Maury S Posted June 25, 2015 #31 Posted June 25, 2015 Mike, Your stern frames look great. Very clean. Maury Stuntflyer and Kurt Johnson 2 Quote Current diversion: Anchor Hoy c 1815 - 1825 1:48 scale Recent Builds: Fair American: 18th C. Longboat: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/2284-longboat-18th-c-by-maury-modelshipways-by-chuck/ Echo Cross Section: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/513-echo-cross-section-by-maury/ Emma C. Berry http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/203-emma-c-berry-132-pof-by-maury/
Stuntflyer Posted July 6, 2015 Author #32 Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) Bob, it was nice meeting you too. I will be following your Cheerful log which is looking great,btw! While planking the counter and transom, I ran into a few issues that had to be resolved. The back of the stern frames had to be shimmed an additional 1/32" so that the counter planking would sit 1/8" above the square tuck filler piece. This is important because the square tuck is 1/8" thick and should be close to flush with the counter planking before sanding. While planking the transom I noticed that the last 3/16" plank would not cover the remaining stern frames, so I went with a wider 1/4" plank. If I had gone with a 3/16" plank, I would not have been able to achieve the proper curve at the top of the transom. I didn't think of it at the time but I could have used a tick strip to determine the proper width for the four planks. Edited December 13, 2015 by Stuntflyer mtaylor, KenW, Maury S and 10 others 13 Quote Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
rafine Posted July 6, 2015 #33 Posted July 6, 2015 You seem to have resolved your issues beautifully. The planking looks great. Bob Stuntflyer 1 Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
Stuntflyer Posted July 9, 2015 Author #34 Posted July 9, 2015 (edited) Just wanted to post a small update that took a lot of trial and error to get halfway right. The result, seen here, is the first of the two fashion pieces. Edited December 13, 2015 by Stuntflyer AnobiumPunctatum, rafine, Rustyj and 10 others 13 Quote Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
AnobiumPunctatum Posted July 10, 2015 #35 Posted July 10, 2015 Very accurate planking job. I like it very much. Quote Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali
Stuntflyer Posted July 10, 2015 Author #36 Posted July 10, 2015 (edited) I decided today to re-do the fashion piece. Too much taper at the bottom and the slightly widening section at the top really bothered me. The piece was easy to remove since I used PVA to adhere it. I made another and more accurate card stock template of the shape. This time I traced the shape onto the hull so I could see what the piece would look like once installed. I glued the piece to the hull with the tracing just showing outside the fashion piece. When the fashion piece was dry I removed the pencil marks with some alcohol on a Q-tip. At the bottom of the fashion piece the curve is quite pronounced and it is important to get a tight fit between the fashion piece and the first layer wales. I was able to finesse the curve a bit more by using a cloths iron. I adhered this area with CA. Although it might be hard to see in the photos (as the fashion piece angles inward at the bottom) the result seems closer to what the plans call for, I think. Edited December 13, 2015 by Stuntflyer AnobiumPunctatum, rafine, KenW and 2 others 5 Quote Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
Stuntflyer Posted July 10, 2015 Author #37 Posted July 10, 2015 (edited) I wish I could say that I'm done making these fashion pieces but I can't. Gonna give it another try as I think I can do better. Hat's off to those who manage to get it right the first time. Edited December 13, 2015 by Stuntflyer rafine, mtaylor, AnobiumPunctatum and 1 other 4 Quote Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
KenW Posted July 10, 2015 #38 Posted July 10, 2015 The last effort looks pretty good in the photos. But if you aren't happy with it, you will forever wish you tried again. Best of luck. mtaylor, Canute and Stuntflyer 3 Quote Ken NO PIRACY 4 ME! (SUPPORTING CHUCKS' IDEA) Current Build: Washington 1776 Galley Completed Builds: Pilot Boat Mary (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Continental Boat Providence (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Continental Ship Independence (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Rattlesnake (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Armed Virginia Sloop (from Completed Gallery) Fair American (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build Log) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey Nautical Research Guild
