SawdustDave Posted December 23, 2016 Share #1 Posted December 23, 2016 This, being the first day of progress in my effort to scratch build one of the truly great war ships in naval history, I am hopeful that I will be able to do reasonable justice to "Old Iron Sides". I should begin with thanks to Tom ("usedtosail") and John ("mundie") for their valuable assistance in helping me get up and running on this project. Folks like these guys are a perfect example of what makes MSW such a great community. One quick note about scale.... A new experience for me has been the task of changing the scale of plan sheets - in this case, from 1:76.8 to 1:60. Many of my friends being aware of my initial thoughts of building the Connie at a scale of 1:50th. Then after receiving the plan sheets I discovered that the size of the model, as designed by Model Shipways, is already very large....and that converting the scale to 1:50th was pretty much unreasonable. Playing around with scale for a couple of days led to a conclusion that 1:60th is about the maximum size I can reasonably do. Why not just build her at the plan scale? For a scratch builder, "bigger is better" in terms of creating detail.... So, for what it's worth, here we go "splishing and asplashing"! Omega1234, Ryland Craze, Rustyj and 13 others 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted December 23, 2016 Share #2 Posted December 23, 2016 Count me in! I get a front row seat for once ! Omega1234, jablackwell, Piet and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted December 23, 2016 Share #3 Posted December 23, 2016 Very cool! Nice of you to donate it too. Is the model going to come in a little over 5 feet in length? Omega1234, mtaylor, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawdustDave Posted December 23, 2016 Author Share #4 Posted December 23, 2016 SCALE....If, like me, you don't have a real perspective in terms of the difference between scale sizes. here's a little visual you will appreciate.This is what made me say "Holy She It"! when I first saw the difference in the size of this bulkhead part. Now, as the saying goes "You get the picture". Omega1234, zoly99sask, Elijah and 11 others 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted December 23, 2016 Share #5 Posted December 23, 2016 Are you adding masts and rigging? That will make for a really tall model at that size Piet, Canute, Elijah and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawdustDave Posted December 23, 2016 Author Share #6 Posted December 23, 2016 (edited) First Progress Report....Great to be making sawdust again after finishing up the Sovereign of The Seas build.Here's a little tip for scratch builders.... kit modelers seldom have to do this....Cutting out parts on the band saw: Rather than try to trace the shape of your parts onto a piece of lumber, it is much more accurate to glue the plan drawing directly onto the surface of your lumber and make your cuts after the glue has set for about 30 minutes.This allows you to optimize the layout and reduce the material waste. Also, the issue of tracing a part actually increases the size of the part for obvious reasons. Seen here, I make a rough tracing of the part simply to define the area I want to spread the white glue.Then apply white glue to the marked area and smooth out with your finger.Then apply the drawing and smooth out with your finger. Let it set up for about 30 minutes........... Ready to make some sawdust! Edited December 23, 2016 by SawdustDave Geoff Matson, zoly99sask, Jack12477 and 15 others 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtosail Posted December 23, 2016 Share #7 Posted December 23, 2016 Dave,I am pumped to follow along with your build. I can't wait to see the details you can add at that scale. And I am very happy to be of help as you proceed. Of course, I am two years into my build so some of the procedures I used in the beginning are slipping into the fog... JesseLee, CaptainSteve, Piet and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawdustDave Posted December 23, 2016 Author Share #8 Posted December 23, 2016 Hi Mike - Thanks for dropping in. Yep.... masts and rigging for sure.Yep.... She's gonna be a big ol girl for sure. Thankfully, I will not have to worry about finding a place to display her in my house. Piet, JesseLee, Canute and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawdustDave Posted December 23, 2016 Author Share #9 Posted December 23, 2016 (edited) One more quick tip....Just for those friends just getting in to the hobby. I find it really helpful to use this little digital timer to make sure I allow my glue-up's to dry properly before handling them.It's so easy to lose track of time, or become impatient and grab an assembly before the glue is