am assuming the rounded style/form as the available imagery I have supports this. Now that I am more confident in the use of the terminology (note Kipping calls them hound pieces - in one) I can move forward from here; the next issue being to sort out the style of the Tops as the imagery I have shows two different types depending on the image I use, and which also differ from the Lower Tops described by Kipping and Fincham - the issues just don't stop I have made some decisions on these and will use a common style of Top on all masts, more aligned to the Topmast style of Tops described by Kipping and Fincham, as that is what is shown in the imagery. The difference being the use of gratings/deck battens in the tops. The photo I have shows them, and the Rigging Warrant mentions them, so rather than skeletal I will add the battens. Many thanks for the help. cheers Pat
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    Thanks again for sharing DR PR, much appreciated. The two authors of the contemporary dictionaries were A. Young (Nautical Dictionary), and H. Smythe (Sailor's Word Book). Both are available as either an eBook or PDF online. Let me know if you don't have them, or can't find them. I have found them useful being contemporary to Kipping and Fincham. As secondary sources I have been using Underhill, Campbell, Crothers and McCann. I think I am now sufficiently comfortable with the terminology as applicable to HMCSS Victoria which had single tree Lower masts, with a combined Top, Topgallant and Royal mast (Fincham is the only author to even mention the latter :). I was very happy to hear that you also found the terminology used somewhat haphazardly/interchangeable. In particular, your description/interpretation of knees is probably correct based on what I have read, certainly makes sense. In 'Victoria' all of the Lower masts had cheeks/knees with the cheek length half the length of the masthead (3 ft 6 inches in my case). Just need to find a better description for the dimensions (length and breadth in particular) for the skeletal Tops now - slowly getting there. I think I may have to rely mostly on my CAD drawing to confirm these dimensions based on the lead of the shrouds, then cross-reference to the available description to see if they conform. cheers Pat
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    Thanks DR PR, much appreciate the effort and time you have put into these very detailed responses. You hit the nail on the head when you said that the terms are used differently by almost all authors - that is what caused my confusion also. I thought I had an understanding but then the authors would discuss the same subject matter applying the terms differently That said, i think I have resolved it. I looked at a couple of contemporary nautical/marine dictionaries which all agreed that the the term 'hounds' had started to be used for 'cheeks' in this period. The one part I have not fully resolved is the use of the term 'knees' for these descriptions also. I have assumed that knees are the more modern term for the bibbs? Essentially, for single tree masts (which I am interested in) the cheeks/bibbs or hounds/knees were made from a single piece rather than fayed to each other in this period (1855). The trestletrees sat on the hounds/knees. Thanks again for the feedback, much appreciated. cheers Pat
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    The best advice will come from JIm; have you contacted him? I have had to replace the belt and it was reasonably straight forward. I think the tensioning of the belt is done by the motor's weight, so if it has stretched I don't think there is much scope for retensioning it. BUT, please confirm with Jim or more technically minded user. cheers Pat
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    Slow or not, that is some nice progress UV. Good luck with the workshop mods. cheers Pat
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    Looks good John, nice and true framing. cheers Pat
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    Spectacular work Jason; very nicely presented tackle and the stoves are a work of art! cheers Pat
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    Hi all, I am trying to sort out the terminology used by different authors, and probably relevant to different eras also. I am building a model of ship launched in 1855. The preeminent authors of this period (for masting and rigging) being Fincham and Kipping whom both published editions in 1854. Specifically, they write of the 'knees' fitted to masts under Hounds/Hounding, and being one piece, but Fincham in particular also talks about 'cheeks' separately. In earlier times I am familiar with Bibbs and Cheeks being separate. Fincham states that Knees fitted in 'Steamers' being one piece, but he and Kipping seem to use the terms Hounds, Hounding and Knees inconsistently. Under 'Cheeks', Fincham describes them being of yellow pine and describes how they were coaked and bolted. I am assuming also that the knee is the former bibb? Am I correct in assuming that these are all the one and same item(s)? That is, a single piece knee and cheek form the 'hounds'? any thanks Pat
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    Nah, you'll go straight to heaven Greg - you have done your penance already doing the cammo. My vote would be a naval cammo if it is not too late. This ship was intended for sea operations; the only reason we see their planes over land all the time is that they rarely went to sea. The exceptions being the seaplanes and maritime patrol aircraft (especially the 'Condor'); the latter had a grey colour scheme if I remember back from my youth making plastic planes - the memory cells just ain't what they used to be cheers Pat
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    If not a bridle port, perhaps a 'warping block'? Is ther one near the stern also? The HMCSS Victoria (1855) was fitted with 'warping blocks' (sometimes called transporting blocks) but have not been able to find any imagery. Just a thought. cheers Pat
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    Great job Carl; looks very good indeed. Pressure on me for the Vampire now I feel cheers Pat
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    She looks great Carl, very nice work indeed. cheers Pat
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    Astonishing detail Greg; she sure will look the part with her planes added. Have you thought of placing her in a diorama of sorts (painted background of sea horizon, sky, clouds and perhaps a plane or two flying around? cheers Pat
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    She's looking extroadingly good Rob, nice work mate. At the scale you are building good luck with the gaskets had you tried cheers Pat
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    Coming along nicely Steven. I visited the spot on the Hamble River where the remains of her hull lie during my recent trip to the UK; nothing to see but I can say I was there I can send a photo if you like? cheers Pat
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    Can't beat the Jim Byrnes disc sander for accuracy IMHO. cheers Pat
  25. BANYAN
    That is one very nice build, even without her aircraft and weapons. cheers Pat

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