Stuntflyer Posted July 11, 2015 Author #39 Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) After four previous attempts I can say that I'm now happy with the way these fashion pieces look. The first photo shows were the counter has more curve at the bottom compared to the template. I was trying to shape the fashion pieces to follow the curve of the counter. This resulted in the pieces being too wide and misshaped. It might not look like much but trying to cover this area of the counter with the fashion pieces changes everything. The solution was to shape the fashion piece correctly and sand the counter, if necessary, to blend into the shape of the fashion piece. To be honest, very little sanding was necessary which really surprised me. In addition, it wasn't necessary to force the bottom of the fashion piece to a more pronounced curve like I had to before. Once installed they were sanded down to roughly 3/64" in thickness. Now the pieces have a gentle curve and a more delicate shape overall. Edited December 13, 2015 by Stuntflyer Rustyj, GuntherMT, lb0190 and 12 others 15 Quote Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
Jay 1 Posted July 11, 2015 #40 Posted July 11, 2015 Mike, your latest go with the fashion pieces look excellent! Also thanks for sharing your experiences with these along with how you solved getting them to look right--very much appreciated! Cheers, Jay Canute and Stuntflyer 2 Quote Current Build: Ariel
rafine Posted July 12, 2015 #41 Posted July 12, 2015 Really nicely done Mike. Bob Stuntflyer 1 Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
Stuntflyer Posted July 13, 2015 Author #42 Posted July 13, 2015 Bob, Jay, thanks! I really do appreciate all the comments and "likes". I'm getting ready to do the second layer of the wales. I hoping to get them done on the first try this time. My difficulty in making the fashion pieces was enough to make me rethink my approach to the various tasks ahead. Anyway, I should have something to show this week if all goes well. Mike Jay 1 and Canute 2 Quote Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
Stuntflyer Posted July 14, 2015 Author #43 Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) Before adding the second layer of wales I applied a coat of Wipe-on poly to the planking. The wales were gradually reduced in thickness about 1" from the stem until they were almost paper thin. Trying to paint the upper wales edges while on the ship is not something I would be comfortable doing. With that in mind I prepainted the edge that would be close to the planking and stem. When gluing the wales, I tried to use as little glue as possible as I wanted to avoid any glue seepage past the painted edge. There was some seepage, though very little, and I was able to remove it easily using a moistened Q-tip. Now I just need to finish painting the wales before starting on the remaining hull planking. Edited July 16, 2015 by Stuntflyer GuntherMT, lb0190, rafine and 8 others 11 Quote Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
Maury S Posted July 16, 2015 #44 Posted July 16, 2015 Mike, Remember, it will take 5 or 6 coats of well thinned paint to get a great look. Maury Canute and Stuntflyer 2 Quote Current diversion: Anchor Hoy c 1815 - 1825 1:48 scale Recent Builds: Fair American: 18th C. Longboat: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/2284-longboat-18th-c-by-maury-modelshipways-by-chuck/ Echo Cross Section: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/513-echo-cross-section-by-maury/ Emma C. Berry http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/203-emma-c-berry-132-pof-by-maury/
Stuntflyer Posted July 16, 2015 Author #45 Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) Maury - I see what you mean. I've applied three thinned coats so far, each one looking better than the one before. It still needs more. Edited July 16, 2015 by Stuntflyer Canute 1 Quote Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
Stuntflyer Posted July 22, 2015 Author #46 Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) After applying seven coats of black onto the wales, possibly more still needed, I'm finally ready to move onto the next chapter. The first two belts of planking below the wales are completed. My tendency to complicate things got in the way of my progress. I first tried making the drop planks from 1/4" stock only to find out that it was not wide enough. In the end I just followed the instructions. I made them from a small piece of 1/16" sheet reduced to 3/64" using the thickness sander. That worked out just fine. Edited October 26, 2015 by Stuntflyer archjofo, rafine, PeteB and 10 others 13 Quote Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
Maury S Posted July 22, 2015 #47 Posted July 22, 2015 Looking good! Maury Stuntflyer 1 Quote Current diversion: Anchor Hoy c 1815 - 1825 1:48 scale Recent Builds: Fair American: 18th C. Longboat: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/2284-longboat-18th-c-by-maury-modelshipways-by-chuck/ Echo Cross Section: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/513-echo-cross-section-by-maury/ Emma C. Berry http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/203-emma-c-berry-132-pof-by-maury/
