Roter Löwe 1597 by Ondras71

[Louie da fly]

Beautiful work on the painting, Ondras. I want to be you when I grow up . . .

[Ondras71]

I appreciate your words Backer and Louie da fly

 

Thus covered the railings of the main deck and stretched from it wales. Railings and rails glued with long pins..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hubac's Historian]

This is just some beautiful work you are doing, here, Ondras.

[Ondras71]

Thank you very much Hubacs Historian. 

 

I continue with the railing of the aft deck ..

 

 

 

 

The edges of the painted strips are fragile, I will have to retouch in one place..

 

 

Rounded railing parts ..

 

 

 

 

I tried the wax with which I will paint the moldings of Wales, if it does not destroy the paint with the varnish and it's great..

 

[Ondras71]

Thanks for the like.

 

On a vertical drill, I drilled holes for the support bars of the railing posts. These guarantee the exact shape..

 

 

 

 

And he completed all the wales at the stern..

 

 

 

 

 

[Ondras71]

I work on the bent parts of the stern railing..

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tkay11]

Well done with the drill! You must have been holding your breath a bit!

 

Tony

[Ondras71]

On 2/1/2021 at 2:45 PM, tkay11 said:

Well done with the drill! You must have been holding your breath a bit!

 

Tony

Thank you Tony 

 

The first part of the railing is finished, the system of sliding the hollow posts on the pins works..

 

 

 

 

 

Reinforced with long pins..

 

 

 

 

Further work, installation of the top mirror plate..

 

 

[Hubac's Historian]

Beautiful, clean work, as always, Ondras.  It is a real pleasure to watch her come together.

[Ondras71]

On 2/6/2021 at 9:02 PM, Hubac's Historian said:

Beautiful, clean work, as always, Ondras.  It is a real pleasure to watch her come together.

Thank you very much Hubacs Historian, I am very pleased with the praise from a person with a sense for detail.

 

I created an upper mirror..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I draw the mooring places of the rigging in a low-quality plan. I used a plan from Ab Hoving's Zeehaen fluite..

 

 

Edited February 12, 2021 by Ondras71

[RdK]

Hi!

 

Great work on the railing! How wide are the rails on the main deck in real? That is something I can never really figure out? 

 

Rgds,

Radek

[Ondras71]

On 2/12/2021 at 5:14 PM, RdK said:

Hi!

 

Great work on the railing! How wide are the rails on the main deck in real? That is something I can never really figure out? 

 

Rgds, Radek

Greetings and thank you Radek.  I won't find out on the plan sheets, everyone shows a different dimension ...⁉️

 

 

 

I made a compromise, 7 mm wide, which is 42 cm in fact, which could be .. 🙄

[Ondras71]

I continue to install the railing posts. Some parts are drilled at an angle by tilting the boat with a stand ..

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I created a sailor figure to measure the equipment..

 

 

 

 

 

[Ondras71]

Thank you for like!

 

So I finished the front deck railing..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At the stern are the finished pillar rails of the poop deck..

 

 

 

 

Edited February 27, 2021 by Ondras71
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[Hubac's Historian]

Clever sanding forms - can’t fail.

[Oliver1973]

Clean and nice work. wow.

 

[Ondras71]

I appreciate your words Hubacs and Oliver

 

Finished railing of the poop deck..

 

 

 

 

Drilled all holes for pins in the side railing..

 

 

 

Can I have a question about Ab Hoving?
I'm looking for information on other ties that are not on the plan. Can I use the inner railing as on other models?

 

 

Or Pin Rail on the inside? What is historically more faithful? Thank you.

 

[Ab Hoving]

If there is one thing sure about the rigging of a ship, than it is that the ropes have to be belayed somewhere. In the case of your model I don't exactly know what the authors of the drawings had in mind, but as far as I am concerned you are free to mount pinrails in the sides anywhere you need them. If I am honest I must say that I have serious doubts about the pins in the railings athwarthships you placed your circle around. They seem very unlikely to me, but pardon me if I say something very rude here. It seems one has to be careful on this forum about saying things which might hold some criticism...

[Ondras71]

On 3/4/2021 at 1:00 PM, Ab Hoving said:

If there is one thing sure about the rigging of a ship, than it is that the ropes have to be belayed somewhere. In the case of your model I don't exactly know what the authors of the drawings had in mind, but as far as I am concerned you are free to mount pinrails in the sides anywhere you need them. If I am honest I must say that I have serious doubts about the pins in the railings athwarthships you placed your circle around. They seem very unlikely to me, but pardon me if I say something very rude here. It seems one has to be careful on this forum about saying things which might hold some criticism...

