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    Thanks for the feedback Eberhard and John; appreciate your suggestions. I think you may be right re the positioning of the chock as the darker section (extension) could be something else. John, WRT to the cranes, a good point and I will revert (again ) to the gooseneck option I think; however, note that "Victoria" was minimum manned (along mercantile manning standards), but that said ash removal would not have been overly onerous on the crew most of the time. I say this as one of the design considerations made by the designer ,and insisted upon by the build supervisor, was a heavier (than for similar RN ships) spars to allow her to be undersail for the majority of time (to save on fuel as suitable Coals were scarce in Australia at the time). The engines were provided to allow her to operate in any condition when in her 'saving of life at sea' role, or, if required, in battle . I have been looking for a 'direct' connection between the Contractual wording of "iron crane" and gooseneck davit (or derrick), just to verify this but have found nothing yet; may just have to run with this as an assumption. I was running with derrick as it is more crane like? I too initially, and have reverted, was thinking a more simple arrangement would have sufficed. Also, the Contract was very specific in using the term davit for the boats and the fish davit??? Oh well, yet another conundrum. Thanks again Pat
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    Hi, I think it really depends on the finish you want to apply. If painting the hull, you can edge glue with PVA or CA but if a clear, stained and varnished finish any glue will more than likely result in a 'splotchy' finish no matter how careful you are as the glue penetrates the wood. More experienced modellers may be able to give better advice. cheers Pat
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    Hi again, the distance seems OK to me but I will leave to more experienced and knowledgeable people to respond more adequately The bowsprit (outer end) for my Victoria (1855) is 23 feet (for a ship of 166 feet between perpendiculars and of 580 tons) so you are in the ball park I think ? I am unfamiliar with spritsail yards and the like so can't offer too much more to assist you; sorry. It is surprising what info is stored and what is lost. For example I have hundreds of letters written between the Crown Agency, the build Supervisor and the Governor of Victoria at the time, many of which refer to literally nearly a hundred drawings/sketches and plans - while the letters have been preserved, not a single plan or sketch has been cheers Pat
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    Hi Druxey, I read that as Main Mast above the deck 24? Asto the extension, this may relate to an extension of the head, but your ship may be a little early for that. Mid-19th C ships had extensions added to make them "Taunt" as described by Kipping and Fincham (that is tall). However, if we interpret the above deck measurement as being from the partners to the hounds (which is standard), the extension may be referring to the 'head' or doubling? cheers Pat
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    Looking good John; all very symmetrical cheers Pat
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    Hi again folks, yet another issue I am trying to resolve (well several actually) relating to the bowsprit and Jibboom (noting 1855 time frame) Q1. From Kipping I have sufficient information to dimension and shape the spars. What is not given, and not shown in any plan, is what ratio is used to determine the housing lengths (bed to step of the bowsprit, and the doubling of the jibboom onto the bowsprit. Is anyone aware of these ratios? As best I can determine the inner end of the bowsprit was only 5 feet - is this too short for a 23 foot bowsprit? Attached is a drawing I am doing which is superimposed on the profile photo of the ship. The profile and photo do not fully align as the photo is taken with the sip laying with a slight stbd bow inclination so the angles (and lengths change). Q2. You can see where I have circled or called out possible joints for the heel chock/jibboom. From what I can make out of this photo (not great quality as it was taken in 1867/8) is where I think the heel chock ends, but not sure where the butt joint is. Both options are viable according to Kipping and to Underhill, whereby some ships of this era still employed a small/short chock, whereas other ships, especially clippers, used a longer version. see other attached drawing from Underhill. I am leaning towards the latter (longer version) as there appears som rounding down (more than the proportioned shape of a jibbom) evident. that said though, this would leave a shorter housing? Hence Q1 (part 2) Q3. the last question relates to interpreting the bopwcap as shown in the image. My read is that as it is so close fitting it is more likely to be an iron cap rather the squarer and larger wooden (old style) cap? All comments ans suggestions most welcomed. cheers Pat
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    Thanks Eberhard, I've not found much either. I have assumed ash chutes as there is some reference to these in contemporary ship plans, and I have read that the ash, once raised was transferred by wheelbarrow to the lee chutes for disposal. The Contract called for portable 'iron cranes' which I read as 'shiftable' So three options; a gooseneck arrangement, a derrick arrangement or a full on crane. The NMM has sketches for two such cranes for this period, but they appear a little large and will have been obvious in the imagery. My assumption then is that when required the crane would be moved to the 'lee side' and would only need a reach to service the hatch and barrows. If a derrick was used, the reach may have been sufficient to allow the ash to be dumped overboard without transfer to a barrow. The derrick could be dismantled easily when not required and maybe why it cannot be seen in the imagery. I am leaning towards the simple derrick crane shown below. cheers Pat