Ian B Posted July 22, 2015 #48 Posted July 22, 2015 ha ha, looks great and lovely workman ship, I am glad it is just not me that does not always read Chucks super instructions , mtaylor and Stuntflyer 2 Quote HMAV Bounty 'Billings' completed ⛵ HMS Cheerful - Syren-Chuck' completed Steam Pinnace 199 'Billings bashed' - completed ⚓ HMS Ledbury F30 --White Ensign -completed 😎 HMS Vanguard 'Victory models'-- completed Bismarck Amati 1/200 --underway 👍
rafine Posted July 22, 2015 #49 Posted July 22, 2015 Looks great Mike. I'm still glad that you're staying ahead of me. Bob Stuntflyer 1 Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
Jason Posted July 22, 2015 #50 Posted July 22, 2015 Your build is looking really nice and clean! Stuntflyer 1 Quote -- Jason www.crowntimberyard.com Current Builds: US Brig Syren MS Imperial Russian Cruiser Varyag - Artwox Model Echo Cross Section: SMSNJ Group Build Completed Builds: 18th Century Longboat MS USS Olympia Encore Member: Nautical Research Guild (NRG)
Stuntflyer Posted July 22, 2015 Author #51 Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) Maury, Jason, thanks! Ian - I actually did read the instructions. I was just over thinking the process. Bob - Ha ha! we'll see who ends up being the follower. Mike Edited July 23, 2015 by Stuntflyer mtaylor and rafine 2 Quote Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
Mirabell61 Posted July 23, 2015 #52 Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) Nice Progress Mike, "Cheerful" is looking great... And Happy birthday Mike ! Nils Edited July 23, 2015 by Mirabell61 Stuntflyer 1 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
Stuntflyer Posted July 23, 2015 Author #53 Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) With those last two planks installed, I could see where I over sanded a few of the bulkheads in the fairing process. I found five areas that needed a 1/64± shim. I ripped them from some laser cut soft ply I had lying around. Once glued, I sanded them to the proper curve. Edited July 24, 2015 by Stuntflyer Rustyj, fatih79, Ryland Craze and 12 others 15 Quote Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
Stuntflyer Posted July 25, 2015 Author #54 Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) I spent several hours lining out the hull. I marked all the bulkheads aft of the first four with a tick mark for 3/16" strakes. The result was that most of the bulkheads have strakes that will be 3/16" for the next eight. The first four bulkheads at the bow will require tapering of each plank. I was hoping that all of the bulkheads aft of those four would not need any tapering. It turns out that the two last bulkheads will require some plank tapering. The arrows show that the lining out misses the tick mark by a 1/16". The bulkhead before it by less than 1/32" I'm really hoping that I didn't do something wrong. It seems odd that these two tick marks didn't line up with the tape where all the others aft of the first four bulkheads did. The result was almost identical for both sides. Edited July 25, 2015 by Stuntflyer tadheus, KenW, Archi and 13 others 16 Quote Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
Chuck Posted July 25, 2015 #55 Posted July 25, 2015 Dont overthink it......it looks perfect. I think the planking will go just fine. Its about what I had too more or less. That little bit wont matter and it could be so many factors. Press on with the planking. Chuck Erik W, Ryland Craze, KenW and 6 others 9 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY
Stuntflyer Posted July 25, 2015 Author #56 Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) Thanks Chuck! Mike Edited July 25, 2015 by Stuntflyer Quote Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
Stuntflyer Posted August 15, 2015 Author #57 Posted August 15, 2015 Over the past three weeks I've been able to complete the planking of first belt below the wales. All of the edge bending was done as described in chapter four. The learning process was a lot of fun and I highly recommend giving the technique a try. Jack12477, egkb, Jay 1 and 12 others 15 Quote Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
Chuck Posted August 15, 2015 #58 Posted August 15, 2015 Very well done!!!b That looks great.... Its so nice I want to trade models Mike Chuck Stuntflyer, Canute, Erik W and 1 other 4 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY
Stuntflyer Posted August 15, 2015 Author #59 Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) Chuck, Thank you for the very kind words. Anytime you want to trade I will be the first in line. You give all of us something to aspire to. Mike Edited August 15, 2015 by Stuntflyer Erik W, mtaylor, Ryland Craze and 2 others 5 Quote Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
Erik W Posted August 15, 2015 #60 Posted August 15, 2015 Mike, That looks fabulous! You really do have a knack for planking. Erik Stuntflyer and mtaylor 2 Quote Current build: HM Cutter Cheerful - Scratch Build - 1:48Finished build: 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways - 1:48
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