 

Well-meaning criticism is appropriate, from a person with your experience, Ab is beneficial.
I know from the beginning that the plan of this ship is not good, the authors drew from more sources.
The pins in the side railing of Dutch ships can be seen in the pictures, I found a debate on the Czech forum and there the most detailed picture of a Dutch warship - EENDRACHT from 1655 by van de Velde, he has pins in the railing.

 

Another warship..

 

So the small possibility of placing them on warships was possible !?

 

The Dutch double deck according to the model in the book Der Hollandische Zweidecker von 1660-1670 by Heinrich Winter also has pins in the railing, here this model by Alexander Bielov..

 

 

I build the model as competitive, here the main consideration is the agreement with the plan, every change must be documented. So I'm looking for historical data..

[Baker]

As far as I have found, there are no belaying pins on ships from your period. Not on racks  or in the railing.

 

Van de Velde (Peter) was born in 1654. Suppose he only started painting ships when he was about 20 years old, then we are in 1674.
Perhaps he took ships from this period as an example. 

It may be that this arrangement is correct in the second half of the 17th century (dont now), but certainly not at the end of the 16th century.

 

If you build exactly according to your plan (competition) then this explanation is only informative. Then you just have to follow the plan. 

And you succeed very well in this Ondras.

[Roger Pellett]

Anyone who has ever attempted to untie a knot in a wet rope under load will appreciate the brilliance of the belaying pin.  This simple invention allows the hitch securing the line to be released while the rest of the line remains under tension.  

 

The belaying pin pin also solves the problem of securing the bight of the line.  Tying knots usually requires the end.

 

So, how did seamen secure lines prior to the invention of the belaying pin.  I realize that ancient ships had stag horns for this purpose., but it would seem that space would not permit the dozens of these required to secure the lines leading to the deck for a complicated rig.

 

Thoughts?

 

Roger

[Baker]

15 hours ago, Roger Pellett said:

Thoughts?

Unfortunately not.
I have often asked myself this question, but have not yet found a proper solution.

Because I'm gonna get in trouble with my Pelican build with this.

[Ondras71]

Thank you for your input and thoughts. Building models according to plan or their historical accuracy is a dilemma that every builder must face. Fortunately, nowadays there are already enough quality plans.

 

I waxed the railing, covered the part where there would be other equipment..

 

 

 

 

 

 

There really isn't room for a Pin Rail on the aft deck on this plan..

 

 

Preparation for channels..

 

[Ondras71]

Thank you for like!

 

Channels. I had to measure their width so that the ropes would not rub against the railing, because what is painted in the plan does not agree.

 

 

Channels secured with steel pegs..

 

 

 

 

 

 

So far dry..

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 20, 2021 by Ondras71
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[Ondras71]

 

Thank you for like!

 

Channels glued..

 

 

I created reinforcing knees. System ala marsalv...😇

 

 

 

 

The elbows will be reinforced with 0.5 mm pins. Finally wax..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ondras71]

Channels waxed ..

 

 

 

 

 

Next in line is a balcony..

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Brinkman]

Great build and the colours on the sides are just amazing!

[Ondras71]

Thank you very much Silverman. Thanks for the like! 😇

 

I have been thinking for a long time about finishing the connection of the front stem according to Witsen..

 

 

Replica of Barents' ship..

 

 

So I added it. The cuts were made with a 0.15 mm thick razor saw, and 0.09 mm black paper was placed..

 

 

 

 

Klinkbout will be added after grinding..

 

 

 

And now really a balcony..

 

[Ondras71]

Thanks for the like!

 

Created the basis of the balcony. Knee production combined with the production of knees under the aft deck..

 

 

I was milling my knees. I made a milling machine from a nail. According to the Russian style, which works..

 

 

 

 

The boat went up the keel for the last time. Knees located..

 

 

Before waxing..

 

 

 

 

 

I'm thinking of putting the railing down at the end of the hull, it will be fragile..🤯😲

[Hubac's Historian]

Ondras, you are moving at a fast and furious clip, without any sacrifice in quality.  I love all the detail - particularly the scarfing of the stem - NICE!  Thank you for bringing to my attention this Barent’s ship replica project.  I will look that up - looks fascinating.

 

I’m not sure what to say about the pinrail issue on early 17th century vessels, other than perhaps Vasa is your best guide.  When in doubt, personally, I like to fall back on the Van de Veldes for the clarity of their drawings.