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Hi Looks like a nice subject and a nice contrast to vanguard. I wonder whether the slight difference in scale will be noticable (in terms of fiddliness) once you're working on the fittings? Hope you don't mind if I pull up a chair. Rob

This is so helpful as I'm just starting out on the quarter galleries myself... They look amazing! If mine turn out half as good I'll be very happy.

Lookimg great!

Thanks. I can't take any credit for the choice of blue. It's the same as on yours... the tamiya flat blue xf-18 I think? Though I'm not at my boat building table to check at the moment.

Another minor update... Last night I filled the gap between the (castello) boxwood beakhead replacement and the false keel, and this morning I sanded it smooth, narrowing the beakhead a little so it tapers as it goes down towards the keel. I also took the opportunity to smooth the beakhead a little so it's a curved profile at the front. Once that was done, I was able to finish the coppering on the starboard side... (phew!) I'm glad this hull isn't any bigger - all those Agamemnon builders have my respect - their patience is considerable! That said, I find coppering fairly enjoyable once I got into the swing of it. It isn't perfect, and there are far better examples on this site, but I'm really happy with it. I might start on the quarter galleries before I copper the other side - I fancy doing something different for a bit! Rob

I spent some time remarking the waterline (somehow, it was way off!) and then fixing a thin boxwood strip in place to make sure it was neat... the copper runs up to this plate. The waterline was marked by attaching the hull right way up to the table with masking tape (with a 6mm block under the keel at the bow to get the waterline level as per AOTS plans), and then using a sturdy tin with a retractable pencil attached to it to slide around the hull and make the mark. The benefit of a retractable pencil is that when you get to the stern overhang, you can extend the pencil led (carefully) and keep on marking... Otherwise the hull gets in the way. It isn't sophisticated, but it works for me. A whole evening was spent making sure the strips were in just the right place. The coppering continues, but as I reached the bow it became necessary to finally fix the boxwood beakhead in place, checking the angle of the bowsprit as I went (using an x-acto knife handle.) I wasn't happy with the coppering lines at the stern, so lifted 20 or so copper tiles and re-laid them. And finally... I was walking past Sherborne a couple of days ago, and the morning sun was coming in through the window, and it looked like this... a strong argument for putting sails on your models? Have a blessed Christmas!

I think I'm right in saying that Ray switched to beech for the rails on his fantastic HMS Diana precisely because it would bend so well when steamed. It seems to be a strength of beech wood and I noted it down because I'll need to follow in his footsteps when I get to that point. Link to Ray's post about Beech rails Fantastic build! This model is well up there on my "would like to build" list so I'm following with great interest.

That hull looks fantastic now!

Hi all, Thanks for the likes and encouragement. Jason: Yes, I had noticed those concealed gun ports... I'm hoping I'll be able to work them into the stern fascia when I get that far. It's amazing the way the space on these ships were used in so many different ways. I'm glad I wasn't the one getting the table ready for the officer's dinner after the ship's company had pulling a wet anchor cable through that space on a stormy day! Another reminder what a different world it was. In the meantime, I'm making progress with the hull coppering. Given how long this task takes, in a confined space, I invested in a proper mask to protect my lungs from the superglue. (If anyone's interested it was a "3M model 4251 Maintenance-Free Organic Vapour/Particulate" mask). The difference is stark. Once it's on, I can't smell the superglue, and after at least 7 hours so far, I haven't noticed any adverse effect. Previously, when I did the coppering on Pickle (much smaller!), I was noticing after a day working on it, I was wheezing. So - I have not stocks in masks, but I'd strongly recommend this as essential not optional if you're doing a boat this size. I use a stick with blue tack on the end to hold the tile, then I use another offcut of first planking material to put superglue onto the back of the tile. The blue-tak holder is then used to position the tile, and hold it in place until dry. The superglue gives just enough time to push it up against the neighbouring tiles before it sets. This method seems to result in very little superglue going in the wrong place. You'll notice that I've put masking tape on the parts of the hull that will be exposed when finished. Early on I had a tile drop, thankfully onto the part of the hull that will be covered up, and it left a dark mark on the planking. I don't want that to happen to all that lovely boxwood! Any tiles that don't quite go in the right place can be gently lifted off with a craft knife. I've left the pot of tiles open in the hope that they'll all start tarnishing at the same time. I shuffle the pot round occasionally to give all the tiles a chance to get some air. Finally, a near escape, and a lesson that I should have already learned! I decided to move the table the boat was on, and thought to myself - "I'm only moving it a few metres - it'll be fine...I'll leave the boat on the table while I move it... " Well, the table leg got caught, and before I knew it the table had stopped but the hull was sliding towards the edge of it... Suffice it to say I had no time to do anything but cry out... Thankfully the hull slid half off the side of the table, and then stopped, and I was able to catch it... !!! To say I was shaken is an understatement. It would have dropped five feet onto a wooden floor... Anyway - by the grace of God, and with no thanks to my own stupidity and laziness - the model lived for another day! An advanced new years resolution! Don't be lazy. Move the boat somewhere safe. THEN move the table. Time will tell whether I've learned my lesson fully enough! Happy building to you all. Rob

Brilliant - Nelson's favourite! Looking forward to following this log.