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    Nice production run Steven (cheaper by the dozen ) cheers Pat
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    That cap rail sets the deck off beautifully Keith, love the tone of that darker timber cheers Pat
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    I have recently been transcribing a lot of documents and found the 'running' writing sometimes scrawled/written quickly could be hard to read. To my eye that word is Sprit (as in the sprit yard/sail) as fitted to the bowsprit/jib? It looks like the writer didn't close up the 'p' and uses the old english form of 'r' making it appear like a separate letter? Just one further interpretation cheers Pat
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    Thanks Tim, look forward to seeing the progress on this wonderful model. cheers Pat
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    Looks a good fit Michael; once you have the ladder sorted you will be in a good position to determine how the other gear/furniture will fit.. cheers Pat
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    Look forward to it Matrim; looks like you have researched her fairly thoroughly. cheers Pat
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    Nice work on the spars and rigging; coming along very nicely Augustus. cheers Pat
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    Hi Keith, could these be a more modern version of the 'compressor/chain stop' used in ships from the mid-19th century. They used a cam arrangement to lift or raise the cable; when raised the bottom created a smaooth surface allowing the cable to run, when lowered it formed a depression into which a link would fall then be 'stopped'. As a final 'safety, a guillotine could be lowered/screwed down to lock the chain in place. The mechanism was controlled by a tackle fitted to the lever in the early days. Attached is a versions from the 1850's manufactured by Browne and Harfield (patented by them). The general shape of your sort of alludes to something similar. Have you search chain controller or chain compressor in the yacht chandlers web sites? Probably have but just in case. cheers Pat
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    Geez that looks good Keith, really neat. Ah, I'm not the only one then (forgetting things that is!) cheers Pat
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    Looks like you are well and truly on top of this Keith (pun intended ). I very much like the idea of the slot with sliding cams to help retain the rail in place and at the correct displacement against the bulwark. In hindsight I also wish I had thought of painting and masking the hull before adding the cap rail, as painting that proved a source of some exasperation cheers Pat
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    Beautiful work as always Doris, your craftsmanship and the quality of the work continue to inspire. cheers Pat
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    John, Michael, Carl, Keith, Druxey, Eberhard - thank you all for your very kind comments and encouragement; but as we all know we are our own worst critics Thanks also for the advice re turning acrylic; I have noted that all away. I think my issue is turning speed as I have put the 10K rpm mod onto my lathe to get the higher turning speeds required for a clean wood finish. The lowest speed is mid 1-2 k rpm, which is probably still too fast Anyway it is done now and I am onto to completing the pivot gun as best I can. Still some research required on the subject of 'ship's cranes as I need to make that decision very soon. The Contract called for 'two cranes' for ash removal. Still not sure what way to go, as I would have thought a 'goose neck' davit would have been the go, but as the Contract was specific for the 'fish davit' I think they may have specified it as such. That said, a full blown crane seems a bit excessive and there is nothing showing on the imagery. Cranes were around at the time and I have found two 'possible' illustrations/drawings of such items in the NMM (for this specific period) but they seem too big. As far as I can tell, a simple goose neck davit over the hatch would have done the trick? Any ideas? cheers Pat
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    Hi Steven, a pity the paper doers not provide better evidence (and discussion) for your build. This seems a common theme in some maritime subjects where authors all disagree with each other rather than getting together to try and find common ground and then develop the 'thesis' etc from there Ayt least you now know you can discount that paper. Happy New Yeatr cheers Pat
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    That looks so very realistic Michael; very nice work cheers Pat
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    Niiice; you'll be done before you know it Rob. Happy New Year cheers Pat
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    Exquisite! cheers Pat
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    Allan, I am currently building at 1:72 but am finding it more and more difficult to add the level of detail I would like (although EdT seems to be able to accomplish it ) All future builds will be at 1:40 for the reasons already given, PLUS there is a much larger 'after market' for some bits and bobs you may wish to purchase rather than scratch build. cheers Pat
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    Thanks John, this is what they should have looked like . Happy New Year to you both and wishing you a safe and fulfilling 2020 cheers Pat

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