fully cured.Seen here, the three main keel parts have been placed on my table saw top with two heavy tool boxes securing the joints while the joints are curing for an hour.The timer will alarm after the set time, as a reminder that I can begin handling the assembly. Edited December 23, 2016 by SawdustDave Piet, CaptainSteve, mtaylor and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawdustDave Posted December 23, 2016 Author Share #10 Posted December 23, 2016 (edited) Clamps of every size and shape is the bread and butter of every woodworker....right? The width of the lumber used to create the three main keel parts was about 1/4" too narrow for the pattern. So it is necessary to add a strip to the bottom edge of the assembly. Not bad actually, as the solid continuous strip strengthens the joint between the three large parts. Once cured, I will be able to trace out the bottom line and cut the full assembly to it's final shape. Edited December 23, 2016 by SawdustDave mmdd, Jack12477, Geoff Matson and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6ohiocav Posted December 23, 2016 Share #11 Posted December 23, 2016 Dave, Would you mind sharing with me the source of your plans for your this exciting build? Are they available for purchase to others with scratch built Constitution fever? Canute, CaptainSteve, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuda1949 Posted December 23, 2016 Share #12 Posted December 23, 2016 Dave, Once again I am pulling up a chair to watch with amazement of the building of the Connie. Al SawdustDave, mtaylor, CaptainSteve and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawdustDave Posted December 23, 2016 Author Share #13 Posted December 23, 2016 Darrell.... All I can say is that I have many friends who have given me sets of plans after they have finished their build and no longer need them. I did find a site with plan sheets for the Connie, but found them to be considerably inferior for my taste. Just do a GOOGLE search on "free plans for USS Constitution"..... actually costs $2. Piet, Elijah, CaptainSteve and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted December 23, 2016 Share #14 Posted December 23, 2016 Just beware of the pirated plans... Model Expo will sell their plans. SawdustDave, Piet, CaptainSteve and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted December 23, 2016 Share #15 Posted December 23, 2016 G'day Dave I'll be front and (almost) Centre watching this exciting build. One question though. Did you have a straight edge order the false keel while it was clamped together? I assume you did. Havagooday my friend Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseLee Posted December 23, 2016 Share #16 Posted December 23, 2016 Count me in too Dave. Jesse Elijah, mtaylor, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawdustDave Posted December 23, 2016 Author Share #17 Posted December 23, 2016 Hi Greg.... Referring to posting #10 above- that photo shows the clamping of the single 1/2" wide strip I added to the bottom of the assembly which was necessary for me to get the complete width BEFORE adding the false keel pieces. In other words, the false keel has not yet been added. But....yes I did use a straight edge AND "C clamps" in that glue-up. Welcome Al Jesse and Mark. Elijah, Cuda1949, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted December 23, 2016 Share #18 Posted December 23, 2016 Nice to see such an early start (having just finished your last) build Dave. 1/60 is a good scale to work with, just the right size for detail; after your last effort I look forward to what you do here. Now you have embarrassed me into getting going with the Victoria Have a safe and happy festive season and happy modelling in 2017 mate. cheers Pat Piet, Elijah, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted December 23, 2016 Share #19 Posted December 23, 2016 Dave, have to follow a TarHeel build of Connie. Count me in. JesseLee, Piet, SawdustDave and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted December 23, 2016 Share #20 Posted December 23, 2016 Count me in also, Dave Piet, Elijah, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawdustDave Posted December 23, 2016 Author Share #21 Posted December 23, 2016 Jack, Ken, Pat.... Great to have you checking in from the start. Might as well go for it Pat...Blame me if you must. Dave mtaylor, Omega1234, Piet and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawdustDave Posted December 27, 2016 Author Share #22 Posted December 27, 2016 (edited) Cutting out bulkheads.... I'm not sure if this posting makes much of a real contribution to my experienced friends, however.... I'm hoping a few modelers taking their first shot at scratch building might find it helpful.Creating the