Hi What a stunning build! Reading your comments on Nelson and his patch reminded me of this section from Sugden's wonderful two part biography which may be of interest "Legend depicts Nelson with a ridiculous black eyepatch, as if hiding an empty socket, but his many portraits and the few descriptions suggest that time more or less restored the appearance of the injured organ. Only the fine pastel made by Johann Schmidt of Dresden in 1800 depicts the slightly clouded aspect it presented to more intent observers. Nelson’s ‘beauty’ survived, but his vision was irreparably damaged." - John Sugden, A Dream of Glory, ch XIX.6 So your figure is already an excellent likeness. Take care Rob

I like that stand - it looks really smart

Yay! The planking's complete. I'd be further along, but last week my wife said - why don't you take the day and get down to Portsmouth Historic Dockyard - frankly, I didn't have to be asked twice. Not least because I'd already got the annual ticket. Anyway - the planking's complete, and I've marked up and painted the blue section on both sides. I've also completed the lower counter planking. Interestingly, wandering round Victory I noticed that the port in the lower counter on Victory IS a gunport... but if that were the case on Ethalion, the port would be on the lower deck - an odd place to have cannon... I was struggling to get hold of 2mm boxwood in the UK, until I realised that Guitar Stringing (the stuff they put on the edges round the body) is 6x2mm and you can get it in castello boxwood. I've bought a bunch of it, and I'm planning to use it for the companionways and gratings. I put a sheet of sandpaper inside a stock pot to sand the curve into the top. It's the perfect radius. Once I was satisfied that was going to work, it was time to get on with the hull again. And following the lead of Jason (Beef Wellington) and Ray, I've decided to copper the hull earlier than the instructions suggest. One day in and I'm about 150 plates in to the task... It just about feels like I've made a dent in the task! Each tile is picked up with a stick with inverted duct tape on the end, and a little CA applied to the back with another stick. Then it's placed on the hull, with just enough time to position it before it sticks. I painted the hull below the the waterline black to seal it a little before I started the coppering - that stops the CA leaching away into the hull... I was getting through a lot of CA on the first few tiles before I realised that was the problem! I'm using the Caldercraft copper... I quite like the effect, even if the rivets are way too pronounced for scale, and once it's gained its patina it becomes less noticeable. As it stands, it's looking way too bling for my tastes, but time will fix that I figure I'm going to be coppering for a while, but I shall retreat to working on the quarter galleries if I need a break. Happy building. Rob

The white really compliments the rest beautifully. Nice!

Looking forward to seeing another Syren come together. Sounds like you've already found some excellent places to look for inspiration ways to go about each task. All the best for your build(s) Rob

Wow. Congratulations on a fabulous model!

Hi David, Hope all's well with you? How are you getting on with Diana? Have you got the gunports cut out yet? Looking forward to seeing your progress. Rob

Here's a slightly better picture of the second planking of the lower counter underway with the lower deck ports.

Thanks to everyone for the likes, Thanks Old Collingwood for the encouragement. And thanks TigerSteve, donrobinson and Beef Welljngton for the advice on wipe on poly. I think a bit more detail needs to go on the hull (decorative strips etc.. ) before I varnish... but your advice is very helpful.

A small update. There isn't much to report. Just to say that I'm still planking up and down from the wale, and up from the keel on the port side. There's no way to hurry it... it just takes as long as it takes. I also trimmed back the bow planking to allow the beakhead replacement part to be inserted again. Ah yes, and a few days ago, I put the second planking on the lower counter, and included the ports. I’ve noticed that in Anatomy of the Ship, Diana, those ports on the lower counter don't seem to be gun ports at all… at least, they aren’t marked as such. They’re ports, yes, but as far as I can tell, the stern-chasers would have been fired from the captain’s quarter’s on the upper deck. The gunports there are extensions of the transom windows. Instead, the ports on the lower deck are far smaller. Perhaps a gun could have been fired through them, but would it have been smaller calibre…? presumably, in anything but a light sea, it would have been far too close to the water to want to fire a gun from there. AOTS shows the lower deck ports as being approx. 8mm square… (including extending the height because the counter is angled on the diagrams)… the Caldercraft plans show these ports as being approx 12.5mm square. I've followed AOTS on this one. You can just about make them out in the picture below... That's it for now. Happy building. Rob

Mind if I add my tuppence on taking photos? If you're outside, I'd try shade (with the background in shade) or a cloudy day. Direct sunlight tends to cause burn out (where the whites and blacks have no detail vecause the sensor in the camera can't cope with the extreme range)... clouds act as a natural diffuser. If you can get a background that's a long way behind the model you may be able to get it blurred (setting the aperture to be wide - a small f number accomplishes this too) and that helps to make the detail stick out more. That said, your pictures to this point show a very handsome model!

Thanks so much for the encouraging comments. I'm really pleased with the colour of the boxwood - it's really lovely stuff! I've been wondering about the finish - I've noticed that Minwax wipe on poly seems to be a favourite with many, but it's hard to get hold of in the UK. Any suggestions of what I might use in its place? And have others used a Satin or Matt finish?... I've noticed there are water-based and solvent based versions, and I think someone had said the solvent version might give a more rich colour? (I guess a test is called for, but I can't run to buying every varnish in the shop just to try them out ) In the past, I've tended to go with a Matt finish, but it'd be nice to really show this wood off. Finally, should I only varnish the areas that won't have paint on them, or the whole...? Lots of new questions tell me I'm heading for a new stage of the build! Take care Rob

A small update... I've finished planking the starboard side (all except for a tiny stealer, anyway). The walnut below the waterline will be covered up with copper tiles.

Fantastic! This was the first wooden model I built. Such a lovely model to work on... well designed, brilliant instructions (streets apart from Caldercraft's earlier models) and plans, and makes up into a really handsome model (although I'm sure yours will be streets ahead of my humble efforts). Hope you don't mind if I pull up a chair too. I notice that your first bulkhead from the bow doesn't suffer from the uneven top that mine had.

Wow. I love this bit of the build where the deck - and so the ship - starts to spring to life. It begins to feel like a place you could walk round. Great work.... and an inspiration for when I reach this stage. Love the bitts and manger!