bulkheads from plan sheet patterns can be a rather lengthy process, requiring several stages of development..... printing the patterns, rough cutting plywood blanks for applying patterns, gluing patterns onto the plywood blanks, then cutting out the patterns, cleaning up the cutout part and fitting to the model. The bulkhead patterns seen here demonstrate an example of an issue faced by the scratch builder.In order to remove the material from the two spaces within the bulkhead with a band saw, it is necessary to cut through the top of the pattern. After removing the entire area, I have simply inserted a replacement center post and added a space filler where I made the cut.These three bulkheads are used to show the three stages. The yellow one is a plywood blank with a pattern glued and allowed to cure for at least an hour. Of course, I should note that using a scroll saw does eliminate the need to cut into the pattern. Edited December 27, 2016 by SawdustDave Ryland Craze, Jack12477, UpstateNY and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert Posted December 27, 2016 Share #23 Posted December 27, 2016 Great start Dave. Piet, Omega1234, SawdustDave and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtosail Posted December 27, 2016 Share #24 Posted December 27, 2016 Hey Dave, are you going to add a gun deck? If so, you might want to lower the bottoms of the cut outs by 1/8" to allow for the gun deck planking while you are cutting them out. Piet, SawdustDave, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawdustDave Posted December 27, 2016 Author Share #25 Posted December 27, 2016 (edited) Thanks for the tip Tom. For sure, now would be the time to do that. Is adding a gun deck an option to be found within the instructions? I'm actually beginning to wonder what the useful purpose of those two cut-outs in each bulkhead former. Assumed it was for planking, but after going through the instructions, it appears there is no planking of that deck. So, the question becomes, If I do not intend to add planking to that gun deck.... Why should I go to the trouble of cutting out those two areas on each bulkhead former? Anyone? Edited December 27, 2016 by SawdustDave Piet, Elijah, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtosail Posted December 28, 2016 Share #26 Posted December 28, 2016 Yes, the instructions mention adding one if you want and give a few tips on how to do it. I added a part of the gun deck on mine, since I have the open waist.. ME sells cannons to use on the gun deck to replace the dummy gun barrels provided in the kit. If you don't add a gun deck, I can't think of any reason why you need to cut out those holes in the bulkhead. CaptainSteve, Piet, Elijah and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted December 28, 2016 Share #27 Posted December 28, 2016 If you are planning the gundeck, I would think that's what the holes are for.. might be wrong. I did the gundeck on my Constellation and it required a lot of rework of the kit to accomplish. I'm not sure how much rework you'd need to do but it can be done if you want it bad enough. CaptainSteve, Canute, Piet and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawdustDave Posted December 28, 2016 Author Share #28 Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) With all my focus up to this point being on just getting plan sheets scaled and printed etc. etc..... completely missed the gun deck option and how you guys have done yours.Now, after spending more time on your logs, I think I understand what I must do to cut some of the patterns to accommodate the creation of a gun deck between bulkheads "E" through "L". Remarked the eight patterns like the pic below. Looks like I'm in for a real sawdust day. Edited December 28, 2016 by SawdustDave Piet, CaptainSteve, Jack12477 and 9 others 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawdustDave Posted December 28, 2016 Author Share #29 Posted December 28, 2016 More good news (for me).... Very pleased to see that all of her artillery is finished in black..... which allows me to create cannons to scale by turning a master, creating all of the cannons from molds. This was one of my big concerns relating to going with 1:60th scale. Piet, Canute, JesseLee and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtosail Posted December 28, 2016 Share #30 Posted December 28, 2016 One suggestion, Dave. When you cut the beams off (the uppermost cut in your picture above), I cut them at an angle so that the new beam had a place to sit when I put it back in. You will be happy adding a gun deck. And I like that you are going to make new cannons too. Omega1234, Elijah, Piet and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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